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03 Jun 2014, 7:25 am

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Like many on the spectrum I have a hard time telling if audiences are laughing with a character or a character.


True so this is when ignorance becomes bliss. Laugh with the audience regardless. You know I tend to notice that it is our emotions that create social boundaries. This applies to everyone across the board. One of our human responsibilities is to keep our emotions in check. Letting our emotions dictate our actions becomes a primal instinct. We as humans are better than that and have evolved beyond submitting to our primal needs. This is a perfect setting to put our emotions in check. Submit ourselves to a little emotional hurt and smile then move on.



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03 Jun 2014, 1:09 pm

The big bang theory is such an awfully written show that I cant stand it, thats my main problem with it. How it makes autism the butt of the joke every time is just boring. You cant build a show on the whole oooh, look how impossibly difficult, completely selfish, extremely arrogant and awful he is aaaall the tiiiiimee *laugh track for eternity*.
But its the same routine with other characters on that show, Leonard is always the complete stereotype of nerd, howard is always the stereotype of a nerdy complete creep, Penny is uneducated blablabla and so on and on and on. I mean, ugh.

Once heard someone, an NT (superbright and analytical person) describe The big bang theory as "autism blackface", haha.

But seriously, everything can be turned it to a joke. That does not put it above criticism but there is no subject that cant be made in to humor. With anything you make fun of, there is someone in the world that will have an emotional reaction to it. So? Like I said, a joke does not mean = above critisism, not at all. But if you can laugh at something that might have made someone else feel a bit iffy, then how can you blame someone for laughing at something that makes you feel something. You can criticize something, but not hold a stranger accountable for how something made you feel, you know?
Like Steve Hughes said "What's wrong with being offended?
So what, be offended, nothing happens"

I dont mind aspie characters on shows. The are very often so extreme, they are asperger all the waaay and thats the whole character, done. But I think thats normal when just starting to introduce something like aspergers to tv. I think representation of aspie characters it really, really good. I actually love it. It makes me happy that its happening. I loved Abed on community. Hannibal is a show that I think does is really really well, although that guy is only told to be closer to the asperger side of the spectrum than to ...something else. But still, its something.

Sorry for the superlong post, its just such an interesting subject and I get excited!!


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04 Jun 2014, 12:48 am

When marketing a product usually any publicity good or bad is good for sales of said product. But we are humans. Publicity about us that leaves a negative impression will have negative implications for some of us. The seemingly widespread idea around here that bad publicity about us is better then none at all I believe just shows desperation. I find it humiliating. The argument for this is that we need to suffer being laughed at now because it is the first step towards eventual acceptance. This is wrong on 2 counts.


1. Even if the predicted positive scenario plays some spectromites will likely be hurt. Deliberately hurting people in the short term for long term gain is appalling
2. It might not work out as hoped and spectromites will have been hurt for nothing


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04 Jun 2014, 7:27 am

Zany wrote:
The big bang theory is such an awfully written show that I cant stand it,


You know I'm not sure in what way it is awfully written. Quite frankly for it's genre "sitcom" which stands for situational comedy I think they hit the mark. No it may not be your cup of tea for comedy but I wouldn't go as far and say it was badly written just because you didn't like it. The whole point of sitcom is to poke fun at everyday situations. The comedic punchline is stronger when you target a group ergo Asies/Nerds in this case. Then you highlight key areas in the group and turn them into comedic situations through coincidental circumstances. I think BBT hit the mark in those areas and delivered a strong sitcom. If you think otherwise I'm open to rebuttal.



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04 Jun 2014, 2:39 pm

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I actually think it's a good thing more movies and television shows are introducing aspie characters. I mean, at this point they are definitely portrayed in a stereotypical manner, but they have to start somewhere, and starting with characters like Sheldon Cooper is better than doing nothing at all. I can definitely see the media portrayal of aspie characters improving over time and becoming less stereotypical, much like the portrayal of other minorities.

I've actually been compared to Sheldon Cooper a couple of times, and I sometimes compare myself to him as well. Not only is he one of my favorite sitcom characters ever, he helps provide a convenient point of comparison when I'm trying to explain myself to people. :P


Ditto all the way.
Given recent events with guns, I would rather be compared to Sheldon Cooper than to Adam Lanza.


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19 Jun 2014, 7:48 am

I think this is an improvement on portrayals of the recent past, (although I do worry about the article's statistics, which appear to refer to the 1 in 160 *children* with ASD as being the portion of the general population with AS).

However, comments like this (from below the article)

"Not to excuse how such jokes would hurt those with Asperger's as make them feel as though society is making a mockery of their condition, but the reality is the exact opposite. The ones being mocked and ridiculed are those who exhibit some of the very worst traits of Asperger's and have no legitimate excuse for doing so"

Show we still have a long way to go.

Taking a cynical view, I can see one downside to broader public awareness of the condition. If people can more easily recognise those of us on the spectrum, it may lead the unscrupulous individuals in society to think they can take advantage of this fact.



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19 Jun 2014, 8:10 am

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IMHO all the guys in TBBT and two of the three girls could be considered portrayals of Aspergers.

Yeah, definitely.

I didn't use to like the show, but I found the later episodes to be much better, which made me watch some earlier ones and now I'm hooked on TBBT!


I saw the first few episodes, and hated it. Not because of 'AS' but rather every joke was 100% recycled. Then I was shown some of season 3 or so, which was much better - lots of jokes at the expense of the pseudo-academic nonsense which surrounds us, and less "2D paper cutout" characters.



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20 Jun 2014, 11:20 pm

I have Aspergers and I love Sheldon Cooper, pardon me, I mean Dr. Sheldon Cooper. I get the joke. TBBT laughs with Sheldon and at Sheldon simultaneously. The laughing at him is like the ribbing you get from your best friend or brother. They're laughing at you because they know your proclivities so intimately the predictability seems cartoonish.(this goes for Aspie's or NT). At the same time they still love you. There's not a good English word for that kind of semi-antagonistic caring relationship.



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23 Jun 2014, 2:34 pm

Sheldon can make it really easy for me to introduce people to my diagnosis. I make sure to tell them that he is a caricature, which people understand. But I have to be honest, how "hollywood" portrays just about everything is way off base. From people with Southern accents to surfer dudes.

I like BBT - it is funny - but also, because I really wish that I had friends like Sheldon's - that know he is an absolute mess, but still choose to spend time with him.

If only I had a laugh track for every time I gave out 'incredibly interesting' information to my co-workers and family members. Who isn't absolutely blown away by the fact that Grandaddy Long Legs (Harvestmen) are more closely related to scorpions than spiders? And that Fireflies are actually beetles.



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25 Jun 2014, 4:20 pm

TBBT is a comedy, and sheldon does well in it.

What annoys me more is the lead not being an aspie when he'd also fit under the umbrella. I think if people understood the contrast in the two characters they'd have more realistic version of what we are.

The one thing I really like about sheldon is that he distances us from the idea that we are always victims. Sheldon shows a rather socially independent personally contrasted to other interpretations that have us at the mercy of NTs.



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30 Jun 2014, 6:08 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I actually think it's a good thing more movies and television shows are introducing aspie characters. I mean, at this point they are definitely portrayed in a stereotypical manner, but they have to start somewhere, and starting with characters like Sheldon Cooper is better than doing nothing at all. I can definitely see the media portrayal of aspie characters improving over time and becoming less stereotypical, much like the portrayal of other minorities.

I've actually been compared to Sheldon Cooper a couple of times, and I sometimes compare myself to him as well. Not only is he one of my favorite sitcom characters ever, he helps provide a convenient point of comparison when I'm trying to explain myself to people. :P


I'm the same way.



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11 Jul 2014, 10:28 am

Sheldon Cooper is my absolute f***ing hero.


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12 Jul 2014, 2:32 pm

freddie_mercury wrote:
Sheldon can make it really easy for me to introduce people to my diagnosis. I make sure to tell them that he is a caricature, which people understand. But I have to be honest, how "hollywood" portrays just about everything is way off base. From people with Southern accents to surfer dudes.

I like BBT - it is funny - but also, because I really wish that I had friends like Sheldon's - that know he is an absolute mess, but still choose to spend time with him.

If only I had a laugh track for every time I gave out 'incredibly interesting' information to my co-workers and family members. Who isn't absolutely blown away by the fact that Grandaddy Long Legs (Harvestmen) are more closely related to scorpions than spiders? And that Fireflies are actually beetles.


I agree, and these cariacatures are a good way to get the conversation going.



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13 Jul 2014, 10:13 pm

HereBeDragons wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I actually think it's a good thing more movies and television shows are introducing aspie characters. I mean, at this point they are definitely portrayed in a stereotypical manner, but they have to start somewhere, and starting with characters like Sheldon Cooper is better than doing nothing at all. I can definitely see the media portrayal of aspie characters improving over time and becoming less stereotypical, much like the portrayal of other minorities.

I've actually been compared to Sheldon Cooper a couple of times, and I sometimes compare myself to him as well. Not only is he one of my favorite sitcom characters ever, he helps provide a convenient point of comparison when I'm trying to explain myself to people. :P


Ditto all the way.
Given recent events with guns, I would rather be compared to Sheldon Cooper than to Adam Lanza.


I'd also rather be compared to Sheldon. I'd rather be teased and loved than feared and respected.


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14 Jul 2014, 2:22 am

I connected with Sheldon before I connected Sheldon with Asperger's or got diagnosed myself.

And, just to be an anal retentive here, TBBT doesn't utilize a laugh track. They film in front of a live studio audience with microphones planted to record the laughs.

Anyway, back on topic, I don't recall the episode where Sheldon got diagnosed with or even tested for Asperger's. If exhibiting the symptoms of Asperger's is enough for a diagnosis, then why did I have to suffer through about 4 hours of testing?

I'm always amazed when people come out and diagnosis television characters with this disorder or that one based on the very limited behavior depicted (we're not talking about something in real time, like "24"--we're talking about shows that often condense 2-3 days into one under 30 minute episode), when, in real life, even seeing how that character behaves second by second over the course of a few years isn't even actually good enough for a diagnosis.

Hollywood isn't making a joke out of Asperger's until they actually give a character Asperger's and make a joke out of them, which I'm yet to see.



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15 Jul 2014, 6:33 am

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Hollywood isn't making a joke out of Asperger's until they actually give a character Asperger's and make a joke out of them, which I'm yet to see.


I agree.


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