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14 Jul 2011, 7:11 pm

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what do you mean I can't prove it? I skipped 2 grades in math and got an A. Thats much better than the NT stoners and stupid people in my class.


Even Christian Weston Chandler said he was on the honor roll. And more blanket statements. Not that autistics could take drugs eh, or are you specifying NTs because you just have a burning hatred inside that makes you no better than the worst of them? Why don't you show something that really stands out because there are sure a lot of people who have done more than get an A in maths. As for the first comment you made on this thread, why don't you learn the words rather than force me to go down to the lowest common denominator? It isn't like I am forcing you to understand the finer points of the physical properties of non-newtonian fluids, or assume you know what syzygy or apraxia are.


I have AS and I could certainly be considered a stoner......I was not back in highschool because I hardly even talked to anyone so there would have been no way for me to aqquire any drugs in general. I am a college student though I am great at reading, writing and critical thinking I completely fail at math. But anyways I have my reasons for being a stoner...does that mean I am NT now? does it make me inferior to people on the autism spectrum who don't induldge in such things? Elitism is never a very good thing.

note: those questions are directed at those on the superiority bandwagon*



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15 Jul 2011, 4:59 am

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I have AS and I could certainly be considered a stoner......I was not back in highschool because I hardly even talked to anyone so there would have been no way for me to aqquire any drugs in general. I am a college student though I am great at reading, writing and critical thinking I completely fail at math. But anyways I have my reasons for being a stoner...does that mean I am NT now? does it make me inferior to people on the autism spectrum who don't induldge in such things? Elitism is never a very good thing.

note: those questions are directed at those on the superiority bandwagon*


Certainly not. Also I know you are directing it at that superiority guy.



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15 Jul 2011, 2:35 pm

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Supremacist thinking of any kind isn't the most constructive way to get through life.

No matter who we're with, we all need to play nice.


It's an attitude that if everyone followed life would be only a quarter of the mess it is.

What you're proposing defies evolution. Anyone that understands the basics of evolution knows that the weak die out. If you want to "play nice", go for it. Go have fun with all the morons working full time at McDonalds, since you're not superior to anyone. I would rather not join you, though.



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15 Jul 2011, 2:46 pm

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Supremacist thinking of any kind isn't the most constructive way to get through life.

No matter who we're with, we all need to play nice.


It's an attitude that if everyone followed life would be only a quarter of the mess it is.

What you're proposing defies evolution. Anyone that understands the basics of evolution knows that the weak die out. If you want to "play nice", go for it. Go have fun with all the morons working full time at McDonalds, since you're not superior to anyone. I would rather not join you, though.


Evolution has nothing to do with how society is set up.....surviving in this sick society is hardly proof of evolutionary abilities or strength. And I doubt everyone who works at Mcdonalds full time is a moron, I would not work there unless it was the only way for me to make a living because the food is disgusting but there are pleanty of intelligent people with crappy jobs like that. and there are even intelligent people without jobs.



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15 Jul 2011, 3:51 pm

Burzum wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
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Supremacist thinking of any kind isn't the most constructive way to get through life.

No matter who we're with, we all need to play nice.


It's an attitude that if everyone followed life would be only a quarter of the mess it is.

What you're proposing defies evolution. Anyone that understands the basics of evolution knows that the weak die out. If you want to "play nice", go for it. Go have fun with all the morons working full time at McDonalds, since you're not superior to anyone. I would rather not join you, though.


What are you talking about? Anyone who understands the basics of evolution knows that whoever survives passes on their genes. If you haven't noticed, social discord is a weakness, not a strength you psychopathic neonazi. Also, full time at mcdonalds? Where did you pull that out of, your racist Dad's ass? Then again, funny you say you wouldn't join me because I bet not even McDonalds would hire you and defile themselves with such a moronic evil.



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15 Jul 2011, 6:04 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Burzum wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
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Supremacist thinking of any kind isn't the most constructive way to get through life.

No matter who we're with, we all need to play nice.


It's an attitude that if everyone followed life would be only a quarter of the mess it is.

What you're proposing defies evolution. Anyone that understands the basics of evolution knows that the weak die out. If you want to "play nice", go for it. Go have fun with all the morons working full time at McDonalds, since you're not superior to anyone. I would rather not join you, though.


Evolution has nothing to do with how society is set up.....surviving in this sick society is hardly proof of evolutionary abilities or strength. And I doubt everyone who works at Mcdonalds full time is a moron, I would not work there unless it was the only way for me to make a living because the food is disgusting but there are pleanty of intelligent people with crappy jobs like that. and there are even intelligent people without jobs.


I would love to work at McDonald just not at the cash register where I have to process that much information. It's either that or cleaning movie theaters which I did for a day before. My job now however is public relations director and product development. The individuals that express survival of the fittest as the higher order of things at times suggest the same as a response to inequality. This creates burden for each side and results in less favorable results for the less fortunate.


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16 Jul 2011, 11:21 am

It is amazing how neurotypicals think that the only job an autistic person is capable of is a job at McDonalds.



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16 Jul 2011, 11:24 am

Simply that is not true. When you make statements that are vastly generalized as facts I think it's more about emotional appeal to make others feel "oppressed" then deriving universal truth. Your above statement is in fact "false". I know others you would call the N.T's who think very differently then your above statement.


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16 Jul 2011, 11:34 am

Well it happened to me . I was a member of the Carpenters Union and had thousands of dollars deducted from my paycheck for Union representation. My Union rep told me that the only job I was capable of doing was working at McDonalds.



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16 Jul 2011, 11:37 am

People will say mean things because they are a**holes. N.T does not mean a**hole but people who happen to be what you call N.T but also some with A.S are a**holes. Not everyone on earth that is so called "normal" and normal is boring said that to you.


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16 Jul 2011, 12:20 pm

ci wrote:
Simply that is not true. When you make statements that are vastly generalized as facts I think it's more about emotional appeal to make others feel "oppressed" then deriving universal truth. Your above statement is in fact "false". I know others you would call the N.T's who think very differently then your above statement.


Why do you need to put false in quotation marks?



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16 Jul 2011, 12:22 pm

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Well it happened to me . I was a member of the Carpenters Union and had thousands of dollars deducted from my paycheck for Union representation. My Union rep told me that the only job I was capable of doing was working at McDonalds.


Wait, how did you get thousands deducted froma paycheck for being in a union? Also ci is sorta right. If Burazum is who he says he is, then as*hole doesn't equal one of them.



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16 Jul 2011, 12:40 pm

I believe the anti-N.T philosophies are destructive to better potentials. I also believe people that are mean towards individuals with autism are destructive toward potentials and national economic improvements. It is best treated as mutually a sincere and vital issue of inclusion and of economic importance in general.


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16 Jul 2011, 1:00 pm

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What are you talking about? Anyone who understands the basics of evolution knows that whoever survives passes on their genes. If you haven't noticed, social discord is a weakness, not a strength you psychopathic neonazi. Also, full time at mcdonalds? Where did you pull that out of, your racist Dad's ass? Then again, funny you say you wouldn't join me because I bet not even McDonalds would hire you and defile themselves with such a moronic evil.

Charming. I'm sure everyone that disagrees with you is a Nazi and a racist, right? If you're at all representative of the people that hold your side of the argument, then you guys are in trouble.

Yes, whoever survives passes on their genes, and in case you didn't notice this is known as natural selection, which Charles Darwin himself used synonymously with "survival of the fittest". A clear-cut example of "social discord" benefiting a species in the animal kingdom can be observed in the following video of chimpanzee clans killing each other in competition for resources. But please, continue trying to tell me how evolution works.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7XuXi3mqYM[/youtube]



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16 Jul 2011, 2:17 pm

Er some of you guys are forgetting altruism is hardwired into to animals living social groups and we have to make the calculation whether it is better to act individualistically /selfishly or act alruistically. I seemed to remember Darwin examined this "other side" to evolution .

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/altruism-biological/

This forms the basis of GameTheory which in a variety of forms is used to analyse diverse stuff from economics to military strategy.

There's also a whole bunch of work called Co-evolution which looks at how dieffent groups and species manage the agression- altruism response to inhibit them from wiping each other and themselves out.

http://academic.research.microsoft.com/ ... inhibition

Now here's a little piece of really intersting history. The guy who started looking at all this was a Nazi
well he was a Nazi until he realised the NSPD were collectively insane and dind't understand, or want to understand how evolution worked and the officials wouldn't listen when he tried to tell them. He got shipped to The Eastern Front, so the tradgedy was the Germans never got to listen before it was too late. Mark of the man ;he made friends with his Russian captors and they kept him alive to the end of the war. His name was Lorenz, about the only sane guy in the whole place at the time.



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16 Jul 2011, 2:30 pm

One of my kids worked a t McD's to get some work experience. He disliked it but stuck it out. He told me an interesting observation- the managers all made out they had really brilliant social lives -going to this party
and thtis gig, test driving a mates GTi etc, apparently the trick is to try to make the staff at the bottom feel drab and socially inferior, ie they lack social skills but can aspire to this ultra exciting social life if they want to train as McD managers. Then one of them told him a little truth, she couldn't afford the rental on her mobile 'phone one month so they cut her Off- don't forget social deception comes into this equation somewhere as well.