Bully, 12, investigated for rape

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30 Aug 2008, 10:16 pm

If I could get my hands on that kid, I would make damn sure he died slowly and painfully. And I would maybe create a few entities to torment him in the afterlife. (I don't believe in the 3fold law or karma like most other pagans)

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30 Aug 2008, 10:20 pm

here here friend
seems we share the same feelings on punishment on this matter

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31 Aug 2008, 2:26 am

this makes me chuckle. All these people that can't stand the violence done to a child are contemplating a much worse fate for another child. So much for rehabilitation.

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31 Aug 2008, 2:37 am

sinsboldly wrote:

this makes me chuckle. All these people that can't stand the violence done to a child are contemplating a much worse fate for another child. So much for rehabilitation.

I'll join the lynch mob!

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31 Aug 2008, 2:39 am

Anemone wrote:

As far as the other kids watching and laughing, haven't you ever found yourself doing that when you didn't want to? It's hard to stand up to group pressure and takes practice.

well, I never did that nor did stand up for anyone, but always felt sympathy for the bullied.
I actually would lose a lot of sympathy for the other kids that stand there amusing themsleves watching and laughing, just illustrate how desensitive they are.

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The boy needs to be punished, underage or not.

Well, the parents very likely would use his condition as a defense, so probably will be a special psychiatric treatment or something than punishment you may want, but yeah, one would want to teach the kid a lesson that can never forget, the girl, on the other hand, won't be able to forget this.

Is the girl's mother sueing the stupid school or the kid's stupid parents? (haven't read the whole tread)

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01 Sep 2008, 6:24 pm

What I'm interested in is the psychology of the kid who did this.
At first I thought that he may have not understood what he was doing or known that it was wrong, but as I read further on it seemed that he did. Is it possible he and the younger observers of this crime didn't understand the severity of what was going on? Kids that age do horrible things to each other, sometimes even as extreme as this, because their parents and teachers have not properly taught them right from wrong: often because subjects like this one are considered particularly taboo.

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02 Sep 2008, 7:55 pm

greenblue wrote:

sinsboldly wrote:

this makes me chuckle. All these people that can't stand the violence done to a child are contemplating a much worse fate for another child. So much for rehabilitation.

I'll join the lynch mob!

That's an interesting observation you've made there sinsbodly, and lol greenblue.

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The rapist, the psychologist and the school administrator should DIAF! :twisted:

Does DIAF mean Die In A Fire?

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03 Sep 2008, 10:06 am

firstly it could be the NTs form of retributionand secondly, not that im sticking up for the boy but his upbringing could of had an effect on his actions

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15 Sep 2008, 9:47 pm

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Bully, 12, investigated for rape

A primary school bully has been charged with intimidation and is being investigated for rape after forcing objects into a classmate’s private parts.
The Department of Education launched an urgent investigation into the “shocking” case at the Western Cape school, which has apparently not taken action against the 12-year-old boy.

His 11-year-old victim has slipped into depression and is being forced to sit alone outside the principal’s office at break time for her own safety because her attacker is still at school.

The girl, who suffers from Asperger Syndrome, a form of autism, has allegedly been taunted by the boy and his friends.

Johan Basson, principal of Paarl School for neurally handicapped children in Brackenfell, near Cape Town, allegedly told the girl’s parents that he could not ensure her safety and said: “You brought this upon yourself by going to the police.”

On June 5, the boy allegedly forced a plastic object into the girl’s anus on the school playground as pupils watched.

“There were many other kids and they laughed at me,” the girl said.

Her distraught mother said her child reported the incident but nothing happened.

“She was in pain and went straight to the school psychologist. The psychologist said: ‘I am not prepared to speak to him because he hasn’t taken his Ritalin. If it happens again, go and report it,’ ” said her mother.

Her mother took her to the doctor and reported the incident to the police, where a case of rape was opened.

After the incident the boy and his friends allegedly hurled abuse at the mother, kicked a ball at her car and took pictures of her on their phones. She laid a charge of intimidation against him.

Police spokesman Inspector Bernadine Steyn confirmed that a rape case had been referred to the National Director of Public Prosecutions.

“It is destroying to watch and it is absolutely wicked to have my child suffer like this,” said her mother. “This is a shocking case,” said department spokesman Paddy Attwell. “A professional team is working with the school on dealing with this matter in line with our ‘Abuse no more’ policy.

“The team includes a school psychologist, a social worker and a special needs educator.”

Principal Basson refused to comment.

http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/ ... ?id=828651

I really think the child should at least get some help. He is 12 and seems to have problems. I am not saying what he did is ok or not, but he does need help.

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20 Sep 2008, 5:41 pm

Forget about giving the boy medication and having him speak to the school psychologist. He belongs in prison. Juvenile detention at the very least, but adult prison would be better.

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20 Sep 2008, 6:32 pm

There is nothing that disturbs me more than corrupt children. How does one get that messed up that quickly? Bad parents? Grand Theft Auto?
The other children laughed? Laughed? Are all kids sociopaths?

What the hell? It's just so wrong.
Something about it being children... I don't think it would bother me so much if it happened to an adult. An adult, someone who has lived through dark times, someone with emotional strength and experience.

God help that poor girl.

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20 Sep 2008, 8:10 pm

TheMidnightJudge wrote:

It's more likely that they did it because they were never told it was wrong and didn't understand the severity of what they were doing.
A lot of parents tell their kids little about sex, and even less about morality. Why? Because of the notion that children should be sheltered from hearing about that sort of thing. Which is why stuff like this happens in the first place.

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20 Sep 2008, 9:19 pm

Raped by a bully, and then raped by a system that protects bullies.

My rage wishes I could put that boy down like a rabid dog. But my more logical self think that everyone involved in this, and I mean EVERYONE, needs to be taken away and set aside and each one given extensive counselling until each one realises what this really means and they start to think like human beings again. And if they never get it, then never let them go.

Stephen King's "Carrie" went off like a bomb because of the torments inflicted on her, imagine what this girl would do if she could?

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02 Oct 2008, 6:30 pm

My son came home one day to tell me about a young man in his class who was hitting him. After talking to him I discovered that the boy wasn't just targeting my son (a mixed blessing there) but that he was hitting everyone. Apparently he also took Ritalin and hadn't had any for a while. (Mom was in the hospital or something.) I sent a note to my son's teacher that stated quite clearly that I had told my son to retaliate if this child struck him again and that my son would NOT be given detention or any other punative response. I pointed out that I didn't send my son to school to be hit and if the school couldn't protect him that he had my permission to protect himself. I encouraged the teacher to share my note with the principal if she felt it necessary. The other child was suspended from school until it could be determined that he was once again getting his Ritalin. (By the way, my son has always been very non-violent. He probably hated me telling him to hit the kid more than anything else that happened in that situation.) My point is simple, the schools will ignore anything you let them ignore. Parents need to advocate for their children. Parents need to know that the school district does not necessarily know or do what is best for their child.

(And an observation about the psychiatrist, I wondered if he/she didn't want to talk to the boy without his Ritalin because he/she was concerned for his/her safety. Ritalin does help curb impulsive and violent behavior too. I wonder just how much of a delinquent this child is?)

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03 Oct 2008, 7:02 am

The officials did a horrible job to handle this in my opinion. I don't think I can add anything to what was said about them already.

Something else;

matsuiny2004 wrote:

I really think the child should at least get some help. He is 12 and seems to have problems. I am not saying what he did is ok or not, but he does need help.

Yes.

When a child is hurting other children in extremes sexual implications or hitting, kicking, punching etc. it's often a complicated situation for all participants.

We have a younger kid who's provocation others, violent and bullying in class and it's a balance between the others children from further harm and ensuring this child is, mentally, also not further hurt and damaged. Hardly possible.

It's one thing to read about a case like this or see a kid acting violently, but it's another to see and experience the child in question as a full person.

In my own case at school, I consider this:
Destroy 1 kid's future to save 30 others or take collateral damage of 30 into account to ensure the 1 kid has a chance at life, when you know all participants well and all show just how human and fragile they are.

I imagine similar reasoning (if there are any serious and fair professionals) about the boy in the article and any other child that is violent in any physical or psychological form.

Can't say I'd like to make that decision, glad I don't have to make it, because I don't feel sympathy. It would be so much easier to handle the situations daily if I just felt sympathy, had a 'favourite kid' and would side with it.

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Apparently he also took Ritalin and hadn't had any for a while. (Mom was in the hospital or something.) I sent a note to my son's teacher that stated quite clearly that I had told my son to retaliate if this child struck him again and that my son would NOT be given detention or any other punative response. I pointed out that I didn't send my son to school to be hit and if the school couldn't protect him that he had my permission to protect himself. I encouraged the teacher to share my note with the principal if she felt it necessary. The other child was suspended from school until it could be determined that he was once again getting his Ritalin.

That sounds as if it was handled well.

If the child actually was on Ritalin, but accidentally was not/someone unprofessional might have decided it wasn't necessary, it was only correct to ensure he would be on meds/get the correct treatment for both the others' safely and the kid's social and academic perspective.

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03 Oct 2008, 5:55 pm

Shame on the mother for letting her continue to attend that school.

Nonetheless, hopefully the kid will get what he deserves. Even though he's 12, he deserves more than a slap on the wrist and expulsion.

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