Society's War on Asperger's/Autism

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Thank, I just never saw QFT before.

And what do you think about Gary as I describe him. Soon we will have to go to their house for Thanksgiving. He's unbearable and would make any of us melt.

That's such a submissive and emotionally wrecked way of begging for kindness and help. It's painful to witness such a plea.


You're not in the global mess and aren't suffering due to it.


Perfection will be possible, and of course it's wanted. Those who rail against it ought to be forced to go along with it. Defeatism and masochistic mediocrity are tools of the opulent tyrants, and ought to be brutally repudiated.

It's a nonsense phony idea that will never come to anything.

You know, if you're really suffering so much, why don't you make like the rest of us and self-terminate? Better yet, pretend to self-terminate so you'll be thrown into a mental ward where they WILL detain you for autism symptoms, regardless of whether or not they were at all related to the suicide attempt. Just make sure you have a "healthy" individual willing to vouch for you in case they try to hold you longer than you agreed to.

Then you can say that people like BB aren't part of any global mess.

I bet you would love to see that. Anyway, what is your point?

My point is in the last sentence.

the suggestion of a cure, to change the GENetIC makeup in a way that is deemed more desirable...

is EU-GENIC-S


eu for "good" it's an artifiical selection process for what is deemed desirable

one ought to point out that maybe susceptibility for cancer would be better to play around with first, or immunity to HIV maybe?


it's most likely this is an evolutionary stable gene strategy, and furthermore, it's most likely that people on the spectrum will be the only ones who would be able to determine who'd benefit and who wouldn't, and so on, because people on the spectrum are more or less the people who are most prone to being able to deal with complex things like this in a rational logical manner

making it a paradoxical belief, and thus null~

Why would it be paradoxical and null?

Hitler and Margaret Sanger started the whole eugenics movement in search of his idea of the perfect race. Margret Sanger founded Planned Parenthood. She wanted to wipe out blacks and the disabled. That's why the world is so screwed up today. We've gone from a culture of life to a culture of death over the course of the past 8 decades. Hitler's idea was to force a cure upon the entire disabled population. If those people couldn't be cured, his idea was to kill them via euthanasia so that the "healthy" people could benefit. That's how abortion came to be. We live in a culture of death and discrimination. Autism Speaks is carrying on that sick tradition by using their millions to develop a genetic test that will rule out autism. Because most people equate autism with that character in Rain Man or even worse Tommy in The Who's Tommy, they will be aborting their unborn autistic children and I feel that's very wrong. I feel that society as a whole needs to start respecting all human life again, from conception until natural death. Hitler and his little sidekick screwed the world up very badly. I feel that all bubs that are conceived should be born into this world, because every baby is a gift from God.

I prefer the word bub to the word fetus, because it's a much warmer thing to call an unborn baby.

Genetic cures/modifications don't have anything to do with killing living individuals/fetuses. Refrain from inciting such fear which discourages progress that cure would bring.

That is incorrect as Margaret Sanger is the one individual that is the most responsible for a reduction of abortion global wide, as she was the force behind the development of the pill as a safer version of birth control than illegal unsafe abortions that were common during her time. Margaret Sanger is considered the major force behind the civil rights of women in the US, and one of the most influential people of the last century.

All types of birth control are methods of liberal eugenics, however the contraceptives that Margaret Sanger provided for nation wide use, saved many women's lives, and was an alternative to unsafe illegal abortions, and is now a safe alternative for any type of abortion legal or illegal world-wide.

Adolf Hitler, was a proponent of classical eugenics that were state enforced, only specific to his regime while it lasted. He had absolutely nothing to do with Margaret Sanger or effective contraceptives. Margaret Sanger saved lives and her heroism in the last century continues to be a the source of a force that saves lives globally. Hitler killed millions of people, and does not belong in the same sentence with a hero of the last century.

Autism Speaks does not provide funding for a prenatal test for autism, their research is clearly documented, and there is no proof of that claim, as well as a direct statement from the organization that they are not planning on funding a prenatal test for autism. Research for a prenatal test for autism is ongoing in a 5 year study in Australia and a similar 5 year study at the UC Davis Mind Institute in California; the US research is funded by the National Institutes of Health, and the research in Australia is funded by sources in Australia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

That generalization, per advantage in dealing with complex things in a rational logical manner, does not match the data that currently exists associated with the full spectrum as 38% of all individuals identified in the 1 in 88 statistic of those diagnosed on the spectrum have co-morbid intellectual disability, 24% have border line intellectual disability, and 38% have average to above average intelligence measured in standard measures of IQ. 90% of individuals identified and diagnosed on the spectrum do not maintain full time employment, and 80% identified and diagnosed on the spectrum still live with their parents for support.

9% of the 1 in 88 are diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome, which has been recently identified associated with androgynous features as well as attenuated gender differences in the brain of males and females with Aspergers Syndrome. The biological factors that underlie what has been identified as Aspergers syndrome are likely much different that those that underlie many other subgroups on the spectrum. Approximately 1 in 900 individuals are identified diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome with an average IQ measured at 98, slightly below the average of the general population. There are a lot of internet myths associated with the spectrum that don't pan out in actual statistical data coming from peer reviewed research.

There is positive liberal eugenics and negative liberal eugenics. Most of the liberal eugenics in the US that occurs is a result of Birth control that is selective and as likely to lead to negative eugenics as it is to positive eugenics as those that are robust and healthy have the same opportunity not to reproduce as anyone else.

HIV is not a genetic disorder, it is a virus, and cancer can be a result of the environment alone, so direct genetic manipulation is of little to no use in the prevention of HIV and little potential use to prevent Cancer and of no use as a cure for either disease once one has acquired them.

Epigenetics or the environmental influence on genetics, can be potentially influenced during the course of one lifetime per physical and mental characteristics, in positive and negative ways. There is the potential that those factors of environmental assault leading to the negative impact on genetics in the course of one lifetime, including the potential of underlying factors associated with some subgroups of autism spectrum disorders can be controlled prenatally and beyond. But, epigenetics also occurs through the course of one lifetime depending on the environment one chooses to be exposed to including conscious choice in areas as simple as whether one exercises on a regular basis, turning on the genetic switches associated with physiology per muscular, neurological, and skeletal changes, as well as all other systems of the body.

Beyond this whether or not one is eventually actually diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder can be potentially prevented through the process of neuroplasticity and alterations in the exposure to cultural/social factors that may lead to the development of impairments that work together to make a disorder rather than a difference among some subgroups on the spectrum. For some it could be as easy as physical activity and moderate levels of social interaction instead of a youth spent playing video games.

The basic idea behind cure is to allow one the ability for self care and some level of independence in life; one must consider the complexity of the spectrum, the different levels of disability, as well as thousands of potential underlying factors of what is defined as behavioral impairments labeled as an autism spectrum disorder among the many subgroups of individuals that comprise the entire spectrum. Along with the remediation of symptoms associated with what is defined as autism spectrum disorders.

The influence of epigenetics and the cultural/social factors influencing the process of neuroplasticity and making new connections in the brain are just two examples that may not require any actual direct genetic manipulation, instead alterations of factors associated with environmental influence indirectly impacting neurology and genetics, resulting in behavior that is no longer categorized as impairment, disorder, disability, or an autism spectrum disorder.

The potential for prevention of a label of a disorder, if one want to refer to that as a cure, may be the highest among those currently understood as having the propensity for what is currently described as Aspergers Syndrome, perhaps in some as simple as reducing exposure to electronic media devices during childhood, connecting more with humans, and engaging in more physical activity, or what one might refer to what humans are actually evolved for, per the last several hundred thousand years.

It's very possible that exposure to modern culture and all it's byproducts is what underlies some cases of what eventually is labeled as Aspergers Syndrome as an actual disorder where the symptoms work together to impair one in an important area of life functioning, once one can no longer adapt to the cultural environment one is born into. It would be interesting to find out just how much control one might have if they knew which cultural activities to involve themselves in and avoid, but would definitely require parental knowledge and assistance for control at a very young age; no genetic manipulation may necessarily be required for some, but the knowledge will not be acquired without a great deal of longitudinal research, and comparison to different cultures, like the Amish that can be used as a control group of sorts, to isolate factors of modern cultural influence.

nice, my facetiousness is rebutted factually, you don't know how rare a treat that is

if I got you correct, you're saying that one could call social and environmental factor control as "able to be labelled a cure - for the disorder"

this I would argue would be better called "facilitation of the personality/a very specialized personality to prevent disorder" or something along those lines

obviously this can't occur for everyone, and there are limitations to this, some won't be able to live on their own properly

some won't need special treatment (of the ones who slip through the detection processes) who have the traits, and some with treatment can live on their own and hold a job/career

some however, will not get caught and not necessarily able to live on their own either - however with diagnostic capabilities in the right areas, this would be alleviated after an incident occurs

some will not be able to lead normal lives or relatively normal lives even with treatment, it's this group that I'd be okay with targeting for genetic treatments if I were okay with it at all, but I feel it is a bit sketchy to do such things as well, it's discomforting

Why aren't you okay with it? It's not really up to you anyway, as your permission is not sought. What is so "sketchy" about it? The way things are now is discomforting for those who would benefit from it.

I will not refrain from that, because I don't wish to be cured. There's nothing about me that needs to be cured. If anybody tried to cure me, that would be the first time that I attack anybody, and that person wouldn't be able to move for a week. I have no progress to make, because I've made that progress years ago, without fighting my autism. You sure like to push your agenda, don't you? You remind me a lot of ci. If I had the option between being cured and giving up my Kinks merchandise for a year, I'd rather give away my Kinks collection for a year. I can't believe that you're trying to convince the most anti-cure person on WP that a cure is a good thing. You'd better not try to hard, because you'll never be able to persuade me to see things your way. Autism is not a horrible disease that needs to be cured. Autism is a difference that should be celebrated. I don't want to be turned into a flaky NT, thank you very much.

Nobody is forcing you to be cured. You don't have any need to stop others from getting a cure. Others have lives they'd like to live. The agenda I push is one that would benefit a broad base of the autism spectrum. Ci is a great advocate. What is this particular "difference" that all autistics have? Lots of autistics have awful disabilities that prevent them from living independently. That is the issue. Cure is to get rid of such disability, not to get rid of some loosely defined definition of autism. Some autistics are privileged enough to have independent living skills, and they aren't the ones who need a cure.

The facetious nature of your comment went right over my head:).

Community wide Scans in South Korea show a prevalence of ASD's at 1 in 38, and community wide scans in Amish country show a prevalence of ASD's of 1 in 271. I think the vaccine theories can be ruled out, but there appears to be something associated with culture or the environment that is making the difference, at least between one of the most technological advanced countries in the world, and the least technologically advanced society in the US. The genetic propensities have likely always been there. It is environment and culture that has changed dramatically for human beings in just the last 30 years, as to how humans interact socially as well as physically, from a very young age. Actual genetic treatment, may be possible, but that potential is well into the distant future, as the genetics of autism are not well understood, or genetic manipulation.

The actual prevalence statistics when measured across the full population in the US, will likely be similar to the 1 in 38, in south Korea. Currently methodology is limited mostly to 8 year old children in classes for the developmentally disabled. Most of the voices heard on the internet, would not likely have been captured in that 1 in 88.

In my opinion cure is equivalent to remediation of symptoms, which is the way autism research addresses the issue. Unfortunately people can be highly offended as some look at the word cure to literally mean a cure as in a pill for an illness. The goal of cure as expressed in public service announcements comprises all the efforts associated with helping people with the identified disorders, from remediation of symptoms, to potential cures for co-morbid illness like GI problems, to accommodations, support, and acceptance for others. Part of that goal would also include prevention of symptoms potentially making a propensity of a disorder an actual disability for some as opposed to others.