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15 Dec 2019, 2:38 pm

IMHO, I think Autism Speaks might be the spiritual successor of the Nazis.



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15 Dec 2019, 3:23 pm

Autism speaks has to walk the tightrope between those who are high functioning aspies, who work, have families and are hardly disabled at all, who like their autism and those who are profoundly disabled and hate autism.

The day they come down on one side is the day they no longer represent all autistic people. So I guess that by serving all they serve no one because both sides have polar opposite views on what autism means to them.


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15 Dec 2019, 3:38 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
I first heard about Autism Speaks in the late November of 2006. They make it clear that their mission statement is a world without autism. That they want to do research that will cure every person on the spectrum, whether they want a cure or not. Their plan also includes a solution for people who can't be cured. That reminds me of the final solution that the Nazis implemented. That sounds like eugenics to me.

https://www.disabilityscoop.com/2016/10 ... ure/22884/

“Autism Speaks enhances lives today and is accelerating a spectrum of solutions for tomorrow.”


This is the entire update updated mission statement as per the article
"“Autism Speaks is dedicated to promoting solutions, across the spectrum and throughout the lifespan, for the needs of individuals with autism and their families through advocacy and support; increasing understanding and acceptance of autism spectrum disorder; and advancing research into causes and better interventions for autism spectrum disorder and related conditions,” reads the update. “Autism Speaks enhances lives today and is accelerating a spectrum of solutions for tomorrow.”

"Solution" has been a common word used for branding companies for a couple of decades now and most of the time has nothing to do with the Nazi final solution. It is saying we are going to fix your issues without a lot of (BS) not we are going to kill your competitors. I am not a mind reader maybe they are still hidden eugenicists creating an elaborate "diversity" hoax but the "solutions" language is far from the proof so many think it is.


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15 Dec 2019, 3:58 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
I first heard about Autism Speaks in the late November of 2006. They make it clear that their mission statement is a world without autism. That they want to do research that will cure every person on the spectrum, whether they want a cure or not. Their plan also includes a solution for people who can't be cured. That reminds me of the final solution that the Nazis implemented. That sounds like eugenics to me.


I understand those who self advocate and don't want a cure but they really must learn to understand that society sees a separation from themselves as human beings and the medical condition they have. No one is going to try to kill them, but not everyone sees autism as a great thing and there`s good reason for that, that I wont bother going into.

What else are they going to do with those who are born profoundly disabled, find therapy and medical solutions to help them of course and ultimately eliminate the problem from happening in the first place.

Try replacing the word autism with any number of medical conditions and you`ll see the point.


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16 Dec 2019, 4:11 am

carlos55 wrote:
I understand those who self advocate and don't want a cure but they really must learn to understand that society sees a separation from themselves as human beings and the medical condition they have.

We are already quite aware (we don't need to "learn to understand") that many parents of autistic children prefer to see a separation between their children and autism. Many anti-"cure" folks grew up with parents who insisted on seeing such a separation. Problem is, for many autistic people, such a separation is just not possible, as many people here on WP have pointed out.

carlos55 wrote:
Try replacing the word autism with any number of medical conditions and you`ll see the point.

The point is, autism is not just another medical condition.

Personally, I didn't grow up thinking of myself as "autistic," but, once I began reading up in-depth about autism a couple of years ago, I realized that almost every aspect of my personality was either an "autistic trait" or, at the very least, a trait more common among autistic people than among people in general. This includes my strengths as well as my weaknesses. So, to "cure" me of autism would necessarily entail turning me into a completely different person.

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No one is going to try to kill them, but not everyone sees autism as a great thing and there`s good reason for that, that I wont bother going into.

What else are they going to do with those who are born profoundly disabled, find therapy and medical solutions to help them of course and ultimately eliminate the problem from happening in the first place.

As I've said before, I think the medical research should focus primarily on the most severely disabled autistic people, who are currently under-represented in research studies.

I don't have a problem with the idea of treatments to make autistic people less disabled, but I do have a major issue with the goal of eradicating autism entirely.

Consider what the world would be like without even the relatively mild forms of autism. Fewer oddballs. Fewer independent thinkers. Fewer people to resist any trend toward ever-more-stringent social conformity. A more constricted world for everyone.


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16 Dec 2019, 4:29 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
We are already quite aware (we don't need to "learn to understand") that many parents of autistic children prefer to see a separation between their children and autism. Many anti-"cure" folks grew up with parents who insisted on seeing such a separation. Problem is, for many autistic people, such a separation is just not possible, as many people here on WP have pointed out.


I was referring to society including the international medical community not self advocates. Whether we like it or not autism is officially a disorder of the brain and scientifically proven to be a malformation of the brain of varying severity, with the co-morbids directly linked to this malformation. I understand some with milder issues don't want to be changed and are unable to separate themselves from their autism and good for them, but society and the medical community needs this separation to be able to help people who have more severe symptoms.


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16 Dec 2019, 5:10 am

I mean before I even want to give autism speaks a chance, I'd like to hear their total retraction of any recomendations of treating autistic children with bleach. I mean just a couple years ago at an autism speaks conference I understand they allowed some person with their snake oil bleach treatment to recommend this to parents maybe it was a mistake on their part...but to my knowledge there was never a statement that clarified that Autism Speaks does not condone what she said.

Bleach is toxic not for ingesting or for bathing children in, I mean regardless of anything IDK how they could have let that kind of nonsense be said on one of their conferences and then they didn't lift a finger to discourage it. So I kinda distrust that organization due to that situation.


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