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07 Sep 2011, 5:13 pm

You ought to consult legal contacts on the rights request for clarification as it is in state and federal law. I agree with what you say otherwise.

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07 Sep 2011, 5:21 pm

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You ought to consult legal contacts on the rights request for clarification as it is in state and federal law. I agree with what you say otherwise.

There are no such 'rights', nor can there be.

It doesn't matter what laws at any level of govenment state.

Rights are granted and asserted by individuals, not by governments.

You believe that people have these rights? Fine - do your best to fulfill them, but by persuasion and through your own contribution. Do not attempt to use government as a club to force your ideas on others.

I and many others disagree with your beliefs and are not bound by your opinions.

Your particular notion of rights has very limited scope and should have nothing to do with my world.

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07 Sep 2011, 5:25 pm

AlanTuring wrote:

ci wrote:

You ought to consult legal contacts on the rights request for clarification as it is in state and federal law. I agree with what you say otherwise.

What you said really doesn't make sense. The law is the law within a democracy and for instance if you don't wish to obey them then there are other laws for that. I happen to have an avatar of the men in black but I am not the government or party to the government but it is comprised of t he people by the people and so on. It's a democracy and you can disagree with whatever laws that exist in a democracy and attempt to change them but the laws that exist are not my opinion they are the law.

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07 Sep 2011, 6:02 pm

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What you said really doesn't make sense.

Yes it does. Rights are natural. Laws are statist. Laws attempt to imitate perfect justice as best as the public perceives and these help to maintain people's rights in theory.

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The law is the law within a democracy and for instance if you don't wish to obey them then there are other laws for that.

Laws are not rights. Laws =/= rights. Also why did you say that second statement alluding to punishment for people who break laws?

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the laws that exist are not my opinion they are the law.

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07 Sep 2011, 6:09 pm

Going off on a tangent when the topic is very simple seems more like a distraction away from solid points. The attempt to confuss myself with irrelevant talk didn't really work. Also the logic you express really while I know your trying to win a point is just bad reasoning and argumentation. It doesn't make you stupid or dumb and just think you kind of lost grip but I understand stuburn.

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08 Sep 2011, 9:11 am

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All I said is that you have not actually proven to me whether what you have said about anything you have said is correct. All you have told me is what you feel about it. Also the facts remain that you haven't actually dealt with where I have fact-checked and pointed out where you were wrong with proper reasons. This is all on subject. What is irrelevant is talking about me or whatever personal faults you ascribe to me, personal faults you again have not actually proven. What you should be doing is proving why you are right. You haven't. I am still waiting.

So I am not stubborn at all. I am determined to respond at every chance I get truthfully and clearly to whatever you say and patient enough to wait for when you actually give proof.

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08 Sep 2011, 9:22 am

not all aspies think a like and also as of january the concept of aspie is irelevent.aspie is not political party¡.how this thread got to 3 pages ill never know.on this forum however i would never be saprised at anything

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08 Sep 2011, 10:12 am

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not all aspies think a like and also as of january the concept of aspie is irelevent.

If you are referring to the folding of Asperger's into the autism spectrum in the next edition of DSM, that will only affect official diagnoses at most.

We will continue to self-identify as "people with Asperger's" or "aspies" regardless of what the DSM says.

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08 Sep 2011, 10:39 am

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not all aspies think a like and also as of january the concept of aspie is irelevent.

i was in federal court today on S.S mater.i used the term mild developmental disabilities.i never once said asperger or autism actualy.label are just labels.i wont say asperger or aspie after january 2012

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08 Sep 2011, 11:03 am

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not all aspies think a like and also as of january the concept of aspie is irelevent.

I hope your court case goes well.

I think that words do matter, and that the cluster of traits that have been known by "Asperger's" deserves an identifier. "Asperger's" communicates something to many people, and I'd hate to see that something lost in the sea of the spectrum. Besides, other spectrum disorders have retained their customary identifier.

If 'mild developmental disabilities' accurately describes the impact that Asperger's has had on your life, then that is fine. It would not describe my experience, however, nor that of many other aspies.

I wish you well.

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08 Sep 2011, 11:14 am

quote aspergers has had a profound affect on my life,still i have always prefered DD or idiot savant.i think idiot savant describes me best anyway.im realy sure how important technical terms are,but there not to me

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08 Sep 2011, 11:15 am

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Technical terms can be incorrect. Depends on their validity.

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08 Sep 2011, 11:56 am

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Technical terms can be incorrect. Depends on their validity.

exactly,thats why i treat labels lightly and see things person first

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08 Sep 2011, 11:58 am

Gedrene wrote:

vermontsavant wrote:

Technical terms can be incorrect. Depends on their validity.

exactly,thats why i treat labels lightly and see things person first

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08 Sep 2011, 11:58 am

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No not a political party. Some groups are "political" groups. I used the word party because I've seen at least one post about forming an aspie / autism political party. It was just a conversation starter.

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08 Sep 2011, 12:05 pm

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There are countless things which you have said that cannot be proven. Also with regards to ASAN's political behavior it's all very well recorded. Looking at something and deriving an observation what you get is observation. If they use abortion to get attention and accuse the public of Eugenics and then ask for money for supports for otherwise very high functioning people protesting then they are making those requests in the same context. How can you not prove they are not making those very requests while accusing others of things in which they were not intending. It is just not appropriate according to many I've talked to. To me I have proof of the the behavior in the same context and people not agreeing with how they did things.

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