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25 Jul 2014, 8:53 pm

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... but this stuff is ll abstract and chemical and experiences, its not physical in the same way and it can be changed if you put your mind to it and its not like being mentally ret*d where somethings seriously defective. you can change your life and YOU CAN make things work. just know that i believe in you and that I'm sure people a lot closer then i am believe in you which is really what matters most. you can get a job.

I find this to be offensive. "ret*d" was a term used before they had proper diagnostic criteria. It is now a meaningless and only used as an insult. But what really bothers me about your post is your claim that chemicals are not physical. For heaven's sake. We're physically made up of all kinds of chemicals and tinkering with them is a universe of opportunity (for good and bad.)
You cannot think yourself out of being autistic. I've tried, you can't. Controlling your thoughts can only take you so far.

im using it strictly in the medical sense. I'm referring to people who actually have that. I'm sorry if anyone thought i was calling them a ret*d and that was not my intention.



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25 Jul 2014, 8:56 pm

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first of all it was the 70s: id say every medication you could ever want was right in front of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaqQhdt1qqk
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second of all i honestly feel like i have to be here in a way but thats kinda besides the point.


I agree, weed is helpful. But honestly, Serequel has been the best medication I've taken.

i don't actually do drugs, i was just being a smartass.



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25 Jul 2014, 8:59 pm

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i don't actually do drugs, i was just being a smartass.


Totally missed that. :? :lol: :?



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25 Jul 2014, 9:05 pm

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Truth be told, I don't think I have a lot of traits that would make me employable. I'm lazy, I'm practically nocturnal, I don't like dealing with people, I don't like dealing with sanitation or handling anything gross, and the last time I had a job, I spent nearly all of my time watching the clock.

plenty of stoners have part time jobs at the very least and they fit that description perfectly. also i can think of quite a few jobs that don't require handling gross s**t. mailmen,psychologists,ceos,firemen,police officers,professors,child care if your not dealing with kids under a certain age, telemarketing, the list goes on. get of your ass and go out there and get a job. yowl get payed and women don't like a guy who sits on his couch all day eating nachos.



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25 Jul 2014, 9:07 pm

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i don't actually do drugs, i was just being a smartass.


Totally missed that. :? :lol: :?

its okay,were communicating through a means in which there is no facial expressions or tones of voice. tone isn't something that is easy to figure out.



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25 Jul 2014, 9:12 pm

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While plenty of autistic people do succeed in their careers, I think a lot of us who don't succeed aren't at fault ourselves. Society isn't set up for us to work, really. For one thing, to get most jobs, you have to do an interview. What kind of people are bad at social interaction, talking about themselves, and the kind of minor deceit that job interviews encourage? Autistic people. Then, if you get the job, there are more parameters that don't work for us -- the social atmosphere of work, doing customer service, dealing with stress, following verbal instructions, fluorescent lights...

And of course, there's no real support for invisible disabilities/mental health issues. You can't go home if you have a shutdown. You can't take days off because you can't bear to talk to anyone. There's no one to help you organize your tasks, the way you might get in school (if you're lucky).

Like, I'm quite intelligent. I could do a lot of different things, but because of the places my impairments are (memory, executive functioning), I can't do them without help. But in the adult world, no one wants to help you. It's stupid and we need to overhaul a lot of systems that are in place so everyone has a fair shot.

well then you need to work on things rather then making excuses and sitting on your ass and eating chips. those are all fairly minor things, I'm sure you can fix them if you put your mind to it. honestly this sounds more like being mildly ditzy then it does like a crippling disability. i think if you put your mind to it you could get a job. you start playing a lot of puzzle games like Tetris and stuff a lot and you could probably fix the whole executive functioning bit that easy. you should start doing sedoku and stuff as well. start reading longer books and memorizing stuff from wikipedia. there are a lot of ways you could handle these things. just try harder and make things work. frankly there are some pretty simple physical labour jobs that probably wouldn't even require that much memory anyway, i think if you put your mid to it you can make it all work out, like i said you seem to think your in a wheelchair or something but this stuff is ll abstract and chemical and experiences, its not physical in the same way and it can be changed if you put your mind to it.

HAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

While I'd be the first to admit that on top of my autism and stuff I am "mildly ditzy", trust me, I can't just up and fix myself with Tetris. If I could fix my brain with logic puzzles and Wikipedia I'd be flippin' Bill Gates by now.


no but I'm sure theres some way you can work on things and fix it and none of this should prevent you from getting a job doing extremely basic manual labour. honestly i think your limiting yourself more then anything.



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25 Jul 2014, 9:18 pm

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While plenty of autistic people do succeed in their careers, I think a lot of us who don't succeed aren't at fault ourselves. Society isn't set up for us to work, really. For one thing, to get most jobs, you have to do an interview. What kind of people are bad at social interaction, talking about themselves, and the kind of minor deceit that job interviews encourage? Autistic people. Then, if you get the job, there are more parameters that don't work for us -- the social atmosphere of work, doing customer service, dealing with stress, following verbal instructions, fluorescent lights...

And of course, there's no real support for invisible disabilities/mental health issues. You can't go home if you have a shutdown. You can't take days off because you can't bear to talk to anyone. There's no one to help you organize your tasks, the way you might get in school (if you're lucky).

Like, I'm quite intelligent. I could do a lot of different things, but because of the places my impairments are (memory, executive functioning), I can't do them without help. But in the adult world, no one wants to help you. It's stupid and we need to overhaul a lot of systems that are in place so everyone has a fair shot.

well then you need to work on things rather then making excuses and sitting on your ass and eating chips. those are all fairly minor things, I'm sure you can fix them if you put your mind to it. honestly this sounds more like being mildly ditzy then it does like a crippling disability. i think if you put your mind to it you could get a job. you start playing a lot of puzzle games like Tetris and stuff a lot and you could probably fix the whole executive functioning bit that easy. you should start doing sedoku and stuff as well. start reading longer books and memorizing stuff from wikipedia. there are a lot of ways you could handle these things. just try harder and make things work. frankly there are some pretty simple physical labour jobs that probably wouldn't even require that much memory anyway, i think if you put your mid to it you can make it all work out, like i said you seem to think your in a wheelchair or something but this stuff is ll abstract and chemical and experiences, its not physical in the same way and it can be changed if you put your mind to it.

HAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

While I'd be the first to admit that on top of my autism and stuff I am "mildly ditzy", trust me, I can't just up and fix myself with Tetris. If I could fix my brain with logic puzzles and Wikipedia I'd be flippin' Bill Gates by now.


no but I'm sure theres some way you can work on things and fix it and none of this should prevent you from getting a job doing extremely basic manual labour. honestly i think your limiting yourself more then anything.

Who says I'm not? I have a lot of difficulties with a lot of stuff, but I have a psychologist and a specialist and supportive parents. I do what I can do, they do what they can do. In a few months I should be back in university.

Like I said, I can do stuff if I get the right help. My examples weren't specific to me, they're an agglomeration of things I've heard from both myself and other autistic people.



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25 Jul 2014, 9:19 pm

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... but this stuff is ll abstract and chemical and experiences, its not physical in the same way and it can be changed if you put your mind to it and its not like being mentally ret*d where somethings seriously defective. you can change your life and YOU CAN make things work. just know that i believe in you and that I'm sure people a lot closer then i am believe in you which is really what matters most. you can get a job.

I find this to be offensive. "ret*d" was a term used before they had proper diagnostic criteria. It is now a meaningless and only used as an insult. But what really bothers me about your post is your claim that chemicals are not physical. For heaven's sake. We're physically made up of all kinds of chemicals and tinkering with them is a universe of opportunity (for good and bad.)
You cannot think yourself out of being autistic. I've tried, you can't. Controlling your thoughts can only take you so far.

hasn't been my experience. my experience has been that people taught me how to act normal and then i decided what kind of person i was going to bend then really everything was fine. i at the very least think that if you went and saw a shrink and took up meditation you could defiantly improve your life.



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25 Jul 2014, 9:20 pm

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... but this stuff is ll abstract and chemical and experiences, its not physical in the same way and it can be changed if you put your mind to it and its not like being mentally ret*d where somethings seriously defective. you can change your life and YOU CAN make things work. just know that i believe in you and that I'm sure people a lot closer then i am believe in you which is really what matters most. you can get a job.

I find this to be offensive. "ret*d" was a term used before they had proper diagnostic criteria. It is now a meaningless and only used as an insult. But what really bothers me about your post is your claim that chemicals are not physical. For heaven's sake. We're physically made up of all kinds of chemicals and tinkering with them is a universe of opportunity (for good and bad.)
You cannot think yourself out of being autistic. I've tried, you can't. Controlling your thoughts can only take you so far.

hasn't been my experience. my experience has been that people taught me how to act normal and then i decided what kind of person i was going to bend then really everything was fine. i at the very least think that if you went and saw a shrink and took up meditation you could defiantly improve your life.



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25 Jul 2014, 9:22 pm

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While plenty of autistic people do succeed in their careers, I think a lot of us who don't succeed aren't at fault ourselves. Society isn't set up for us to work, really. For one thing, to get most jobs, you have to do an interview. What kind of people are bad at social interaction, talking about themselves, and the kind of minor deceit that job interviews encourage? Autistic people. Then, if you get the job, there are more parameters that don't work for us -- the social atmosphere of work, doing customer service, dealing with stress, following verbal instructions, fluorescent lights...

And of course, there's no real support for invisible disabilities/mental health issues. You can't go home if you have a shutdown. You can't take days off because you can't bear to talk to anyone. There's no one to help you organize your tasks, the way you might get in school (if you're lucky).

Like, I'm quite intelligent. I could do a lot of different things, but because of the places my impairments are (memory, executive functioning), I can't do them without help. But in the adult world, no one wants to help you. It's stupid and we need to overhaul a lot of systems that are in place so everyone has a fair shot.

well then you need to work on things rather then making excuses and sitting on your ass and eating chips. those are all fairly minor things, I'm sure you can fix them if you put your mind to it. honestly this sounds more like being mildly ditzy then it does like a crippling disability. i think if you put your mind to it you could get a job. you start playing a lot of puzzle games like Tetris and stuff a lot and you could probably fix the whole executive functioning bit that easy. you should start doing sedoku and stuff as well. start reading longer books and memorizing stuff from wikipedia. there are a lot of ways you could handle these things. just try harder and make things work. frankly there are some pretty simple physical labour jobs that probably wouldn't even require that much memory anyway, i think if you put your mid to it you can make it all work out, like i said you seem to think your in a wheelchair or something but this stuff is ll abstract and chemical and experiences, its not physical in the same way and it can be changed if you put your mind to it.

HAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

While I'd be the first to admit that on top of my autism and stuff I am "mildly ditzy", trust me, I can't just up and fix myself with Tetris. If I could fix my brain with logic puzzles and Wikipedia I'd be flippin' Bill Gates by now.


no but I'm sure theres some way you can work on things and fix it and none of this should prevent you from getting a job doing extremely basic manual labour. honestly i think your limiting yourself more then anything.

Who says I'm not? I have a lot of difficulties with a lot of stuff, but I have a psychologist and a specialist and supportive parents. I do what I can do, they do what they can do. In a few months I should be back in university.

Like I said, I can do stuff if I get the right help. My examples weren't specific to me, they're an agglomeration of things I've heard from both myself and other autistic people.
do something productive with your life. and don't tell me you can't do that because trust me when i say everyone can.honestly the fact that your in a university makes me think you'll be fine.



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25 Jul 2014, 9:28 pm

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hasn't been my experience. my experience has been that people taught me how to act normal and then i decided what kind of person i was going to bend then really everything was fine. i at the very least think that if you went and saw a shrink and took up meditation you could defiantly improve your life.


I am glad that you are able to act normal as this seems to be important to you. I am curious as to your experience of the transformation to everything being fine. I haven't been able to achieve this.



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25 Jul 2014, 9:35 pm

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Who says I'm not? I have a lot of difficulties with a lot of stuff, but I have a psychologist and a specialist and supportive parents. I do what I can do, they do what they can do. In a few months I should be back in university.

Like I said, I can do stuff if I get the right help. My examples weren't specific to me, they're an agglomeration of things I've heard from both myself and other autistic people.

do something productive with your life. and don't tell me you can't do that because trust me when i say everyone can.honestly the fact that your in a university makes me think you'll be fine.

That's the plan, lol. If everything goes the way I'm trying to go, there may come a time when this forum will be required to call me Dr. Brackets.



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25 Jul 2014, 9:37 pm

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Who says I'm not? I have a lot of difficulties with a lot of stuff, but I have a psychologist and a specialist and supportive parents. I do what I can do, they do what they can do. In a few months I should be back in university.

Like I said, I can do stuff if I get the right help. My examples weren't specific to me, they're an agglomeration of things I've heard from both myself and other autistic people.

do something productive with your life. and don't tell me you can't do that because trust me when i say everyone can.honestly the fact that your in a university makes me think you'll be fine.

That's the plan, lol. If everything goes the way I'm trying to go, there may come a time when this forum will be required to call me Dr. Brackets.

i think it probably will, the worst any of what you said could make you is ditzy or mildly obnoxious. id be amazed if you couldn't make it out there.



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the-comander wrote:
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the-comander wrote:
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Who says I'm not? I have a lot of difficulties with a lot of stuff, but I have a psychologist and a specialist and supportive parents. I do what I can do, they do what they can do. In a few months I should be back in university.

Like I said, I can do stuff if I get the right help. My examples weren't specific to me, they're an agglomeration of things I've heard from both myself and other autistic people.

do something productive with your life. and don't tell me you can't do that because trust me when i say everyone can.honestly the fact that your in a university makes me think you'll be fine.

That's the plan, lol. If everything goes the way I'm trying to go, there may come a time when this forum will be required to call me Dr. Brackets.

i think it probably will, the worst any of what you said could make you is ditzy or mildly obnoxious. id be amazed if you couldn't make it out there.

Eh, it's worse than you're giving it credit for, in my opinion, but thanks for the faith.



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26 Jul 2014, 2:43 am

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While plenty of autistic people do succeed in their careers, I think a lot of us who don't succeed aren't at fault ourselves. Society isn't set up for us to work, really. For one thing, to get most jobs, you have to do an interview. What kind of people are bad at social interaction, talking about themselves, and the kind of minor deceit that job interviews encourage? Autistic people. Then, if you get the job, there are more parameters that don't work for us -- the social atmosphere of work, doing customer service, dealing with stress, following verbal instructions, fluorescent lights...

And of course, there's no real support for invisible disabilities/mental health issues. You can't go home if you have a shutdown. You can't take days off because you can't bear to talk to anyone. There's no one to help you organize your tasks, the way you might get in school (if you're lucky).

Like, I'm quite intelligent. I could do a lot of different things, but because of the places my impairments are (memory, executive functioning), I can't do them without help. But in the adult world, no one wants to help you. It's stupid and we need to overhaul a lot of systems that are in place so everyone has a fair shot.

well then you need to work on things rather then making excuses and sitting on your ass and eating chips. those are all fairly minor things, I'm sure you can fix them if you put your mind to it. honestly this sounds more like being mildly ditzy then it does like a crippling disability. i think if you put your mind to it you could get a job. you start playing a lot of puzzle games like Tetris and stuff a lot and you could probably fix the whole executive functioning bit that easy. you should start doing sedoku and stuff as well. start reading longer books and memorizing stuff from wikipedia. there are a lot of ways you could handle these things. just try harder and make things work. frankly there are some pretty simple physical labour jobs that probably wouldn't even require that much memory anyway, i think if you put your mid to it you can make it all work out, like i said you seem to think your in a wheelchair or something but this stuff is ll abstract and chemical and experiences, its not physical in the same way and it can be changed if you put your mind to it.

HAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

While I'd be the first to admit that on top of my autism and stuff I am "mildly ditzy", trust me, I can't just up and fix myself with Tetris. If I could fix my brain with logic puzzles and Wikipedia I'd be flippin' Bill Gates by now.


Yeah. Seriously.
Tetris is not the cure.


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Ann2011 wrote:
the-comander wrote:
... but this stuff is ll abstract and chemical and experiences, its not physical in the same way and it can be changed if you put your mind to it and its not like being mentally ret*d where somethings seriously defective. you can change your life and YOU CAN make things work. just know that i believe in you and that I'm sure people a lot closer then i am believe in you which is really what matters most. you can get a job.

I find this to be offensive. "ret*d" was a term used before they had proper diagnostic criteria. It is now a meaningless and only used as an insult. But what really bothers me about your post is your claim that chemicals are not physical. For heaven's sake. We're physically made up of all kinds of chemicals and tinkering with them is a universe of opportunity (for good and bad.)
You cannot think yourself out of being autistic. I've tried, you can't. Controlling your thoughts can only take you so far.

hasn't been my experience. my experience has been that people taught me how to act normal and then i decided what kind of person i was going to bend then really everything was fine. i at the very least think that if you went and saw a shrink and took up meditation you could defiantly improve your life.


Try playing Wordoku, maybe you'll fix your literacy.


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