bad opinion on temple grandin

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i had also thought Rainbow was just making a joke. It's something I would say to husband

But we all perceive things differently in these formats. Because we have no help from body language (not that many of us would pick THAT up) or tone of voice inflections (ditto) ... it's hard to understand when someone doesn't type "j/k" or "LOL" for me at least to know when someone is joking unless it is something *I* have done before in that context.

which is why I always ask someone to clarify first before I think about launching into an attack.

yes i'm full of opinions and i'm thinking that you don't agree. here is another. defning things with the dictionary, while it might seem logical, is actually one of the silliest ways of defining something that relates to human beings (or really anything). the only definiition that really matters when speaking is general consensus and idea of what the majority thinks that word or idea means. like with savant, people don't think "a person of learning with details knowledge.." blah blah whatever dictionary drab you spouted, they think of autistic savants, RAINMAN style.

i bet you like the dictionary definition cause you think you have savant abilities don't you??? i bet you consider yourself a savant in some way and the general consensus of how that word is defined probably doesn't fit you. so you go with the dictioinary version....probably from the dictionary which had the definition that suits you best.

this is a small trick that pseudo-intellectuals often use to make build themselves up in their own minds and sometimes in the minds of others.

i hope you don't take any of that as offense, but that's how it seems.

want proof???? do and internet search on the word savant, that will show you what people are thinking about when the word comes up. and your websters definition, while convenient for you, isn't even CLOSE.

oh and before you say i'm full of it, this definition by majority is NOT my theory it is something they teach in lit at uni. of which i studied extensively. i'm not overly eloquent, but i know about words.

*sigh* You don't "believe" that aspies can be savants, yet by using the same "logic" that you insist upon I can simply point you to the numerous accounts and popular stories of autistic savants being proof to the contrary, seeing as AS is a part of the autistic spectrum. A dictionary, by its own definition, is the collection of meanings based on etymology, word usage and popular consensus. Despite your argument to the contrary, the definition as provided by a dictionary is going to provide a more universal definition than one provided through your own experience. You are confusing what is popular or in 'social consciousness' with semantics and meaning, as well as the difference between definition and application. As for your knowledge and experience, I will say that I can agree that you certainly know a lot about your opinion.

While I don't agree that the diagnosis of historical figures has any benefit or merit beyond soothing the insecurities of some individuals, I also don't agree with dismissing her efforts and inspirations on that basis either. Grandin has done more positive than negative for those on the spectrum, and she is entitled to her opinion on those figures' diagnostic status just as I am entitled to disagree.

No, I do not consider myself a savant, in any definition of the word. I have my areas of expertise, like anyone, but not to any astounding degree - if anything, a jack-of-all-trades over a master of any one. I advise against pursuing the avenue of personal attacks; before you continue, I would suggest you take a moment to review the site rules you agreed to when signing up for your account.


M.

Autistic Savants are not limited to low I.Q.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.12/genius_pr.html

Examples

http://autism.wikia.com/wiki/Matt_Savage
http://autism.wikia.com/wiki/Henriett_Seth_F.
http://autism.wikia.com/wiki/Stephen_Wiltshire
http://autism.wikia.com/wiki/Temple_Grandin
http://autism.wikia.com/wiki/Gottfried_Mind

i take the definition from the dictionary all the time. It's why it's there. If I"m having a casual conversation with someone, I might go as far as to the urban dictionary online to get any connotative meanings I may be missing out on.

And just because other people use the word "savant" to describe themselves doesn't mean they are truly savant (Don't mean they aren't either... just many people who say they are savant are not truly savant but like a regular NT with a gift.)

hehe attack!! you are kidding yes?
i entered into discussion with you. you love dictionary definitions, here ya go:

personal:

1. of, pertaining to, or coming as from a particular person; individual; private: a personal opinion.
2. relating to, directed to, or intended for a particular person: a personal favor; one's personal life; a letter marked “Personal.”
3. intended for use by one person: a personal car.
4. referring or directed to a particular person in a disparaging or offensive sense or manner, usually involving character, behavior, appearance, etc.: personal remarks.
5. making personal remarks or attacks: to become personal in a dispute.
6. done, carried out, held, etc., in person: a personal interview.
7. pertaining to or characteristic of a person or self-conscious being: That is my personal belief.
8. of the nature of an individual rational being.
9. pertaining to the body, clothing, or appearance: personal cleanliness.
10. provided for one's discretionary use: Employees are allowed 15 vacation days and two personal days.
11. Grammar.
a. noting person: In Latin portō “I carry,” -ō is a personal ending.
b. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of the personal pronoun.
12. Law. of or pertaining to personal property: personal interests.

attack:

1. to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon; begin fighting with: He attacked him with his bare hands.
2. to begin hostilities against; start an offensive against: to attack the enemy.
3. to blame or abuse violently or bitterly.
4. to direct unfavorable criticism against; criticize severely; argue with strongly: He attacked his opponent's statement.
5. to try to destroy, esp. with verbal abuse: to attack the mayor's reputation.
6. to set about (a task) or go to work on (a thing) vigorously: to attack housecleaning; to attack the hamburger hungrily.
7. (of disease, destructive agencies, etc.) to begin to affect.

now if i was attacking anything it is the definition of savant that you said. i don't see how that affects you personally. if i mentioned you in my posts it is because it is you that i am speaking to.

by the way thanks everyone else for the real responses. cool to know what some of you felt on the actuall subject.

like i said in my into thread in the other forum. i don't know if i'll stick around now i have this question answered. unless people keep talking about it for some reason. and i don't really like the 'in your face' thing of some members. bit too highschool for me.

I am glad you got your question answered, tempertrap. I hope you enjoy your time on WrongPlanet.net. Of course, you have read the rules of this site, as that is the requirement for membership.

Conduct
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The following activities are unacceptable on WrongPlanet:

*. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

*. Other inappropriate content and behavior prohibited on Wrong Planet:
behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members;
. . . anything else that purposely causes conflict with other members.

I hope that is not too 'in your face' and 'high school' for you.

Merle

no it wasn't, and thankyou for clarifying that i have not broken any rules by directly citing those guidelines. i see it is ok to attack an opinion, i guess i'll have to watch out for people who try to pretend that they ARE their opinion and can't make that simple separation.

excellent! just remember to not provoke or belittle other members; or anything else that purposely causes conflict with other members and you will be all right!

have fun storming the castle!

if you don't have a video game addiction, then there is no attack. You simply tell me you don't and that I am mistaken. Does the word addiction make it an attack?

Merle

So, following this line of reasoning, if you say "stupid" to a person and that person isn't actually stupid there is no attack, right ?

Anyway, no, it was not the word, but the tone.

I think, and I might be wrong, that she is thinking about how some Autistics do not have "filters" for thoughts and sensory information so they are bombarded with multiple images all the time. This happens to me when I am extremely stressed and I feel that it might be correct because things I have not thought of in years intrude into my consciousness in multiple waves and flashes and I am not able to process anything. I freeze. I could not stand to be like this all the time.

The same way I know. I have read and heard much about what a subconscious is supposed to be, and feel like, and none of it corresponds to my way of thinking. I have no subconscious.