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30 Aug 2008, 10:57 am

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Am I overreacting, you ask? Not really.

I want a message sent to all would-be cybergeeks out there.

And along comes someone who will try to get one step ahead. After all these years, any car can be stolen. Everything improves and so does peoples knowledge. Build something idiot proof and I will find you a better idiot

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30 Aug 2008, 11:01 am

Keith wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

Am I overreacting, you ask? Not really.

I want a message sent to all would-be cybergeeks out there.

And then I will find you a better proof.

On and on it goes, this competition.

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30 Aug 2008, 11:06 am

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Do you want to get rid of half of all aspies in the world?

No, just the cyber-geeks. If I were able, I'd make it so they all get caught with their hand in the till.

I am a 'Cyber-Geek', and I use my computer skills to contribute to society. You would "make it so" I would be arrested just because I'm capable of committing a crime, whether or not I actually committed it.

Thatt's called framing someone for a crime. Is this typical of your family? Your culture? Your religious or secular education? Why would you persecute the many for the actions of a few?

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30 Aug 2008, 11:06 am

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So, what's the point ? Should he be treated differently because he has AS ?

Remembering that AS is not considered a form of insanity, this perp must be treated as mentally competent. If Aspies want to be treated the same as NTs, then they should be treated the same in all things, including justice.

Look at it this way, would you want people to be let off from committing a crime just for a learning disorder? Keep in mind that Asperger's Syndrome is a behavioral disorder, and that neither Asperger's Syndrome or Dyslexia is a form of insanity.

"Your honor, my client pleads 'Not Guilty' by reason of being dyslexic - you must exonerate him from the charge of cold-blooded murder because he is unable to read."

Again, Dyslexics, just like Aspies, are not insane. Thus, they can not be excuse of crimes simply because they see the world differently - they simply can not process certain forms of information in the way that NTs do.

Exactly.

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30 Aug 2008, 11:19 am

OK, so a child steals. From your information, they should be punished with maybe 1 year in jail?

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30 Aug 2008, 11:20 am

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am a 'Cyber-Geek', and I use my computer skills to contribute to society. You would "make it so" I would be arrested just because I'm capable of committing a crime, whether or not I actually committed it.

There's a big difference between opportunity and intent.

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30 Aug 2008, 11:26 am

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OK, so a child steals. From your information, they should be punished with maybe 1 year in jail?

No.

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30 Aug 2008, 11:27 am

As said before, one thing can be innocent to one part and guilty to another. It's a conflict.
Them: You ran a stop sign.
You: I could see it was clear from both directions...

so - you MUST be guilty ...
probably bad example ...

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30 Aug 2008, 11:30 am

Yes, bad example. How would traffic violations be relevant in this case?

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30 Aug 2008, 11:35 am

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As said before, one thing can be innocent to one part and guilty to another. It's a conflict.

Exactly, that's why justice exists, to resolve conflicts through the law.

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30 Aug 2008, 11:39 am

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Exactly, that's why justice exists, to resolve conflicts through the law.

I'm glad someone sees my example as I wrote it rather than meaning something else entirely. I'm sorry slowmutant has only one side without wanting to see the other. Getting a clearer picture always helps.

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30 Aug 2008, 11:42 am

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"Your honor, my client pleads 'Not Guilty' by reason of being dyslexic - you must exonerate him from the charge of cold-blooded murder because he is unable to read."

Well, it depends on the situation, what if a dyslexic wasn't able to read "No traspassing" or something like that, I think there are times in which a learning disorder or a disibility can exonerate some from responsability, depending on the situation of course, however, it can also be abused.

Curious to note, when it comes to kids, sometimes behaviours from some kids, a bully who has ADHD or aspies with ADHD, sometimes their behaviours are exonerated because of it, heck, parents would claim discrimination if some action would be taken against a kid like that in schools.

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30 Aug 2008, 11:43 am

Keith wrote:

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Exactly, that's why justice exists, to resolve conflicts through the law.

when I also figured that out about slowmutant, I was much better able to read his posts with out becoming agitated. We all have our own idiosyncrasies and if we can bear with people until we figure them out, we can more effectively communicate with each other.

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30 Aug 2008, 11:46 am

Keith wrote:

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Exactly, that's why justice exists, to resolve conflicts through the law.

If I were a hacker myself, I'd probably be more sympathetic towards them.

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30 Aug 2008, 11:53 am

There seems to be conflicting ideas as to what constitutes law, justice, crime and punishment. How then, can we expect to understand each other and see clearly?

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30 Aug 2008, 12:16 pm

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There's a big difference between opportunity and intent.

Never confuse intent with action, or opportunity with intent. The following story illustrates this point:

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A couple go on vacation to a fishing resort in northern Minnesota. The husband likes to fish at the crack of dawn. The wife likes to read.

One morning the husband returns after several hours of fishing and takes a nap. Although not familiar with the lake, the wife decides to take the boat out. She motors out a short distance, anchors, and continues to read her book.

Along comes a forest policeman in his boat. He pulls up alongside the woman and says, "Good morning Ma'am. What are you doing?"

"Reading a book," she replies, (thinking "Isn't that obvious?")

"You're in a restricted fishing area," he informs her.

"I'm sorry officer, but I'm not fishing, I'm reading."

"Yes, but you have all the equipment. I'll have to take you in and write you up."

"If you do that, I'll have to charge you with sexual assault," says the woman.

"But I haven't even touched you," says the policeman.

"That's true," replied the woman, "But you have all the equipment."

Once people equate having the means, the motive, or the opportunity with an actual crime, justice is perverted.

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