Autism Speaks Abortion

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What do you mean by autism related abortion?

Abortions for women with autism? Abortion of unborn babies with autistic parents of either gender?

Or abortion of babies with autism? Since unborn children can't currently be diagnosed with autism, it's not possible to be directly involved in autism related abortion. Research related to future possibilities, okay. But to be directly involved in abortion, those abortions have to be happening, now, in the present.

Are you talking about the research related to the possibility of abortion?

I am speaking of any individual or group of individuals advocating with concern to selective abortion issues. The such kind of advocates have been known to attempt to evade fundamental liberties of expression of said hardships related to the disability of autism in creative expressions. There is a conflict of interest in which such individuals are attempting to re-define autism for reasons of abortion politics. It is not fair to go up against advocacy for individuals affected by autism more severely then otherwise very high functioning individuals that are included. Such as autism and isolation concerns. I believe creative expressions as what pride has gone up against are the needed expressions to derive compassionate resolve in which they at times simply call pity and bigotry. For some or many it could be the difference between inclusion and exclusion whereas very high functioning individuals are self-included with greater ease. I believe they have conducted a severe social injustice and have been evading human rights potentials.

Why did someone revive this thread? It's six months old.

I'm still extremely pro-choice, though. Ultimately, it shouldn't be anyone else's decision but the woman's. She's the one who has to carry the baby and give birth to it, not you.

Duh. But then why are women and others being called bigots and Nazi's?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

You know it's more then just a simple word being used people actually believe other people are Nazi's or akin to it.

Read into this what you will

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwRwY9htgis[/youtube]

Ok grasshopper.

I am completely against abortion, even under the harshest circumstances. Abortion is murder; it doesn't matter what you call it, it doesn't matter how you think of it. Turning a blind eye to or euphemizing this major and way-too-common type of human rights abuse just won't work. An attitude (not people) I hate even more than being pro-abortion is turning a blind eye to the issue altogether. Unfortunately, this is how most people in our society are. If people would at least open their minds to the issue instead of ignoring it, we would begin to see some progress in our society, but if things keep going the way they are now, nothing will ever even come close to getting solved.



One thing I hate is the term "pro-choice". First of all, it's very ambiguous, and secondly, does the unborn baby get a choice of whether he/she wants to be killed? I am not at all against women's rights, which is probably the most commonly-used excuse for justifying abortion. On the contrary, part of why I'm pro-life (and specifically anti-abortion) is because I believe in women's rights. Even though I'm not a woman and will therefore never be pregnant, I have a lot of sympathy for women because I know that pregnancy is hard, tiresome, and painful, both physically and emotionally. Unfortunately, humans evolved so that it would always be women who gave birth, which I think is very sexist on nature's behalf. However, while a woman might feel very uncomfortable being pregnant and giving birth, she most likely will not die from it. The baby, however, will certainly die if he/she is aborted, and even unborn babies can feel pain. Probably more than half of the babies that get aborted are women, because boys are honoured in most societies much more than girls, and people might therefore decide to get an abortion if they find out that their unborn child is a girl. This is a serious problem, especially in China, where there is a terrible one-child policy and most people want to make sure that their one child is a boy. In modern-day China, young men are finding it very hard to find women of their age to date or marry because most of those women were killed before they were even born.



It is also common for people to decide to have an abortion if they know that their baby will turn out to have a physical or mental disability. Having Asperger's syndrome, I am rather sensitive to this fact because it means that I could have been aborted if my parents knew before I was born that I had autism (knowing my parents, especially my dad, they would never have an abortion, though). This is becoming more and more common as pre-natal screenings become more and more advanced.



Though a classic argument for abortion is that it gives women a choice of what they want to do with "their own body" (though while they're pregnant, their body completely affects that of the baby), women are often forced or severely pressured into an abortion by their boyfriends/husbands, friends, family members, or even strangers such as abortionists. This may be because the women's partner doesn't want to have to raise a child, or because the women's family is disgraced that their daughter, sister, etc. is ashamed that she got pregnant. This is especially common in teen pregnancies.



I am not against family planning or contraceptives, provided that people know that if they engage in sexual intercourse, they may have to face the reality of having to look after a child, at least during pregnancy. This is due to the fact that no contraceptives are perfect, no matter how effective they claim to be. Though it is a terrible thing when women get raped, aborting the baby that was conceived due to the rape isn't going to solve any problems. After all, it's not the baby's fault that the woman got raped. In fact, bringing a new human being into the world that can be loved and cared for can be a positive result of a terrible thing. Although it's best if a child is raised by his/her biological parents, the baby can be put up for adoption if the parents are for some reason incapable of looking after the child. There are many couples in this world who are infertile and are looking to adopt, and this would be an extremely kind and loving thing to do.



Part of the unfairness of abortion isn't just abortion itself, but the laws that circle around it. In a nation that prides itself on democracy and freedom of speech, freedom of speech is often abused, even by the governments that promote democracy. For example, people are not allowed to protest, no matter how peacefully, within a certain distance of an abortion clinic. I heard a story of this one woman who spends a large portion of her life in jail simply because she's speaking out against abortion, which is a terrible crime to humanity. She is a petite woman in her 50s who stands peacefully outside an abortion clinic, holding an anti-abortion sign while doing absolutely nothing else except praying the rosary. Almost every time she does this, the police come and throw (yes, I mean throw!) her into their cab and take her off to jail. She has even spent several Christmases in jail due to this. Even though this has happened to her so many times, she continues to defy the law in this manner just to speak out against human rights abuse.



The police are more likely to arrest someone for protesting outside an abortion clinic than they are for many other, more serious crimes, and you know why that is? It's because protesting against abortion could potentially stop many people from making money. You see, abortionists get paid for every abortion they perform, and if people begin to realize that abortion is wrong and stop having abortions, the so-called doctors will be out of a job. So moneymaking is more important in the eyes of the law than the right for human beings to live. And they have the nerve to promote freedom and democracy! Wow, you have no idea how much that angers me!



I find it very ironic the way the belief in any human rights is considered liberal, except for the rights of the unborn, which are considered conservative. I am a strong supporter of rights of the unborn, and I consider myself to be a very liberal person. I hate the way that even though liberal politicians tend to have views and values that I agree with, most of them support abortion. This means that the only tendency of "conservative" politics that I like is the only "liberal" tendency that I hate. This means I'm going to have some trouble voting once I'm old enough.



Also, I hate the way that it seems like if you believe in LGBT rights such as same-sex marriage, you must also support abortion, but if you're against abortion, you must be against LGBT rights as well and think that LGBT people are a sin by definition. I, on the other hand, support both LGBT rights (same-sex marriages, etc.) and the rights of the unborn, and I would like to know that there's at least one other person on this planet who supports both these causes.



A major problem with the abortion issue is that the media (who try to focus on it as little as possible) disillusion people by giving the impression that supporting abortion is supporting women's rights, when it is, in fact, quite the opposite. People should realize that abortion hurts both unborn babies and pregnant women, both physically and emotionally. Therefore, abortion is a terrible crime against humanity under any circumstances.



P.S. I know this "article" is very biased, as all articles and essays are, but I hope people will read it and give it some serious thought anyway. I know since there's no possibility of me ever being pregnant, it's easy for me to say that women shouldn't get abortions, but there are actually tons of pro-life women in the world. I even know teenage girls who are pro-life, and they're the type of people most likely to get or want to get an abortion if they get pregnant.

It would seem they can find no direct cause for autism, and chances are environmental factors contribute as well......so how are they going to abort autistic fetus's specifically? That being said I do not oppose abortion when used correctly meaning the mother was raped, it was an accidental pregancy and cannot go through with it, or their life is in danger and of course only during early pregnancy not 9 months in for instance.

I know there are abortions being done for specific causes of autism that can be identified prenatally, such as Fragile X Syndrome, RSH Syndrome, 22q13 deletion, etc. Currently, very few autistics have an identifiable syndrome causing their condition, but as we find out more causes of autism that number will grow.

That is assuming everyone is going to abort for such reasons there are some people who would not even consider it.....They could maybe even regulate that, like have people have to provide a valid reason for getting an abortion rather then no questions asked for instance. But yeah the fact that Autsim is a mental thing means its there would not be an identifiable syndrome causing the condition. Its not like brain damage or physical brain issues that can be seen.

Regarding eugenics: there's still a street named for Charles Fremont Dight in Minneapolis.

Some perspective:

Poles were accused of every possible derangement. On the other hand, Polish cavalry broke the second Turkish siege of Vienna; Polish cryptoanalysis first cracked Enigma; and in a bit of sweet revenge, expatriate Polish pilots had the best kill-ratios of any RAF units in the Battle of Britain.

While Heisenberg miscalculated critical mass, Oppenheimer & Co. - yes, a bunch of Jews - got it right.

While we're at it, the man often described as the father of computer science, Alan Turing, who continued to blow gaping holes in German and Japanese ciphers at Bletchley Park, was gay.

It's rare that people wage war on the weak; Mother Nature is really quite good at it. Failed states sometimes do it out of spite.

The rate of diagnosis of AS makes me wonder at times whether we'd care to refute selective pressure along the way.

If the issue is heredity, I'll eagerly add my family history to the evidence. The sides of my family that fit current (unprecedented) cultural norms most closely were by-far the least effective. The individualistic sides have left a notable and constructive mark on the world that will almost certainly outlive all of them. This has been the consistent pattern for at least four generations, by the way.

Wouldn't it be great if Wikileaks did publish some dirt on Autism Speaks? I mean, we already know from public documents that they spend more on massive salaries than services to help autistic people and their families, so imagine what goes on behind the scenes? I'd love for something really bad to come out, get all over the news, give us the opportunity to speak. Bad publicity will lose them corporate sponsors and support from individuals, and it'd end up killing Autism Speaks.

Adversity of all kinds, breeds the kind of do or die attitude, necessary for survival that is common in all of the animal kindgom. Reading the personal history of Presidents of the United States, many of them had problems that most people would consider diasabling both mental and physical.

Neuter and feed a cat all the cat wants to eat and the cat lives most of it's life in peaceful slumber. Whereas a feral cat lives a life of constant movement and awareness, obviously more intelligent, having to use wit on a moment to moment basis for survival rather than being served by a master.

It's no different for humans; not much changes, when low levels of adaptation are required for survival, some can end up like the neutered well fed cat.

After somewhat of a lull in the requirements of adaptation in the last century, the requirements are accelerating at an increasing rate now. Not an easy place for a domesticated nature.

If one is concerned about a prenatal test, it's a good thing Autism Speaks provided the funding for the recent research with twins that suggests that environment plays a bigger role than genetics in the whether or not someone develops symptoms of Autism that warrant a diagnosis.

It's only a win-win situation if the more debilitating symptoms of Autism could be avoided if the environmental factors that cause them can be determined and avoided. Imagine the number of accomplishments in the world that could be made if all those individuals with a disabling form of it, were able to meet their potential, without the more debilitating symptoms.

If that day comes, we can thank Autism Speaks and those that support them for understanding that research is an important component in the potential for a better life for Autistic people.

Now thanks to this research funded by Autism Speaks we are coming to understand the acutal debilitating symptoms of Autism may be influenced more by environment than genetics.

This in itself suggests that genetics by itself is not a reliable indicator as to whether or not somone develops the debilitating symptoms of Autism. In this case, a prenatal genetic test for Autism, would be of no use in accurately determining whether or not someone actually develops the debilitating symptoms of Autism.

If the funding for research that the Autism Speaks organization provides can lead to eventual decreases in the debilitating symptoms of Autism, because we come to a better understanding in how to avoid the environmental factors that cause the disabling symptoms, the people that earn the salaries to effectively run the organization to do what it takes to get the funding for the research, are worth every penny they are paid.