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But that is not all you said.
"w*k, jargon, and rehashed queer/anti-racist/feminist theory,"
And that, to me, is highly offensive and judgmental terminology.
Look, I don't agree with the OP either. But I don't find it productive to resort to that kind of speech, and would simply rather not participate in any discussion that sinks to that level. It's unnecessary, proves nothing, and doesn't contribute intelligently. It's nothing more than grade school name calling.
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I'm not likely to be around much longer. As before when I first signed up here years ago, I'm finding that after a long hiatus, and after only a few days back on here, I'm spending way too much time here again already. So I'm requesting my account be locked, banned or whatever. It's just time. Until then, well, I dunno...
But that is not all you said.
"w*k, jargon, and rehashed queer/anti-racist/feminist theory,"
And that, to me, is highly offensive and judgmental terminology.
Look, I don't agree with the OP either. But I don't find it productive to resort to that kind of speech, and would simply rather not participate in any discussion that sinks to that level. It's unnecessary, proves nothing, and doesn't contribute intelligently. It's nothing more than grade school name calling.
Okay, you got me there.
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If the paint was drying and the conversation was boring I needed to bring it to life again.
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People here are a waste of time
you disagree with them and they call you mentally ill
no chance of a real conversation
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Last edited by neoFoucault on 27 Jan 2011, 11:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Oho, so apparently since I don't agree with you, I'm brainwashed. That's not really a good argument.
Also, authoritarianism will always exist in some form.
While mental illness is sometimes used to f**k people over, it does exist. Look at brain scans.
Also, what about transgender people?
Okay, you got me there.
I was using 'ret*d' in the clinical sense, not in the slang sense. Also, I was asking you if you have spent any time around mentally challenged/severely autistic people because your ideas only really work for high-functioning people.
1. You think mental illness doesn't exist and is made up to oppress people. You're actually shocked that not everybody agrees with you?
2. I think this might be the wrong place for you. Have you tried Aspies for Freedom?
3. There's an Autistic Liberation Front on Second Life.
4. I struggled with depression for most of my adolescence. I had psychotic episodes that I didn't remember until after the fact, I cut myself, I was suicidal, and almost every little thing triggered me. What should I have done?
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Last edited by Delirium on 26 Jan 2011, 11:43 am, edited 1 time in total.
So why do you object to my claim that I'm arguing with people who are closed-minded? I'm finding it a battle to get past the reaction of “it's against my preconceptions and so it must be wrong” here. Probably a losing battle. All the terms I'm using have both experiential reality for me and fairly precise theoretical meanings, but they're obviously setting off flags for other people, and they're trying to manage the challenge of my perspective by sweeping it under the carpet. And this is just the few people who have bothered to respond. I know from previous threads that there's a lot more autistic-liberals on here than are responding, so most of them have apparently decided either not to read my post or not to respond. Which doesn't give me a great deal of confidence in their openness to other perspectives or their ability to coherently articulate their own when faced with criticism.
Personally, I find the illocutionary silencing which is being performed in the discourse of the people who oppose me more offensive than the insults. But this has been going on from the start. Three posts in and I was accused of talking “pooh”. Before we heard from you, I'd been accused of “jargon”, party building, trying to model people in my image, etc. This is the kind of thing I was referring to as closed-mindedness. To be honest, I'm disappointed but not surprised that people have responded in this way, because what I'm saying is treading on toes, interrupting a dominant monologue of epistemologically privileged agents, and goes against the ideology people have been brought-up into. They need to silence what I'm saying because they can't afford to engage with the content. But I've tried throughout to stick to the content of my argument and to patiently explain things people have rashly misunderstood.
First, I don't agree with you, but it is important to understand I don't disagree with you either. I haven't read your post.
Why? Because it's length and wordiness alone indicates that whatever your thoughts are, you've more than likely already made up your mind about whatever it's about. People don't spend that much time on a point or perspective unless they are already convinced.
Second, when others disagree with you and your response is to claim they are closed minded, that just gives more weight to my first presumption.
I have no need to "silence" what you are saying, because I don't even know what you're saying, and don't really care because I just don't have the time to invest reading so many lengthy and apparently convoluted arguments. (EDIT: Sorry, that right there looks a little harsher than I meant it to. It was blunt, but I don't know how to put it any other way right now. Nothing personal intended.)
So "Why bother responding at all?" you may ask. And that's a fair question. It's just my way of letting you know that I don't find your method of presenting your point of view to be very effective.
It wasn't meant personally. Nothing I placed here was meant that way. It is only commentary on argumentative styles. Not just yours, but others as well.
You are free to ignore it and continue as you will.
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I'm not likely to be around much longer. As before when I first signed up here years ago, I'm finding that after a long hiatus, and after only a few days back on here, I'm spending way too much time here again already. So I'm requesting my account be locked, banned or whatever. It's just time. Until then, well, I dunno...
The OP intellectual has a rigid point of view.
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I'm sure you'll find this amusing.
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Political science is boring as a whole to me.
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People here are a waste of time
you disagree with them and they call you mentally ill
no chance of a real conversation
mods delete thread please
Last edited by neoFoucault on 27 Jan 2011, 11:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I get what you're saying. I just think you're full of s**t. Speaking as someone who has dealt with mental illness, I actually find your posts borderline insulting. My depression was not made up by society, it was real and it sucked ass.
Boy, isn't the slippery slope argument grand?
Actually, some people are trying to get authoritarian personality disorder added to the DSM. And personality disorders are real.
But hey, you keep on parroting everything Thomas Szasz says. I won't stop you.
Right, because all psychiatrists are the same. Just because some psychiatrists are as*holes does not invalidate the entire profession. I have had godawful teachers; does that mean that teaching is BS?
I was sharing my experiences.
I don't have a problem with people who say that mentally ill people have rights. However, I do have a problem with people who insist that it doesn't exist and that it's just another way of thinking. Speaking as someone who has dealt with mental illness in the past, it really isn't.
Also, most people here aren't involved in autistic liberation, or at least not the kind you're peddling. You were the one complaining about how no one here agrees with you. You're preaching to yourself. If you want to hang out with people who agree with you, I'm sure there are some mad pride message boards out there. Or you could join Scientology; they're always looking for new members!
Not all depression is trauma-based.
New Age stuff is BS. You might as well ask me to try bloodletting or balancing my humors.
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Last edited by Delirium on 27 Jan 2011, 2:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
When you write a mile in the shoes of the OP you might understand. There is no point in arguing, disagreeing and what not. If someone believes what they cannot prove in absolute and has their own brand of circular reasoning they believe based on an external reality they perceive exists in absolute including in what cannot be proven as non-existent it cannot be proven to them logically as not yet absolute. My suggestion is to move on.
Mr. Neo, my apologies but a smart mind is never a perfect thing and common sense is something that can evade the best of us and even me and everyone else. If what you say rocks your boat then it is for you and others that will share this belief. Otherwise those that do not conclude as you do simply live in another paralleled universes (minds) then you per say.
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Wow.
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I live!
I know that was entirely diarrhea of the mind. Some more may come so watch out.
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