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25 Jun 2011, 9:51 pm

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Well I guess I cannot fathom how I will get a good job with my social akwardness, lack of competativeness and general dislike for the corporate world not to mention there is not a specific trade I am any good at. Also you are getting the wrong idea I don't care about what I don't have there is not even a lot I want I am just frusterated that with all my intelligence I cannot think of any other way to afford to live other then giving into that.


You are talking to a bunch of people who suffer from social akwardness. You are still very young - believe me when i tell you that it gets better over time, but only if you force yourself into those akward situations - such as working in an office / jobsite with other people.

I too have a general dislike for corporations (mostly the corporate greed I see all too often).

But to get a job that pays a decent salary, you have to suck it up and deal with it. When it comes to either a) making an anti-corporation statement by not playing by their "rules" (and thus not having a job), or b) adapting to it so that I can feed my family... I'll choose (b) any day.

And you do care about making money, because you have brought up the fact that you have all of these student loans to pay off. Also, you clearly want out of the "trailer park" because you don't want to continually be labelled as "crap" by society.

Wanting to make a decent living is not the same as wanting to be a billionaire.


I spent my entire childhood waiting for it to 'get better' and I've kind of stopped waiting, things can be alright sometimes but I don't think its going to improve that terribly much. And its actually not good for me to force myself into social situations that make me uncomfortable......because I get too stressed, there are some social situations that are fine but working in an office would not be one of them. and I said I was labeled that way I did not say much about how I feel about it........I kind of feel like if someone considers me crap for not being a sucess by societies standards they can f*ck off.



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25 Jun 2011, 10:00 pm

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Well I guess I cannot fathom how I will get a good job with my social akwardness, lack of competativeness and general dislike for the corporate world not to mention there is not a specific trade I am any good at. Also you are getting the wrong idea I don't care about what I don't have there is not even a lot I want I am just frusterated that with all my intelligence I cannot think of any other way to afford to live other then giving into that.


You are talking to a bunch of people who suffer from social akwardness. You are still very young - believe me when i tell you that it gets better over time, but only if you force yourself into those akward situations - such as working in an office / jobsite with other people.

I too have a general dislike for corporations (mostly the corporate greed I see all too often).

But to get a job that pays a decent salary, you have to suck it up and deal with it. When it comes to either a) making an anti-corporation statement by not playing by their "rules" (and thus not having a job), or b) adapting to it so that I can feed my family... I'll choose (b) any day.

And you do care about making money, because you have brought up the fact that you have all of these student loans to pay off. Also, you clearly want out of the "trailer park" because you don't want to continually be labelled as "crap" by society.

Wanting to make a decent living is not the same as wanting to be a billionaire.


I spent my entire childhood waiting for it to 'get better' and I've kind of stopped waiting, things can be alright sometimes but I don't think its going to improve that terribly much. And its actually not good for me to force myself into social situations that make me uncomfortable......because I get too stressed, there are some social situations that are fine but working in an office would not be one of them. and I said I was labeled that way I did not say much about how I feel about it........I kind of feel like if someone considers me crap for not being a sucess by societies standards they can f*ck off.



Take up an arduous physical sport that will a)make you fit and b) get the endorphins going and c)you might enjoy it.



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25 Jun 2011, 10:04 pm

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I spent my entire childhood waiting for it to 'get better' and I've kind of stopped waiting, things can be alright sometimes but I don't think its going to improve that terribly much. And its actually not good for me to force myself into social situations that make me uncomfortable......because I get too stressed, there are some social situations that are fine but working in an office would not be one of them. and I said I was labeled that way I did not say much about how I feel about it........I kind of feel like if someone considers me crap for not being a sucess by societies standards they can f*ck off.


You are only 21. Things did not get better for me until I was 25.

And please... You are not the only one who gets stressed in social situations. You are talking to a bunch of people with AS. I don't think you'll find a more understanding group of people on the 'net. For example, I myself used to throw up before going to work. I used to get very anxious before I had to attend a meeting, to the point of being unable to sleep the night before and being physically ill the day of. I forced myself to deal with the stress and anxiety because, quite frankly, there is no other way around it unless I wanted to quit my job. Which was not an option.

Finally, you clearly care that people have labelled you as being "crap" because of where you grew up. Wanting to tell people to f*ck off is a defense mechanism - and a poor one at that.

You are making excuses because you clearly just want to b!tch about your life. So yes - with your attitude you will never succeed. For your own sake, I hope that your attitude changes, because from what you've posted here so far, it seems to me you do want to succeed by your own standards (which seem to be: get an education, get a job, pay off student loans, move into a decent neighbourhood).



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25 Jun 2011, 10:05 pm

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cave_canem wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well I guess I cannot fathom how I will get a good job with my social akwardness, lack of competativeness and general dislike for the corporate world not to mention there is not a specific trade I am any good at. Also you are getting the wrong idea I don't care about what I don't have there is not even a lot I want I am just frusterated that with all my intelligence I cannot think of any other way to afford to live other then giving into that.


You are talking to a bunch of people who suffer from social akwardness. You are still very young - believe me when i tell you that it gets better over time, but only if you force yourself into those akward situations - such as working in an office / jobsite with other people.

I too have a general dislike for corporations (mostly the corporate greed I see all too often).

But to get a job that pays a decent salary, you have to suck it up and deal with it. When it comes to either a) making an anti-corporation statement by not playing by their "rules" (and thus not having a job), or b) adapting to it so that I can feed my family... I'll choose (b) any day.

And you do care about making money, because you have brought up the fact that you have all of these student loans to pay off. Also, you clearly want out of the "trailer park" because you don't want to continually be labelled as "crap" by society.

Wanting to make a decent living is not the same as wanting to be a billionaire.


I spent my entire childhood waiting for it to 'get better' and I've kind of stopped waiting, things can be alright sometimes but I don't think its going to improve that terribly much. And its actually not good for me to force myself into social situations that make me uncomfortable......because I get too stressed, there are some social situations that are fine but working in an office would not be one of them. and I said I was labeled that way I did not say much about how I feel about it........I kind of feel like if someone considers me crap for not being a sucess by societies standards they can f*ck off.



Take up an arduous physical sport that will a)make you fit and b) get the endorphins going and c)you might enjoy it.

I am pretty good at walking a lot.....sports are not really my thing, and I get pleanty of excercise with all the walking I have to do every day now in the summer I even get extra endurance excercise since on hot days the same amount of walking takes twice the effort.



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25 Jun 2011, 10:06 pm

To give an example of a trade I sometimes hang drywall. I not only hate hanging drywall but I suck at it. However one time I was using a laser level to plumb a wall and inadvertantly invented a telescope that could see into the future.



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25 Jun 2011, 10:08 pm

I run a lot and work out my frustrations on a punching bag and I have taught my kids to do the same.

If you look fit that gives you a big edge in social/work situations.



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25 Jun 2011, 10:11 pm

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To give an example of a trade I sometimes hang drywall. I not only hate hanging drywall but I suck at it. However one time I was using a laser level to plumb a wall and inadvertantly invented a telescope that could see into the future.



What's going to win this year's Kentucky Derby then?



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25 Jun 2011, 10:11 pm

cave_canem wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I spent my entire childhood waiting for it to 'get better' and I've kind of stopped waiting, things can be alright sometimes but I don't think its going to improve that terribly much. And its actually not good for me to force myself into social situations that make me uncomfortable......because I get too stressed, there are some social situations that are fine but working in an office would not be one of them. and I said I was labeled that way I did not say much about how I feel about it........I kind of feel like if someone considers me crap for not being a sucess by societies standards they can f*ck off.


You are only 21. Things did not get better for me until I was 25.

And please... You are not the only one who gets stressed in social situations. You are talking to a bunch of people with AS. I don't think you'll find a more understanding group of people on the 'net. For example, I myself used to throw up before going to work. I used to get very anxious before I had to attend a meeting, to the point of being unable to sleep the night before and being physically ill the day of. I forced myself to deal with the stress and anxiety because, quite frankly, there is no other way around it unless I wanted to quit my job. Which was not an option.

Finally, you clearly care that people have labelled you as being "crap" because of where you grew up. Wanting to tell people to f*ck off is a defense mechanism - and a poor one at that.

You are making excuses because you clearly just want to b!tch about your life. So yes - with your attitude you will never succeed. For your own sake, I hope that your attitude changes, because from what you've posted here so far, it seems to me you do want to succeed by your own standards (which seem to be: get an education, get a job, pay off student loans, move into a decent neighbourhood).


Did I say I was the only one who gets stressed in social situations? no and nor do I believe that. And the trouble with the stress is it makes it even harder for me to control my akwardness which=getting treated like the idiot and I simply cannot handle knowing I am the one everyone is lauging at in the back room without being virtually unable to function. I will have to try and find some sort of job that has a somewhat comfortable environment.....if that is impossible then I guess I am screwed. but that's life. And most decent neiborhood I know of are full of stuck up people who I would rather avoid living around.



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25 Jun 2011, 10:12 pm

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I run a lot and work out my frustrations on a punching bag and I have taught my kids to do the same.

If you look fit that gives you a big edge in social/work situations.


Well good for people who 'look' fit.



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25 Jun 2011, 10:13 pm

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To give an example of a trade I sometimes hang drywall. I not only hate hanging drywall but I suck at it. However one time I was using a laser level to plumb a wall and inadvertantly invented a telescope that could see into the future.


I know how to help hang drywall, but that is about it as most drywall is twice my size and weight.



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25 Jun 2011, 10:15 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
cave_canem wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I spent my entire childhood waiting for it to 'get better' and I've kind of stopped waiting, things can be alright sometimes but I don't think its going to improve that terribly much. And its actually not good for me to force myself into social situations that make me uncomfortable......because I get too stressed, there are some social situations that are fine but working in an office would not be one of them. and I said I was labeled that way I did not say much about how I feel about it........I kind of feel like if someone considers me crap for not being a sucess by societies standards they can f*ck off.


You are only 21. Things did not get better for me until I was 25.

And please... You are not the only one who gets stressed in social situations. You are talking to a bunch of people with AS. I don't think you'll find a more understanding group of people on the 'net. For example, I myself used to throw up before going to work. I used to get very anxious before I had to attend a meeting, to the point of being unable to sleep the night before and being physically ill the day of. I forced myself to deal with the stress and anxiety because, quite frankly, there is no other way around it unless I wanted to quit my job. Which was not an option.

Finally, you clearly care that people have labelled you as being "crap" because of where you grew up. Wanting to tell people to f*ck off is a defense mechanism - and a poor one at that.

You are making excuses because you clearly just want to b!tch about your life. So yes - with your attitude you will never succeed. For your own sake, I hope that your attitude changes, because from what you've posted here so far, it seems to me you do want to succeed by your own standards (which seem to be: get an education, get a job, pay off student loans, move into a decent neighbourhood).


Did I say I was the only one who gets stressed in social situations? no and nor do I believe that. And the trouble with the stress is it makes it even harder for me to control my akwardness which=getting treated like the idiot and I simply cannot handle knowing I am the one everyone is lauging at in the back room without being virtually unable to function. I will have to try and find some sort of job that has a somewhat comfortable environment.....if that is impossible then I guess I am screwed. but that's life. And most decent neiborhood I know of are full of stuck up people who I would rather avoid living around.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactio ... .2FYes_But

Why Don't You/Yes ButThe first such game theorized was Why don't you/Yes, but in which one player (White) would pose a problem as if seeking help, and the other player(s) (Black) would offer solutions (the "Why don't you?" suggestion). This game was noticed as many patients played it in therapy and psychiatry sessions, and inspired Berne to identify other interpersonal "games".

White would point out a flaw in every Black player's solution (the "Yes, but" response), until they all gave up in frustration. For example, if someone's life script was "to be hurt many times, and suffer and make others feel bad when I die" a game of "Why Don't You, Yes But" might proceed as follows:

White: I wish I could lose some weight.
Black: Why don't you join a gym?
White: Yes but, I can't afford the payments for a gym.
Black: Why don't you speed walk around your block after you get home from work?
White: Yes but, I don't dare walk alone in my neighborhood after dark.
Black: Why don't you take the stairs at work instead of the elevator?
White: Yes but, after my knee surgery, it hurts too much to walk that many flights of stairs.
Black: Why don't you change your diet?
White: Yes but, my stomach is sensitive and I can tolerate only certain foods.
"Why Don't You, Yes But" can proceed indefinitely, with any number of players in the Black role, until Black's imagination is exhausted, and she can think of no other solutions. At this point, White "wins" by having stumped Black. After a silent pause following Black's final suggestion, the game is often brought to a formal end by a third role, Green, who makes a comment such as, "It just goes to show how difficult it is to lose weight."

The secondary gain for White was that he could claim to have justified his problem as insoluble and thus avoid the hard work of internal change; and for Black, to either feel the frustrated martyr ("I was only trying to help") or a superior being, disrespected ("the patient was uncooperative").

Superficially, this game can resemble Adult to Adult interaction (people seeking information or advice), but more often, according to Berne, the game is played by White's helpless Child, and Black's lecturing Parent ego states.



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25 Jun 2011, 10:17 pm

Before a wall can be sheetrocked it has to be framed and plumbed vertically. In the past plumb bobs were used but in this day and age laser levels are used.



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25 Jun 2011, 10:19 pm

Gallowglass wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
cave_canem wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I spent my entire childhood waiting for it to 'get better' and I've kind of stopped waiting, things can be alright sometimes but I don't think its going to improve that terribly much. And its actually not good for me to force myself into social situations that make me uncomfortable......because I get too stressed, there are some social situations that are fine but working in an office would not be one of them. and I said I was labeled that way I did not say much about how I feel about it........I kind of feel like if someone considers me crap for not being a sucess by societies standards they can f*ck off.


You are only 21. Things did not get better for me until I was 25.

And please... You are not the only one who gets stressed in social situations. You are talking to a bunch of people with AS. I don't think you'll find a more understanding group of people on the 'net. For example, I myself used to throw up before going to work. I used to get very anxious before I had to attend a meeting, to the point of being unable to sleep the night before and being physically ill the day of. I forced myself to deal with the stress and anxiety because, quite frankly, there is no other way around it unless I wanted to quit my job. Which was not an option.

Finally, you clearly care that people have labelled you as being "crap" because of where you grew up. Wanting to tell people to f*ck off is a defense mechanism - and a poor one at that.

You are making excuses because you clearly just want to b!tch about your life. So yes - with your attitude you will never succeed. For your own sake, I hope that your attitude changes, because from what you've posted here so far, it seems to me you do want to succeed by your own standards (which seem to be: get an education, get a job, pay off student loans, move into a decent neighbourhood).


Did I say I was the only one who gets stressed in social situations? no and nor do I believe that. And the trouble with the stress is it makes it even harder for me to control my akwardness which=getting treated like the idiot and I simply cannot handle knowing I am the one everyone is lauging at in the back room without being virtually unable to function. I will have to try and find some sort of job that has a somewhat comfortable environment.....if that is impossible then I guess I am screwed. but that's life. And most decent neiborhood I know of are full of stuck up people who I would rather avoid living around.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactio ... .2FYes_But

Why Don't You/Yes ButThe first such game theorized was Why don't you/Yes, but in which one player (White) would pose a problem as if seeking help, and the other player(s) (Black) would offer solutions (the "Why don't you?" suggestion). This game was noticed as many patients played it in therapy and psychiatry sessions, and inspired Berne to identify other interpersonal "games".

White would point out a flaw in every Black player's solution (the "Yes, but" response), until they all gave up in frustration. For example, if someone's life script was "to be hurt many times, and suffer and make others feel bad when I die" a game of "Why Don't You, Yes But" might proceed as follows:

White: I wish I could lose some weight.
Black: Why don't you join a gym?
White: Yes but, I can't afford the payments for a gym.
Black: Why don't you speed walk around your block after you get home from work?
White: Yes but, I don't dare walk alone in my neighborhood after dark.
Black: Why don't you take the stairs at work instead of the elevator?
White: Yes but, after my knee surgery, it hurts too much to walk that many flights of stairs.
Black: Why don't you change your diet?
White: Yes but, my stomach is sensitive and I can tolerate only certain foods.
"Why Don't You, Yes But" can proceed indefinitely, with any number of players in the Black role, until Black's imagination is exhausted, and she can think of no other solutions. At this point, White "wins" by having stumped Black. After a silent pause following Black's final suggestion, the game is often brought to a formal end by a third role, Green, who makes a comment such as, "It just goes to show how difficult it is to lose weight."

The secondary gain for White was that he could claim to have justified his problem as insoluble and thus avoid the hard work of internal change; and for Black, to either feel the frustrated martyr ("I was only trying to help") or a superior being, disrespected ("the patient was uncooperative").

Superficially, this game can resemble Adult to Adult interaction (people seeking information or advice), but more often, according to Berne, the game is played by White's helpless Child, and Black's lecturing Parent ego states.


Ok I get it you think I am just making excuses and have no valid reasons for feeling a little bit hopeless...I think, not sure what I was supposed to take out of that. in my defense I did say I would have to try and find a work environment that is somewhat comfortable as opposed to one that is not...



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25 Jun 2011, 10:20 pm

I know but how many neurotypical people would stumble on an invention of a new laser telescope while hanging drywall? I can hang drywall but I am very slow.



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25 Jun 2011, 10:21 pm

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I know but how many neurotypical people would stumble on an invention of a new laser telescope while hanging drywall? I can hang drywall but I am very slow.


This is a common problem I have with jobs, a lot of time I can do the work but I am too slow...and as a rule I do not think they would care to much that my depression is one of the factors that contributes to that.



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25 Jun 2011, 10:24 pm

Oh and by the way John Hubble was one of my drywall bosses and his relative was the famous astronomer. If I told him about my invention maybe he would have let the other workers carry my work load.