The Autistic Genocide Clock. This is sickening people.

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If you want to see where this is going, look at where it already is. Downs Syndrome. There is currently a genetic test for it and currently obstetricians discuss abortion with women whose fetuses test positive. If you want to see what will happen if tsuch a test becomes available, look a whole lot closer at what is already happening with Downs Syndrome.

I agree that it's sickening, and I am becoming less and less squeamish as far as intellectual honesty goes with considering this to be an actual genocide. It might be different means than other more famous ones, but the end goal is the same, and it is based on the same sort of hate (though in this case a more insidious kind disguised as more well-meaning emotions) for a people who have done nothing to deserve such a disproportionate response. I don't think that ALL autistic or potential autistic fetuses will be aborted, but I think the pressure will be on women, even those who would like to have the babies anyways, to abort because it's the "right thing to do." Even as someone who is firmly pro-choice, I find this a horrible scenario to consider.

The only other thing to consider here, though, is how to MAKE people take care of, and properly take care of for that matter, children that they don't want. I mean, really. Do I want some shallow person who wanted a perfect baby but thinks that autistics, or for that matter anyone who isn't perfectly normal, are too weird to be bothered with to have a kid that they would abuse, neglect or misguidedly seek to "treat" in ways more traumatizing than helpful? Do I want autistic or otherwise different children with loving parents to nonetheless go with their special and sometimes general needs unmet, abandoned in the educational system for lack of resources in their area? Or, alternately, do I want to see many such kids up for adoption in a system where by and large only photogenic, "healthy" white babies get adopted and everyone gets stuck in the foster care system? No. Not really. I think alongside efforts to stop pre-natal screening from becoming a widespread practice (or at least to force pre-natal screens to be used in a more ethical manner) has to be a plan for what the alternative is going to be to help these new additions to the autistic community have it better than most of us did.

But on another note, I hate to be the political correctness police here, but why hasn't cc469's quite blatant sexism gone commented on here as of yet? Was I the only person who read his (I assume) first post saying that women shouldn't have choice over their own bodies, in part because, or so he asserts, they are less neurologically developed (in areas that are completely unrelated to the topic at hand) than men? I despise careless decisions AND eugenics as much as the next person here, but please separate the issues - and do some research about what the large majority of late-term abortions are actually FOR while you're at it. Sexism is hardly appealing and won't help our cause. Besides, the eugenics issue complicates the abortion issue and the abortion issue complicates the eugenics one, and unnecessarily so. Confusing them is unhelpful for us as much as if not more than it is for either side of the more general abortion debate.

Also, no, Alraune144, I do not regret being born as I was. I shouldn't have to earn the privilege to exist as I came out, with adjustments only as I need and please that are on my terms, something which most of the rest of the world seems to view as a right. Such a belief allows every single person who put someone like you or I down in life to win, and I can think of no good reason why intolerance deserves victory. People on the spectrum CAN live happy lives, even as is, but they could be a lot happier. Not through eugenics, but through "normal" society being taught that it's our world too, and that they are obliged to meet us at least part of the way. Our lives might not be conventional, but that doesn't mean that they aren't worthwhile.

They don't just target us in schools and discriminate us when it comes to jobs, they want do deny us to live too... How do they sleep at night?

Kris94, I've always known there has been testing for a variety of medical conditions which, can be tested for at a pre-natal stage.However, this should not been seen as somehow encouraging eugenics in any possible manner as such..My own feeling is, if I was married and my wife considered having kids I'd not be overtly concerned with the innate notion my son or daughter might develop AS like myself, or something similar cause, honestly every single person on this entire planet has some sort of trouble whether it is physical or mental in nature.Even if there is no such variable at that exact moment many things don't always show up at a predicted timeline..After all I developed diabetes at a late stage in my life and there was no genetic marker or such to ever indicate that was going to happen. Therefore, I think testing in itself is not bad just, how people react or utilize the results and all other relevant information included if this makes sense?

I can think of at least four situations that could occur if the fetus tested positive for an Autism test:

1. The oparents do nothing, because they don't believe in treating autistics differently/don't believe in autism etc.

2. The parents prepare for haivng an autistic child, and get Autism-frienly parenting methods ready.

3. The parents decide to have the child, but get their ABA specialist ready on the phone and prepare to 'correct' the child.

4. The parents phone up the abortion clinic and book an appointment.

News flash: most of us are unemployable basket cases, massive emotional and financial burdens for our families.

Just sayin'.

I don't understand why anyone born with any type of autism would want another child to be born with autism, maybe misery loves company for some, personally i'd abort in a second if I found out my child was going to be autistic. Which by family history is very likely to happen...

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Anyone who claims to be able to diagnose autism in a fetus is a quack. Luckily, nobody of whom I am aware is making such a claim.

That there is some sort of autistic holocaust in the offing is every bit as alarmist, unevidenced, and bizarre as the claims of those nuts who insist that the democrats want to put all right wingers in camps, or those nuts who insist that Bush planned 911, or those who insist that the moon landings never happened.

It's mere conspiracy mongering, and damaging to serious autism advocates.

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As long as we're considered "sick" there will be research to find a cure. And if we're deamed "uncureable" they'll move around the problem by killing the foetus before it's a human (or they do it tha lazy way and start with nr 2). And that's just a question of learning how to find them.

I'm against prenatal testing of any kind, and I hope that it all comes to an end. I feel that it should be illegal. I hope that this particular test never comes into existence. I'd never want to hear of spoilt rich mothers, or any mothers in that matter, aborting their unborn children, no matter what disabilities they have. Most parents have children for status, and that makes me sick. Of course, adults like that only want perfect children, who will succeed at everything that they enroll them in. The thing that makes me even more sick, is that most parents would want to abort a disabled baby, because they're still the bullies that they were in school. If they hated their special needs peers in high school, they wouldn't want to raise a special needs child. Those people think that people with disabilities suffer. The only thing that we, and others with disabilities suffer from, are the attitudes the people who develope such genetic tests. I also believe that life begins at conception. I am not sick, and I do not need to be cured. I'm also glad that such a test didn't exist when my mum was pregnant with me. People with disabilities are not sick, and we do not need to be cured, or aborted. Those scientists are a bunch of bullies, and they do not respect life.