Is it OK to be autistic and not embrace autistic culture?

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22 Mar 2016, 4:41 am

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To be honest, I don't want to be a part of the cult "disability rights" movement either. I'm fine with telling people I have autism. I wouldn't want to shove it down anyone's throat though. I'm also okay with telling people I'm LGBTQ, but I don't want to shove it down anyone's throat. And what this group entitlement mentality about "rights" you should have?

I agrees with you, I'm much more than just the autism lable, I'm open about it only with close friends but this ''Pride'' thing seems like a weird thing now



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24 Mar 2016, 9:13 pm

You do not have to be a stereotype of what you see others being. Think for yourself, be yourself. I'd rather be hated for being different, then loved for being the same. When I saw the title of this post I thought you were gunna say "do I have to like anime?" lol


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29 Mar 2016, 7:58 pm

Of course it's perfectly fine. The idea of an autistic "culture" is a joke. It's promoters oppose ABA, which was crucial in getting me to talk and write posts like these. I can't stand the autism "rights" or the neurodiversity movements.



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I was diagnosed with autism when I was four years old. Now I am in my mid-teens and I have been looking at how the internet sees autism. I came across the autistic rights movement when I was 15. I like the idea of how the members want people to treat them right and have autism recognised as not being a disorder, but I feel I don't fit in with the autistic culture. I just think I don't meet the criteria for it because:

1. I rarely, if ever, stim. As a kid, I used to stim quite a bit (mostly spinning round objects), but I don't do it so much now that I'm a teenager. I don't even own a single stim toy. (I am pro-stim btw)

2. I have learned to cope with my sensory issues and anxiety very well over the years. They were very bad when I was a kid, but now they are only mild and under control.

3. I'm not that offended by the concept of curing autism (it does bug me a bit), but I do think we should be accepting it more as a difference.

4. Autistic culture supporters seem to only ever talk about autism. I prefer varied conversations and if I were an autistic culture supporter, I would talk about so much more than autism (e.g. what I am doing in my life etc).

5. Spelling autism with a capital A REALLY bugs me because it's not a person's name or a brand, unlike Asperger syndrome, which was named after Hans Asperger. I get that it's because people identify with the culture, much like how deaf people use "Deaf" if they identify with their culture.

6. I sometimes worry about what people will think if they find out I'm autistic.

Just so you know, I am anti-Autism Speaks. I don't feel it's right to research into a cure for autism, especially if you only cater towards families with autistic kids and not autistic people as a whole. I just want to know if it's OK to be autistic and not embrace the culture, if there are any like-minded people here, please feel free to reply. Thanks :D


Yep, you can do that.

As others have said, the penultimate statement of things like diversity and tolerance is saying, "We can agree to disagree, and still like each other at the end of the day. We can even talk about it, and possibly learn from each other in a mutual exchange between imperfect but equally valid beings."

"Autistic culture" right now has a lot of extremism and a lot of bitterness. Those things are, OK, certainly understandable and somewhat justified by the experiences of older autistics (hint: I have a daughter a year younger than you, and I didn't start remarkably young, and I'm a pup compared to some vocal activists).

If you, as a young female, don't feel those bitternesses, traumas, and antagonistic resentments, that's a good sign. It means either you got lucky, or things are getting better.


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I was diagnosed with autism when I was four years old. Now I am in my mid-teens and I have been looking at how the internet sees autism. I came across the autistic rights movement when I was 15. I like the idea of how the members want people to treat them right and have autism recognised as not being a disorder, but I feel I don't fit in with the autistic culture. I just think I don't meet the criteria for it because:

1. I rarely, if ever, stim. As a kid, I used to stim quite a bit (mostly spinning round objects), but I don't do it so much now that I'm a teenager. I don't even own a single stim toy. (I am pro-stim btw)

2. I have learned to cope with my sensory issues and anxiety very well over the years. They were very bad when I was a kid, but now they are only mild and under control.

3. I'm not that offended by the concept of curing autism (it does bug me a bit), but I do think we should be accepting it more as a difference.

4. Autistic culture supporters seem to only ever talk about autism. I prefer varied conversations and if I were an autistic culture supporter, I would talk about so much more than autism (e.g. what I am doing in my life etc).

5. Spelling autism with a capital A REALLY bugs me because it's not a person's name or a brand, unlike Asperger syndrome, which was named after Hans Asperger. I get that it's because people identify with the culture, much like how deaf people use "Deaf" if they identify with their culture.

6. I sometimes worry about what people will think if they find out I'm autistic.

Just so you know, I am anti-Autism Speaks. I don't feel it's right to research into a cure for autism, especially if you only cater towards families with autistic kids and not autistic people as a whole. I just want to know if it's OK to be autistic and not embrace the culture, if there are any like-minded people here, please feel free to reply. Thanks :D


Yep, you can do that.

As others have said, the penultimate statement of things like diversity and tolerance is saying, "We can agree to disagree, and still like each other at the end of the day. We can even talk about it, and possibly learn from each other in a mutual exchange between imperfect but equally valid beings."

"Autistic culture" right now has a lot of extremism and a lot of bitterness. Those things are, OK, certainly understandable and somewhat justified by the experiences of older autistics (hint: I have a daughter a year younger than you, and I didn't start remarkably young, and I'm a pup compared to some vocal activists).

If you, as a young female, don't feel those bitternesses, traumas, and antagonistic resentments, that's a good sign. It means either you got lucky, or things are getting better.

There is no justification for the bitterness and hate of the autistic "rights" movement and the neurodiversity movement, both of which are really the same thing when you get down to it. The autistic "rights"/neurodiversity movement claims to want more autistic voices out there, yet it opposes the very services [ABA] that are needed to help autistic people talk and express themselves. It is a movement of people who have a self-entitled victim mentality. Those evil people [yes, they're evil in my book] want to keep autistic people unable to talk, unable to make basic eye contact [among other things] and unable to communicate, keep them in diapers, and promote that as an "alternative" lifestyle. And then they want to blame it all on neurotypical people. Please, those people don't represent me. I'm glad to have my own voice. Look, I don't deny that there is room for improvement on the part of society. But this self-entitled victim mentality let's stick it to neurotypical people has to stop. One more thing. They constantly promote autism as a valid alternative lifestyle and yet, since they see the life of autistic people as hopeless, would then say that it's ok to have autistic babies aborted [that is cut up or poisoned in their mothers' wombs] because life is just so miserable for autistic people. But who makes life miserable for autistic people? These self-entitled whiny brats from the autistic "rights"/neurotypical movement. That's who. And the reason why they would support abortion and PP selling their baby parts is because it's a left-wing cause. Let's just say it as it is and stop sugar coding it. It's really about Cultural Marxism at heart, where autistic people are the perfect "victim" group and neurotypicals are the bourgeoius. But like I said, I refuse to see myself as a victim. I see myself as a victor.



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04 Apr 2016, 3:07 am

What are you talking about? Pretty much every Neurodiversity advocate bitterly opposes Autism Speaks because they think the genetic research bieng funded by Autism Speaks will be used to identify Autistic fetuses leading to them bieng aborted. I have read thousands upon thousands of critisms of Autism Speaks. The belief that Autism Speaks wants to eliminate Autism and Autistics via abortion comes up nearly every time, Autism Speaks support of ABA is mentioned only occasionally.


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What are you talking about? Pretty much every Neurodiversity advocate bitterly opposes Autism Speaks because they think the genetic research bieng funded by Autism Speaks will be used to identify Autistic fetuses leading to them bieng aborted. I have read thousands upon thousands of critisms of Autism Speaks. The belief that Autism Speaks wants to eliminate Autism and Autistics via abortion comes up nearly every time, Autism Speaks support of ABA is mentioned only occasionally.

I'm not talking about the autism "rights"/neurodiverse movement's criticism of autism speaks. I've heard plenty of criticism from people in that movement of ABA. Don't pretend that that movement's opposition to ABA doesn't exist. It does. Yes, I think that criticizing Autism Speaks for having most of its funding going to genetic research [with only 2% going to help autistic people and their families] is legit and the concern that it could lead to abortion is also legit. I've been more opposed to pre-natal testing because of the concern that it could lead to abortion [although I only opposed it in the context of it leading to selective abortions and not to anything else]. However, if it leads to parents either preparing for raising an autistic kid or editing the genes so then those kids could have a better quality of life, I have no problem with pre-natal testing being used for those purposes. But it's undeniable that with the disability "rights" movement generally, people there seem ok with disability-selective abortions. Yes, the autism "rights"/neurodiverse movement does express concern that Autism Speaks research could lead to selective abortion, yet that movement supports the side of the political spectrum that pushes for more and more abortions to begin with. That is what's ironic.



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04 Apr 2016, 2:10 pm

Can you show where autism or disbiliity rights organization favored disability specific abortion because I have not seen it.


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04 Apr 2016, 9:17 pm

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Can you show where autism or disbiliity rights organization favored disability specific abortion because I have not seen it.

Here is one example:
https://rewire.news/article/2012/08/30/ ... od-ethics/

''Choosing abortion because you don’t have the capacity to care for a child is a reasonable ethical choice, and it’s not the only option, though I’d note that people are not exactly lining up to adopt disabled children, nor are social services rushing to provide support to disabled children and their families."

Which is another way of saying that because disabled kids will be having too miserable lives anyway if put up for adoption [yes, there are people who do adopt special needs kids], then kill them in utero. It makes an assumption that we know what the future for them will be like, when we have no way of knowing. Quality of life over who should live or die is subjective. We have a very limited knowledge of what their lives will be. That's what I say. I return to my point: cure the disability, but not through killing the person. Anyway, I think I'm getting off topic on this thread, but I wanted to say that that quote is an example of the type of thinking that I vehemently oppose. And this is why I can not stand the self-entitled victim mentality, which does many times "justify" abortion on the grounds that life for those kids are supposedly too miserable based on exaggerations from these self-proclaimed representatives of these "victim" groups who have self-entitled victim mentalities. Like I said, the autism "rights"/neurodiverse movement is on the side of the political spectrum that pushes for abortions. That is a fact.



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04 Apr 2016, 9:26 pm

I'm done talking about disability selected abortion on this thread because it's off topic. I just mentioned it as one example of the hypocrisy of the autism "rights/neurodiversity movement in supporting a side that pushes for abortion [as well as this self-entitled victim mentality using the argument that people from these "victim" groups are too miserable to let live as long as they're still in their mothers' womb]. To get back to the point of the thread, I already stated that you can be autistic and oppose autism culture because autism culture is a concept by spoiled brats who have too much of a victim mentality. Like I said, I'm a victor, not a victim. I don't believe there is a plot by society to keep autistic people from succeeding. I think autism itself is the obstacle and the solution is to overcome the autism, not just blame everyone else for what autism does.



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04 Apr 2016, 10:07 pm

I've never opposed ABA.



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I'm done talking about disability selected abortion on this thread because it's off topic. I just mentioned it as one example of the hypocrisy of the autism "rights/neurodiversity movement in supporting a side that pushes for abortion [as well as this self-entitled victim mentality using the argument that people from these "victim" groups are too miserable to let live as long as they're still in their mothers' womb]. To get back to the point of the thread, I already stated that you can be autistic and oppose autism culture because autism culture is a concept by spoiled brats who have too much of a victim mentality. Like I said, I'm a victor, not a victim. I don't believe there is a plot by society to keep autistic people from succeeding. I think autism itself is the obstacle and the solution is to overcome the autism, not just blame everyone else for what autism does.


That link is to one blogger not an disability rights organization but getting back on topic as I said in the first reply to the OP it is ok for an autistic person not to support autistic culture.


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what exactly is the self entitled victim mentality


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ASPartOfMe wrote:
senquin wrote:
I'm done talking about disability selected abortion on this thread because it's off topic. I just mentioned it as one example of the hypocrisy of the autism "rights/neurodiversity movement in supporting a side that pushes for abortion [as well as this self-entitled victim mentality using the argument that people from these "victim" groups are too miserable to let live as long as they're still in their mothers' womb]. To get back to the point of the thread, I already stated that you can be autistic and oppose autism culture because autism culture is a concept by spoiled brats who have too much of a victim mentality. Like I said, I'm a victor, not a victim. I don't believe there is a plot by society to keep autistic people from succeeding. I think autism itself is the obstacle and the solution is to overcome the autism, not just blame everyone else for what autism does.


That link is to one blogger not an disability rights organization but getting back on topic as I said in the first reply to the OP it is ok for an autistic person not to support autistic culture.
It's an example of what I'm saying. That's all. Btw, many activists are bloggers. So that person being a blogger is irrelevant to begin with.



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06 Apr 2016, 6:59 pm

vercingetorix451 wrote:
I've never opposed ABA.
In that case, I'm not talking about you. But I have seen autistic "rights" people criticize and attack ABA.



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vermontsavant wrote:
what exactly is the self entitled victim mentality
This idea that everyone and everything is out to discriminate against autistic people. This idea of neurotypical privilege is another example. Another example is believing that teaching autistic people "eye contact" is cruel or that eye contact is society being too judgemental. These are some examples. It's essentially using your so-called victim status to expect society to cater to you and coddle you. That's basically what it is.