Autism speaks and asperger's

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Yeah, it's just the lower functioning folk that need to be put down to save humanity from their..., whatever people find so disturbing about them that they desire to put them down.

Daniel what the-hell-exactly do they find so disturbing?

Is there list somewhere of these undesirable traits we possess that we can have look at. Maybe it's got a neat tick box. ( The idea of which we probably invented.)

" No one gets left behind" - ?

No idea.

But then, I have no idea why they put down people with Down's syndrome either.

Because they can be identified.

Abortion opened a lot of doors, because they were too young, because of low income, because they just bought a car, and it does have it's lets reduce the population factors.

It was never sold as a plan, but as a right. More productive workers, lower social cost, someone had a plan.

America can spend more on it's war machine because it does not have a national plan for health, education, child support, yet will invade Iraq and tell them they should aspire to these Western Goals.

35,000,000 Americans were replaced with 35,000,000 illegal aliens.

The social problem runs deep, the army is being trained as a police force.

People talk about instutional costs, yet we have more people in prison than anyone ever has.

We spend more on prisons than on education, and that does not consider the police, courts, lawers, that are also part of the cost.

We spend 50% more than Europe on health care, yet a third get none.

Autism Speaks did raise autism awareness, and backlash. The books of Tony Attwood, Temple Grandin would not have sold as well without it, nor would Alex have started WP.

Autism Speaks is now outgunned, but they still have the fund raising machine, so they will have to support the backlash they caused.

In the next phase, I would have never discovered who I was, except for finding WP. There are millions like me, most have not found out. Autism Speaks staked out LFA, 1 in 10,000, the market is shifting to Aspergers, other ASD, which is 1 in 100. Alex hit the mark, Tony writes about it, and Temple says, a Low Functioning Doctorate, which is a higher Degree than anyone at Autism Speaks.

The field has changed, the center has moved, and science shows there is nothing to do about us, except listen to us.

Tony was the first to say, my Degree taught me little, but talking with autistic people I learned a lot. Now I hear many people on WP say, Speach, Physical, Social, and even the new and trained Therpists are doing some good work.

The situation is mostly educational, first inform people what autism is, and I mean the autistic. In that WP is the best. It is also educating the field, and the students who want to go into the field. This is much better than a textbook written ten years ago, taught by someone who got their degree twenty years before that.

What the scientific work funded by Autism Speaks has shown is their are a lot of people like that in our Lab, University, Technology, and it is as new to them as it was to me. Autism Speaks gave money to Aspies to study Aspies. It was not their intent, but most human thoughts are wrong.

Asperger was the first to show that the trait we call autism is also found in the highest performing people, that it carries more weight than education, that it has pure talents that cannot be taught, and it is connected to a lot more than technology.

Gifted, high IQ, seem related to autism, as does invention. No one wants to get rid of this set.

The Department of Defense has been collecting a autism DNA data base. They do not want to draft us, or kill us, they just want the best intelligence, including the out of the box thinking we are so good at. If there is another way to look at a problem, they want to know, and we do have other ways.

Our current economy, is looking for the next bubble, and the last solid one that lasted was computers, Geeks at play. Just as companies have discovered that people are the greatest asset, the world needs creative thinkers just to stay afloat.

Then there is a shift going on, more ASDs, like it or not, it is the wave of the future, and special ed and drugs are not working. Their treatment is making enemies of the people they need.

So it is not just Autism Speaks, it is Psychology, Education, Government, Business, who have all been on the wrong side.

When the States joined most of their Attorney Generals in an anti trust action on Microsoft, they were busted for using illegal copies of Windows at Town, County, State, levels, in Education, and in most Business. The anti trust action was dropped. Power is shifting.

They have no idea where this is going, only that the people who might do not like or trust them.

There is a much larger backlash coming.

Inventor:


So what happens to us when we do " branch off " and they become aware of the potential implications for them as a subtype?

There can be no change. Inventors I know are a sub set of autism, and all effort to teaching the creative thinking of invention has failed. New products are the economy, most have a short life.

The web culture is here and growing, and eye contact, body language, now has to be typed. E-commerce is a growth sector, and logical tech literate types do better.

The new business, computers, software, Google, the action is in our court.

The Social Matrix has brought the Dow back to 1999 levels, with a 30% decline in the dollar, so a 30% loss for the last decade. Now the rising debt, like we will suddenly start growing again, when the losses are still coming in.

We are not in several wars for freedom, it is to keep the economy running, Bush Bucks was the strangest, lets just give people money to spend. Then it was Obama Bucks, but that did not work, nor did cash for clunkers, $8,000 credits for home buyers, and extending unemployment.

Taxes are down across the board and dropping, debt is growing, and government is giving the same speeches as Enron and Worldcom, the economy is doing great, we just need to give it time. Enron and Worldcom got life for their stories.

Twice in the last hundred years a Congress like ours has been replaced, WWI, WWII, the old guys were turned out and replaced by young technocrats of the time.

I have noticed that people think I am strange, really! But when they want to know the facts of something, they ask me, and when disaster strikes, they look to me to do something. I think we get a hard time because we remind them of teachers, bosses, but without the power over them, when things fail they change, and the fact that they do see us as superior in some things comes out.

Autism Speaks and Psychology has been trying to do something about the poor ret*ds, but that does not work when it is Broader Autism Phenotype, 10% of the population, all who group rather close on the Myers Briggs, and would have been chosen for detail and intelligent work that took learning during the WWII effort, when the test were used to place war workers.

This same group is Geeks and Nerds, who have produced the real economic gains of the last few decades. Group A, built houses and drove up the price, Group B, built computers and drove down the price. Starting with nothing the computer era made millions of millionairs, starting with everything, General Motors, Investment banking, and most banks, went bankrupt. Seeing the trend, government joined them.

This is not lost on the general population. Bill Gates started an industry and became the world's richest man, lots of others became rich, and none of them went into politics.

The war on crime was for the benefit of lawyers, police, judges and jailers, and jail builders, a bubble based on creating new crimes.

Government invented enemies that only they could defend us from, at great expense spent on war industries, and all of them were behind home mortgages, personal debt, student loans, and running up the national debt. Most people thought that some really smart people were doing the best they could for everyone, then discovered they had been Enroned, Worldcomed, Madoffed, and FEMAed.

While government does have powers, no one in Congress can do anything against, banks, oil, home builders, because that is where the money comes from. Oil stops atomic power, airlines stop high speed trains, banks are oppressed by regulation, and they all get their way, till the bubble pops.

For most, their net worth in in their house and the market, both down 30%, on top of the 30% longer term loss, of the money it took a lifetime to save. Now taxes have to go up, and jobs are still vanishing at 1,000 a day.

It is not just a loss of faith in politics, it is the whole system.

Banks got their debt rated, sold it, and bought insurance against something they no longer owned. Now if you buy a million in bonds, the insurance against default is small. But how is it that billions were insured by people who did not own them, that packaged and sold what they knew was bad, what they knew would fail, and then bought insurance? That was AIG, and the government stepped in, and paid off 100% with the people's money. We have Courts to deal with bankrupt insurers, regulators that are to keep them from making bets they can't cover, but that was ignored.

In a second wave, the Federal Reserve then bought the worthless bonds after the insurance was paid, for full face value. They got the money from the people's bank accounts.

Now Citi is sueing JP Morgan for not paying off on $245 million of CDS, and Morgan's defense, you knew it was bad when you wrote it, sold it, and insured it, you caused the bonds to fail, hence, we are not paying. Two, since you do not own the property, the bond, you have no right to insure it.

We The People had no such protection, were not involved, and got hit with three trillion of losses.

Across the board we lost 30% of net worth, and got stuck with a growing national debt.

There is something about this that seems not right.

Government and the companies who own them stand clearly on one side, the people the other.

Construction, mortgages, banking, are not coming back, they are in freefall. the tax base is dropping, the market for US Bonds has dried up, even with the Federal Reserve doing most of the buying.

The wrath of the people will not fall on Aspies. They are who will be turned to, new ideas, new products, and it is there, it is just that the creative has been shut out. We have the slowest Broadband in the developed world. Bill Gates world broadband project was shot down, by the phone company.

What to do in a post industrial world in an information age?

Half of the power generated is lost due to the means of transmission, that can be fixed, and build high speed trains along the same routes, with a few new cities, and some broad places for the buffalo to roam.

So who is going to sell a vision of what America could look like?

Problem one is the War Babies, 45,000,000 voters. Most have had their retirement plans set back, way back.

Since everyone who does get old needs more of some services and less of others, and the War Babies are blocking younger people out of the labor market, they should retire early. Some new age bracket cities would convince them to take a buy out, and it would create some construction, healthcare, and services economy.

Our long term problem is young people just are not making enough money. Jobs are not fun, but if you are going to spend your life at it it should have room to rise. Job satisfaction has more factors than money. We have a very well educated group coming up who never got "real" jobs.

Most creative work is done by thirty, we are wasting talent, and it is time to send the War Babies to the Old Stoners Home.

Prolonging childhood is good, less child labor, more education, but at some point it does have to turn to keeping the world running, making a place for the next group. We delayed that development before the crash, and with War Babies looking to work till they are 85, they are in the way.

It is not just their poor taste in music, coke addiction, mindless greed and conspicious consumption, they are old, pre computer era! If we are going to ride this coming wave, let it be with people who had computers in First Grade, followed the development of video games, digital animation, for there lies the future.

Education needs to change, going in debt for a degree does not work, it should come in several ways, one being grade based, we should educate very cheaply as far as they can go. The other is in a web based version of education, a lifetime program of development. The current system is a huge tax on education, just when we need it the most.

Since there is no way to restore home values, or investments, and with stagnent to declining wages, it has to be made cheaper to retire, and cheaper to become educated.

The value of everything, homes, commercial, banks, and the dollar may just go Poof! We still have the basic problem, raise and educate children, provide services, take care of the old.

I have been wondering, what traits caused Aspies to survive, for they have always been around. I think they are a failsafe, when nothing works, someone has to have a new idea. That is our herd value.

You will also notice I did not run for office, or form a company to bring change, I just gave it my best thoughts. As problem solvers we are somewhat useless when others see no problem,

I may have been excluded, but my thinking includes all.

Not to slander them, but I find Neurotypicals understandable as a group. They may not be as detail focused as we are, but their overall goals are the same. Our detail used to reach common goals, a working system.

Like Autism Speaks confronted with Wrong Planet, they had to accept and adapt. 33,000 is 1% of ASDs, 1/10% of Broader Autism Phenotype. We have a growing movement.

As our voice is based on facts, details, with the right marketing, we can change the world, and have them run it for us.

Every tribe needs visionaries.

Inventor, you wouldn't believe who I sometimes do head-organizing , pattern spotting and some in- a-flash-problem solve -see the whole thing all at once-visionary stuff for, indirectly. I don't get paid for it, because its for a decent cause, but I feel like a dog being played a game with a ball sometimes. We need to ask for what we are worth,not just in terms of money, but how about , full and unconditional membership of the human race, -you know , even once in a while.


I'm still not decided on this evolutionary direction thing yet.

I would rather have the money. It is their, we value you.

There are only a few methods of tribal leadership. warriors, taxing kings, and visionarys.

Where the first two take power by force, the third takes power through failure of the first two.

The great warriors of old killed each other off, and all kings according to Ibn Khaldun have over taxed the people, debased the money, till what was left moved on in search of freedom. "Money and talent will move toward freedom."

They do turn to us for answers, but then want to steal the gift. They also look for a single patch to a system in need of overhaul.

What works for us is the tribe around the new idea. Bill Gates and crew in Arizona, No one knew what they were working on, including themselves, and they had to invent language to define concepts.

Had they been a development group at IBM, most conversation would have been about shaving, haircuts, business attire, and we would still be running punch cards. Imagine the Desktop!

As it happened, the new tech formed machines around it.

The vision of the future cannot be intergrated into the past. When all of the meat eaters have killed everything, and left the least productive behind, those are the ones who will discover that the Cattail roots are good food, and there are tons.

Each new step does come in isolation, would be blocked by the current model, but then spreads everywhere quickly.

In person, I am strange. On the web, I am. All of my problems come from face to face or by phone. Email is a full reverse. Web marketing, I am one of the better ones.

So how is it that I am fully human by web, and not at all in person?

I cannot change the perceptions of the mass, but I can deal in an indirect manner.

By test, we do have the same logic circuts, but they have a perceptional level that blocks that in person. I think it is in their social status, they try to get over on everyone they can. I am bigger, I can beat you up, so you must do what I say. Since they always put this first, it does get in the way.

As far as evolution, I follow the Multi Regional Model. Humans mixed and matched with older lines, and there are now 22 Haplogroups out of Africa. Autistic is one. Recent tests show that East Asians process math in the visual part of the brain, where Europeans use the verbal part. The European self center, in Asia is my mother, my family, my line and people.

While our autistic traits are well documented, how Scociopath and Psychopath play out through the larger culture are unexplored. They too have a Broader Phenotype. I have noticed they are sickly sweet, to some, and when they leave, a monster emerges. Where they think they may get over on the likes of us, they know no boundries, except the ones I enforce.

The expressed desire to dominate has another side, they can be made to obey, and they know it. They are like a horse with a new person, they are going to see what they can get away with. With a horse I ride them in a tight circle till they tire of the game. Once limits are imposed, I do not have that horse problem again.

We do not meet as equals, someone is going to ride, someone is going to be ridden, and sorting that out, then we can move on together. I have as many people tricks as horse tricks.

All of martial arts is ten cheap tricks that work once, do you think you know my ten?

We do assert dominance. Check, What code do you write in, in Computers, Math, Science. No one is going to challenge that knowledge dominance.

Where we gather as a sub species, Geeks, we do dominate a field.

The Dotcom bubble was MBAs moving in on the money, lots was lost, but the Geek Tech kept on moving along. For all the MBA money and power no one noticed how much music could be stored on a laptop hard drive that could be pocket size.

They may be rude and annoying in person, but they are great customers, who will pay retail, for status.

I am launching Counter Earth, it is based on a Secret Cult, this cult is so secret, no one knows what it is about. It is like the Sims, but with real dirt, broadband Wifi, and an economy based on thought.

The pattern of development in isolation can be a model of a village. We eat, sleep, and do laundry. After that, it is all thought based.

I like thought, it is nothing, that can become a solid in this reality. It is cheap and easy to produce, there is room for lots of versions, it comes, grows, develops, and most of the economy is based on selling it.

One cannot join the Secret Cult of Thought Harvesters, you have to be born for it.

I literally cannot grasp how ANYONE on this site can be pro Autism Speaks in any way whatsoever. Are you kidding me?

my thoughts exactly! it's neurodiveristy that has enabled things to form our civilisation. if it weren't for "genetic defects" we would never have evolved from the primordial sludge billions of years ago. i'm not actually religious but in a way, i think it's a bit like god's using trial and error and taking advantage of the unexpected findings to make nature progress into what it is today.

not that i'm advocating eugenics in any way (what i'm about to say might sound a bit extreme, apologies in advance), but considering the "ne'er-do-well" delinquants that many have to put up with in life, why are autism/asperger/adhd "sufferers the first point of call for culling from society?

@Inventor

this is really interesting that you pointed the above info out! whereas a lot of the time i feel useless at many things, i have noticed that people really do need my help (usually technical stuff - well... maybe not surprising - i've certainly never been consulted on about social issues). i have to say, i can't stand the responsibility of helping people sometimes. it's difficult when i cock-up on "simple" tasks and they "can't possibly understand why i would find that so hard".

well, i think the last thing i mentioned confirms that an adequate mediator needs to be set up between NTs and ASs. AND: that people accept the condition does actually exist so they can get the most out of us (let them "help us to help them" and vice-versa)

I feel that Autism Speaks is a hate organization which holds warped views about autism.

Abortion is NOT the future and Autism is a positive thing that should not be cured.

Do you have a card with that on? Autism Speaks does a lot of great things for people with AS, even if it does them accidentally. The Neurodiversity movement helpfully sends us backwards in the public eye.

I have mixed feelings about Autism Speaks. After reading up on some of the controversial advocacy, I think that they do a lot to help out families affected by autism.

As for aborting fetuses affected by autism... yeah. I'd have to see this one before I believe it.

Autism Speaks is a hate organization which holds propaganda about the autistic spectrum. The neurodiversity movement sends us forwards in the public eye because it presents the truth about autistics and what we are capable of to the public. Autism Speaks spreads false propaganda to the masses that the autistic spectrum is some sort of demon and that there is a "normal person" behind the demon autism.

Autism Speaks as far as I know hasn't done anything good for the autistic community and is focused on genocidal abortion of all people on the autistic spectrum.

This is a direct quote from them

"We are dedicated to funding global biomedical research into the causes, prevention, treatments, and cure for autism; to raising public awareness about autism and its effects on individuals, families, and society; and to bringing hope to all who deal with the hardships of this disorder."

Also "At Autism Speaks, our goal is to change the future for all who struggle with autism spectrum disorders."

That means they want to abort all fetuses on the autism spectrum,their so called PREVENTION.
The masses buy what Autism Speaks says that propagates autistics as stupid,naive and unable to think or feel empathy and are terrorized by a demon.





Thank you parents that are not ignorant enough to follow this genocidal organization.

My source for quotes is here
Autism Speaks Quote