beneficii wrote:
And, again, there is that fact that war tends to be instigated by men, becoming a self-created problem.
As for microaggressions, I must admt that I think lower of you because of your dismissal of these experiences.
No war isn't something that's simply created by men, that's sexist.
beneficii wrote:
Consider this for women: The widespread discimination in society (that is now done in a very quiet manner), the objectification (especially the sexual objectification), the expectation that girls and women take passive roles, the widespread violence committed by men compared to women* (and which is often directed against women), the rampant misogyny in society, and other systematic and widespread problems.
No there isn't "widespread discrimination," it's only feminists and SJW's that are referring to women as objects. That's complete nonsense, being sexually attracted to someone doesn't mean you think they're an object. People aren't sexually attracted to objects like cheese graters or toaster ovens. Being sexually attracted to potential partners, is part and parcel of human biology, not "rampant misogyny."
Same with "rampant misogyny," and just like "sexual objectification" we can see examples, where incredibly hateful people cast aspersions of misogyny to fit their own agenda, as a way of reaching for an reason to hate, classic example being GamerGate.
beneficii wrote:
Since this is turning into something of a Gish gallop,
Basically, you need to learn to look at the views of feminists with a more open mind.
No it wasn't gish gallop -- You made all these inconsistencies in your arguments, and she refuted them, one by one -- That's not gish gallop.
When you say stuff like "look at feminism with an open mind," that's being very ignorant of what feminism is, it's not gish gallop to link you to something that might educate you about these things. If you're in support of feminism as a whole, then it's you that needs to open your mind and look at all the evidence presented.
beneficii wrote:
It is unfortunate that so-called men's rights activists blame most of their problems on girls and women when they should be looking at other boys and men.
MRA's are doing no such thing. MRA groups are centred around the child custody issues that men face. The very real issues of parents not even being allowed to see their kids in some cases. These problems shouldn't be whitewashed with "Oh, they're just blaming women for their problems," that's disgraceful.
beneficii wrote:
If a man with Asperger's syndrome feels entitled to a woman, that is not the autism, but male socialization. (Indeed, it would seem that many men feel entitled to women and sex.) Confusing that aspect of male socialization with autism may be harmful to autistic people.
Again, this is from hateful people, reaching for an excuse to hate. I've seen people blame all sorts of crazy things as the cause of an imaginary "misogynistic culture," but blaming self help books takes the cake.
Writing a self help book on relationships, does not equate to giving people this idea that they're "entitled to a woman's body." AS people, men especially, usually have their first date, in their 30's. There are lots of issues when it comes to AS people and relationships, and to turn around and misrepresent any attempt to address these problems as "misogyny" and "sexual entitlement," "Oh, they're just trying to brainwash men into thinking that they're entitled to women's bodies," saying something along those lines.
No, it's not indicative of that. It's people trying to help other people, that need help, in area that's problematic. To say no, it's just a cover to spread misogyny, is absolutely disgusting.
beneficii wrote:
As an autistic woman herself, Emma seems exasperated by the constant attention given to this issue and these negative ramifications.
I think this fundamental misunderstanding may be what is at issue. You are mistaking an expression of exasperation for real hate.
No, she's not just being exasperated. The points she's making, she's taking something benign and turning it into something totally different, and incredibly ridiculous. It's "Oh, these books that men make, that are brainwashing boys into thing they're entitled to my body! And the women are thought of as stupid when these men rape them!"
The biology of male and female, has marched, lock-step together, throughout evolutionary history. To say there's this species of women, and then there's this species of man, and that is how she's stating all these things, is just absolutely ridiculous. Being a flat-earther, sounds more logical, it's ridiculous. It's insane that there are all these feminists out there, that actually believe this kind of BS.
She's gone right for the generalisation fallacy, and grossly misquoted, for a self help book on relationships of all things. "Oh, because of this book, men do this and this to women," and it's a tremendous amount of w*k.
How about, instead of this hateful garbage, we have fair and due process for all people? How about that? You can't have that by being divisive, and having a complete lack of empathy for people having relationship issues. You can't have that by hating, trashing, and gender profiling. That's NOT a strategy, that's sexist, and there's a lot of bigotry in Emma's blog posts. That's NOT how we go about building bridges to our fellow human beings, that's hate mongering, and it has no place within the AS community.
03 Jul 2015, 12:51 am
