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24 Sep 2011, 1:50 pm

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Well if it were ruining my life I would quit....there are laws that could ruin things, but that would be corrupt laws not marijuana doing the ruining.


Well I see it like this if my use of cannabis was interfering with me badly I have never gotten so bad I was smoking like 10 joints a day anyways if it did get that bad I would cut down or stop until I got my sh** together.
My parents are both against drugs my dad even tried to put me in a psychiatric hospital for smoking and he successfully did by bringing a police escort but I was out in a day because the doctor looked at the police and told them "He's not the problem its you (the cop) and the father that are a problem" lol. I like that doctor he knew there was something wrong with the system and corrected the situation.
I was so pissed off at my dad for a long time know I just try to get money from him as often as I can.
If you want I can PM you a list of evil things I did too my dad because I was so pissed off and still am mad at the guy.


lol you can if you want...My mom I don't think approves of drug use, though she has used drugs in the past but she is one of those parents that basically tells you never to do anything she did and would be more likely to get mad at me if I had even brought up the topic of drugs up as a kid rather than had a accurate discussion about it. because its bad with overprotective tendencies so yeah. My dad on the other hand is more open about his drug and alcohol use and did not tell me or my siblings we should or should not he thinks its a personal choice.



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24 Sep 2011, 2:30 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Well if it were ruining my life I would quit....there are laws that could ruin things, but that would be corrupt laws not marijuana doing the ruining.


Well I see it like this if my use of cannabis was interfering with me badly I have never gotten so bad I was smoking like 10 joints a day anyways if it did get that bad I would cut down or stop until I got my sh** together.
My parents are both against drugs my dad even tried to put me in a psychiatric hospital for smoking and he successfully did by bringing a police escort but I was out in a day because the doctor looked at the police and told them "He's not the problem its you (the cop) and the father that are a problem" lol. I like that doctor he knew there was something wrong with the system and corrected the situation.
I was so pissed off at my dad for a long time know I just try to get money from him as often as I can.
If you want I can PM you a list of evil things I did too my dad because I was so pissed off and still am mad at the guy.


lol you can if you want...My mom I don't think approves of drug use, though she has used drugs in the past but she is one of those parents that basically tells you never to do anything she did and would be more likely to get mad at me if I had even brought up the topic of drugs up as a kid rather than had a accurate discussion about it. because its bad with overprotective tendencies so yeah. My dad on the other hand is more open about his drug and alcohol use and did not tell me or my siblings we should or should not he thinks its a personal choice.


That's silly of your mother to be overprotective of something she indulged in when she was a teen then to grow up and be all against it sounds kinda hypercritical too me in a way.
Your dad on the other hand seems to be more understanding of your choices and that's cool.
If I had a kid and we had to discuss drugs I'd strongly advise my kids to at least wait till there brain is fully devolved before experimenting so they would be less likely to make the same mistakes I made when I was in highschool. And if they do decide to smoke there first joint when there 12 I won't be angry about it but I'd try to teach them ways to be smart and safe about it.



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24 Sep 2011, 2:42 pm

If drugs weren't pushed under ground users might not feel the need to hide Meth Labs in basements of vacant houses and start house fires.



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24 Sep 2011, 2:55 pm

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Yeah I've heard a lot about it and read Strassman's book The Spirit Molecule, but I myself actually haven't done any drugs. I don't know about finding the right Shrooms and no idea about getting anything like DMT.


Stuff can be changeling to find actually I haven't had any personal experience with DMT or LSD becuase it was too hard for me to find but had some with shrooms.


Finding mushrooms is easy. This is a great book to learn how to identify them: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0898 ... s_product_

Or you can just buy whatever you want online. The internet has come of age. Surprised you hadn't heard about this: http://gawker.com/5805928/the-undergrou ... imaginable - it totally works, btw.



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24 Sep 2011, 3:01 pm

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Yeah I've heard a lot about it and read Strassman's book The Spirit Molecule, but I myself actually haven't done any drugs. I don't know about finding the right Shrooms and no idea about getting anything like DMT.


Stuff can be changeling to find actually I haven't had any personal experience with DMT or LSD becuase it was too hard for me to find but had some with shrooms.


Finding mushrooms is easy. This is a great book to learn how to identify them: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0898 ... s_product_

Or you can just buy whatever you want online. The internet has come of age. Surprised you hadn't heard about this: http://gawker.com/5805928/the-undergrou ... imaginable - it totally works, btw.


Never herd of it anyways how do I buy the drugs?
Also is there a catch where it could be a bunch of cops looking to bust people? Im skeptical about it because I don't want to go to jail.
Edit: I think thats a joke webstite nice try =/



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24 Sep 2011, 3:44 pm

Sorry, I thought you were serious. Videodrome, check out those links.



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24 Sep 2011, 3:57 pm

Might look at the links. While I'm very curious about these things I don't think I can get involved with them.

I'm a commercial driver and can't jeopardize my job messing with this stuff.



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24 Sep 2011, 4:00 pm

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You know what would be nice, people not thinking that cocaine or heroin are somehow acceptable in a real environment. All sorts of dangerous chemicals should be kept under strict control. Misuse is punished for them. Just because Heroin and Cocaine cause a high doesn't mean that they can be lumped in with something more contentious and arguably acceptable like cannabis. Cocaine and Heroin have devastating effects on brain chemistry. Some people find their day to day rhythm shattered by not being able to smoke. With Cocaine and Heroin a barrier is broken above that were psychological hell breaks loose if one doesn't take the drug but at the same time the psychological hell occurs even if one doesn't try to stop.

Any arguments that stopping drugs as pointless is hilarious. The high-tide of hard drug smuggling was back in the eighties. The hard drug criminal industry itself was started with some circumspect official support such as for cocaine when the FBI supported various Southern American rebel groups.
yes but wouldnt it be safer in general if it was regulated.if low potancy bags were sold in a controled envirement.i just dont see the war on drugs working,ive met few people who got into those drugs and were ever able to quit


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24 Sep 2011, 4:08 pm

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Might look at the links. While I'm very curious about these things I don't think I can get involved with them.

I'm a commercial driver and can't jeopardize my job messing with this stuff.
im a comercial driver too,and im 100% clean and sober.this thread is just about do laws properly address this issues


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24 Sep 2011, 4:30 pm

You to huh?

It's funny I'm on the road so much with my commercial van I can hardly get to have an occasional beer.



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24 Sep 2011, 5:41 pm

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You know what would be nice, people not thinking that cocaine or heroin are somehow acceptable in a real environment. All sorts of dangerous chemicals should be kept under strict control. Misuse is punished for them. Just because Heroin and Cocaine cause a high doesn't mean that they can be lumped in with something more contentious and arguably acceptable like cannabis. Cocaine and Heroin have devastating effects on brain chemistry. Some people find their day to day rhythm shattered by not being able to smoke. With Cocaine and Heroin a barrier is broken above that were psychological hell breaks loose if one doesn't take the drug but at the same time the psychological hell occurs even if one doesn't try to stop.

Any arguments that stopping drugs as pointless is hilarious. The high-tide of hard drug smuggling was back in the eighties. The hard drug criminal industry itself was started with some circumspect official support such as for cocaine when the FBI supported various Southern American rebel groups.
yes but wouldnt it be safer in general if it was regulated.if low potancy bags were sold in a controled envirement.i just dont see the war on drugs working,ive met few people who got into those drugs and were ever able to quit

No, it doesn't work that way with Heroin. It interferes in the wrong way with the brain, creating an escalating addiction. The same with cocaine, it breaks all barriers. They are also both extremely unhealthy. One doesn't need to think hard about the dangers of drugs to the mind and body when they see a druggie in the streets.

It even said in freakonomics how a crack gang orders its own soldiers to not take the drugs they sell. And so what you have met few people who have got on to drugs and managed to use drugs and quit that doesn't mean decriminalizing them is going to make all the damage they cause dissapear.

That some people do actually escape it is a testament to the fact that the idea that decriminalizing drugs because the war on drugs is hopeless is ghastly and foolish.

What is creepy is that the people who are actually using drugs here do so because they feel terrible (as they have told me) or are so willing to make some fatalistic argument when there is no fate at all. It all stinks of covering one's own issues.



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24 Sep 2011, 5:57 pm

Gedrene wrote:
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Gedrene wrote:
You know what would be nice, people not thinking that cocaine or heroin are somehow acceptable in a real environment. All sorts of dangerous chemicals should be kept under strict control. Misuse is punished for them. Just because Heroin and Cocaine cause a high doesn't mean that they can be lumped in with something more contentious and arguably acceptable like cannabis. Cocaine and Heroin have devastating effects on brain chemistry. Some people find their day to day rhythm shattered by not being able to smoke. With Cocaine and Heroin a barrier is broken above that were psychological hell breaks loose if one doesn't take the drug but at the same time the psychological hell occurs even if one doesn't try to stop.

Any arguments that stopping drugs as pointless is hilarious. The high-tide of hard drug smuggling was back in the eighties. The hard drug criminal industry itself was started with some circumspect official support such as for cocaine when the FBI supported various Southern American rebel groups.
yes but wouldnt it be safer in general if it was regulated.if low potancy bags were sold in a controled envirement.i just dont see the war on drugs working,ive met few people who got into those drugs and were ever able to quit

No, it doesn't work that way with Heroin. It interferes in the wrong way with the brain, creating an escalating addiction. The same with cocaine, it breaks all barriers. They are also both extremely unhealthy. One doesn't need to think hard about the dangers of drugs to the mind and body when they see a druggie in the streets.

It even said in freakonomics how a crack gang orders its own soldiers to not take the drugs they sell. And so what you have met few people who have got on to drugs and managed to use drugs and quit that doesn't mean decriminalizing them is going to make all the damage they cause dissapear.

That some people do actually escape it is a testament to the fact that the idea that decriminalizing drugs because the war on drugs is hopeless is ghastly and foolish.

What is creepy is that the people who are actually using drugs here do so because they feel terrible (as they have told me) or are so willing to make some fatalistic argument when there is no fate at all. It all stinks of covering one's own issues.
im not argueing there is anything good about drugs,i dont even drink.what can be acomplished by continuing the war on drugs.just a few weeks ago a youg woman was murdered in vermont by drug dealers.if she bought her drugs from a controled,safe regulated drug store,she wouls at least be alive


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24 Sep 2011, 6:03 pm

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im not argueing there is anything good about drugs,i dont even drink.what can be acomplished by continuing the war on drugs.just a few weeks ago a youg woman was murdered in vermont by drug dealers.if she bought her drugs from a controled,safe regulated drug store,she wouls at least be alive

But that's the problem. She shouldn't go near drugs at all. Hard drugs are bad news. It'll be like if governments purposefully provided vaccines that caused some sort of debilitating mental disorder. [Ha!]
If you really want to make people safe from drugs then you have to destroy the source, completely. That means turning coca fields in to ash. They are already convincing afghan farmers to switch to watermelons and other crops.



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24 Sep 2011, 6:08 pm

Gedrene wrote:
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im not argueing there is anything good about drugs,i dont even drink.what can be acomplished by continuing the war on drugs.just a few weeks ago a youg woman was murdered in vermont by drug dealers.if she bought her drugs from a controled,safe regulated drug store,she wouls at least be alive

But that's the problem. She shouldn't go near drugs at all. Hard drugs are bad news. It'll be like if governments purposefully provided vaccines that caused some sort of debilitating mental disorder. [Ha!]
If you really want to make people safe from drugs then you have to destroy the source, completely. That means turning coca fields in to ash. They are already convincing afghan farmers to switch to watermelons and other crops.
he if they can get people to stop growing and using,then that is great.hope it works


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24 Sep 2011, 7:42 pm

Gedrene wrote:
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im not argueing there is anything good about drugs,i dont even drink.what can be acomplished by continuing the war on drugs.just a few weeks ago a youg woman was murdered in vermont by drug dealers.if she bought her drugs from a controled,safe regulated drug store,she wouls at least be alive

But that's the problem. She shouldn't go near drugs at all. Hard drugs are bad news. It'll be like if governments purposefully provided vaccines that caused some sort of debilitating mental disorder. [Ha!]
If you really want to make people safe from drugs then you have to destroy the source, completely. That means turning coca fields in to ash. They are already convincing afghan farmers to switch to watermelons and other crops.


There is no way to rid the world of drugs, it won't happen.......anymore than prohibition worked for alcohol. The best course of action is having accurate information availible about drugs so people can make more educated decisions laws prohibiting the use of all drugs other then prescription meds, alcohol, ciggarettes and caffine are obviously not working now are they.



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25 Sep 2011, 2:54 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
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im not argueing there is anything good about drugs,i dont even drink.what can be acomplished by continuing the war on drugs.just a few weeks ago a youg woman was murdered in vermont by drug dealers.if she bought her drugs from a controled,safe regulated drug store,she wouls at least be alive

But that's the problem. She shouldn't go near drugs at all. Hard drugs are bad news. It'll be like if governments purposefully provided vaccines that caused some sort of debilitating mental disorder. [Ha!]
If you really want to make people safe from drugs then you have to destroy the source, completely. That means turning coca fields in to ash. They are already convincing afghan farmers to switch to watermelons and other crops.


There is no way to rid the world of drugs, it won't happen.......anymore than prohibition worked for alcohol. The best course of action is having accurate information availible about drugs so people can make more educated decisions laws prohibiting the use of all drugs other then prescription meds, alcohol, ciggarettes and caffine are obviously not working now are they.


I agree.
I see his point and its not a bad argument but its VERY unrealistic though I see his point I cause its does think certain drugs like meth should have never been invented they easily take over a persons life. I also think cigarettes should have never been invented too, It just causes alot of health problems, I smoke myself and am VERY addicted if I don't have a smoke I get pissed off easily and make other people's life a living hell.