Grrrr, vaccine ARE connected with autism. >.< That's a

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Um, no... I meant ABC...

But why do you say there is no connection as if there is none???

Why do you think Autism Speaks and ABC have a connection?

that's about the best thing to come out of it at the end of the day w/e the cause is. anything to get people financial support

My parents are both too Aspergery to be able to deny that their sub-par genes are at fault.

That doesn't even make sense. When did I claim that autism was caused by a lack of mercury?


Are you really saying that 35% of autistics just so happened to leave California immediately after thimerosal was removed from vaccines?


Do you just make up stuff as you go along?

You have no qualifications, don't seem to know what you're talking about, but your posts make for some good laughts.

I find it troubling also. I wish people like that wouldn't discuss these topics.

I think this is something the NT parents should think about. If the vaccination really led to autism, they should think. Is it better to vaccinate your child, possibly increasin the risk of autism, or is it berr to NOT vaccinate your child, leaving him open to deadlier diseases, such as Hepatitis B.

I'd choose the first one if I were the parent, because you can't die from Autism. All autism basically is lacking social cues correct?

It strikes me as common sense. I mean think about it; AS is the most vocal, most well connected autism organization, probably in the world, we all know that they're well connected with NBC and have several politicians in their pockets. The simple math shows that they're all over ABC, in their news, in their TV programs, advertising (and those aren't all free customer service ads, they're paid)... Where isn't there a connection? I wouldn't mind learning how much in ad revenues ABC gets from AS ads.

Maybe I'm just a child of the political conspiracy generation, but since AS has wormed they're way so deeply into Autism touching society, it's harder to believe that there is no connection than that there is one.

Of course it doesn't make sense to you because I wasn't saying that at all!


Not immediately, but over a period of time - YES! It's true! And California isn't the only state to have that happen. New Jersey's stats went UP for the same reason! People moving to a state where the support services were better!



I don't make anything up, Zendell. It's a fact. Even today there are still idiots around who persist in diagnosing schizophrenia - in complete ignorance of the DSM-IV. I use my eyes and my ears. Try it sometime - you might learn something.

I'd just like to ask, does anyone know what the difference is between 'autism like symptoms', and 'autism', when they don't actually know what causes autism, what it looks like, and given that autism is a syndrome itself - a group of symptoms manifesting in a number of people and of unknown origin/s.

Doesn't actually make any sense...

Just something that's been troubling me greatly following this case.

Autism Speaks spends millions of dollars on public relations agents. It would be naive to think they don't have connections with ABC, CBS, and all of the other major networks. Especially when you consider that the founder of the organization was running NBC at some point.

Zendell, it's not listed in your profile, but are you by any chance in your twenties, or perhaps younger?

I ask this because in many of your posts, you don't seem to fully understand that the DSM-IV-TR wasn't published until 1994, a mere thirteen years ago, and that prior to that point, there was no diagnosis of Asperger's Syndrome. As far as the psychiatric community, at least here in the US, was concerned, there was no such thing. Autism was still diagnosed using DSM-III criteria, which, IIRC, would result in only LFA individuals receiving such a diagnosis. And since psychologists and psychiatrists are, like us, merely human, some of them are reluctant to let go of the past and embrace the new - especially the sort of cut-rate psychs that are all a lot of us can afford.

Look at it this way - from a sheerly engineering standpoint, fuel injection is such an improvement over carbueration in a car's engine, it's no wonder every single manufacturer in the world has switched over to FI engines since the 1980s. Yet, if you were to ask a group of mechanics which is "better", I guarantee that at least 2-3% are going to stand by their old-fashioned carbuerators, because it's what they know. And a minority of psychs are going to stand by diagnosing schizophrenia in autistics, because it's what they know. (And, for the tiny handful of really unscrupulous types, since there's no treatment for autism, there's no reason to schedule an autistic to come in for a fifty-minute billable hour once a week...)

The same thing has bothered me also. I don't think there is a difference. PDD-NOS is part of the autistic sprectrum and all you really need is developmental delay and significant problems socializing and communicating. I think some people use autism-like to dismiss any evidence that disagrees with them. Anyone who has symptoms or improves due to non-genetic causes is immediately labeled to have autism-like symptoms and not true autism. It's a defense mechanism that allows people to feel better about themselves.

For the record, mercury poisoning causes "autism-like symptoms"; BUT it isn't autism.

Actually, not really. Mercury poisoning is quite distinct from autism, and I have a hard time believing that any competent doctor could possibly confuse the two. There are lots of physical symptoms to MP, including things like edema or even kidney dysfunction. That's not autism. Even the neurological symptoms don't really match up. Someone who is mercury poisoned may have trouble with basic movements. Autistics can certainly be dyspraxic and clumsy, but it's not the same thing at all. Someone who was truly mercury poisoned would not be able to engage in repetitive motor movements common to autistic people.

On that same measure, autism-like symptoms can be caused by too much alcohol.