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29 Mar 2009, 7:56 pm

I was wondering if we would have allowed this thread if some other group of people were in the title?

think it over. . .


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29 Mar 2009, 8:02 pm

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I was wondering if we would have allowed this thread if some other group of people were in the title?


As in...would "does anyone else here fear Islam?" (for example) be allowed?

Like this thread?

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(Ok, it goes by another title).



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29 Mar 2009, 10:02 pm

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I was wondering if we would have allowed this thread if some other group of people were in the title?

Hm...

"Anyone here who also fears Jews?" That probably wouldn't go well.

Of course, "neurotypical" is often a derogatory term, especially in the context that the OP uses it, so perhaps...

"Anyone else here who also fears n****rs?" Probably wouldn't even survive to 3 replies before getting axed.

Yeah, either of those threads would be deleted pretty fast, and rightfully so. Someone who posted such a topic may or may end up banned. I've seen some racists and anti-Semites attain astonishing longevity in certain niches of the forum, but they usually aren't overt about it.

So why do we tolerate bigotry against NTs? Is it just because on this forum, NTs are the "Them" in "us and them?"


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30 Mar 2009, 12:26 am

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I don't believe in the N.T concept. It's based on a pseudo cultural fallacy of mind differences manifested of mostly unneeded and divisional social discourses.


No. In neuroscience & elsewhere related, as common knowledge (I'm a neuroscientist) this term, Neurotypical (NT) just means one who is not autistic.

well, the term neurotypical used by the autistic community as well as the neurodiversity movement have seem to be questionable to me, given the social, cultural and political issues, I get the neurological differences from autistics and non-autistics, but labeling neurotypical to non-autistics individuals within neuroscience, is something that I honestly find somehow difficult to grasp, I mean, non-autistic people can have neurological differences or disorders, whichever term you prefer, given that, I ask, how valid and accurate is to label such individual as neurotypical?


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30 Mar 2009, 8:54 am

I'm scared of pretty much anyone, whether they be NT or aspie/autistic! I have to admit though, most of my so called 'NT' friends have been kinda quirky or eccentric!


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30 Mar 2009, 1:14 pm

I do get nervous around others, not neccessarily NT's or Aspie's, however i don't fear them to be honest i think that i am intimidating towards others, because of my size, im not fat, but i'm about 6 feet tall (Guy 15 old), and i tend to glare unintentionally at people, and i have huge shoulders both my parents did to, so i pretty much feel like a giant. :lol:

I don't like people whom try to inflict fear, they nothing but cowards, and honestly if i could i would crush everyone of them. :rambo:


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30 Mar 2009, 7:24 pm

what does a 'neurotypical' look like so I know what to expect walking up my walkway?


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30 Mar 2009, 8:21 pm

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what does a 'neurotypical' look like so I know what to expect walking up my walkway?


This:


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31 Mar 2009, 12:25 am

^^^^ hahahahaha ^^^^^ made me spray diet 7Up out my nose

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I don't believe in the N.T concept. It's based on a pseudo cultural fallacy of mind differences manifested of mostly unneeded and divisional social discourses.


No. In neuroscience & elsewhere related, as common knowledge (I'm a neuroscientist) this term, Neurotypical (NT) just means one who is not autistic.

well, the term neurotypical used by the autistic community as well as the neurodiversity movement have seem to be questionable to me, given the social, cultural and political issues, I get the neurological differences from autistics and non-autistics, but labeling neurotypical to non-autistics individuals within neuroscience, is something that I honestly find somehow difficult to grasp, I mean, non-autistic people can have neurological differences or disorders, whichever term you prefer, given that, I ask, how valid and accurate is to label such individual as neurotypical?

I have never like the term neurotypical, and I have never ever met someone who is "quot / un-quot" normal,
like alot of people here we have our differences no 2 aspie is the same as it is for the so called NT's.
This us against the Right World is only making one more roadblock for us as aspies to deal with.
I am an aspie and I am from Planet Earth along with all the rest of the nuts jobs. :P



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31 Mar 2009, 1:18 am

Reminds me of cultology.

It makes for an interesting sociology but most with autism do not know of it.

I don't mean to be mean but rather assert that this ASPIE and N.T thing has gone a little out of control. I know people don't mean harm but do you all actually want a future in which people with disability differences, more substantial then you or not and young children to be inducted into this type of constricted social and cultural idea. Yes it can help with advocacy in the frameworks of a single group and more so macro group types of disability differences but what are the negatives and positives?

I would like if possible for you to think about young children learning about these things and then growing up to learn he or she is a disorder (or difference) label and everyone else is normal. It creates more advocacy potential in movements but is it ultimately the best way to retain (mind alteration and influence) advocacy members at large, no matter the diversity of idea and opinion therein but in general frameworks. The idea abound is autism culture but it's not like it's weird in of itself, I mean disability culture is real but why so constricted in ideas and concepts and what are the short and long term negatives and positives of these kinds of constrictive ideas?

A neuro-typological framework that has a causation of delving into the label idea and asserting it as a social group is not bad itself I suppose. However the frameworks in general are not standard in our society and I worry that the adverse causation is a further separation of oneself from the society around us? How can a person with autism still be empowered by advocacy but feel and be part of normalcy around him and or her by means of those advocacy without such constrictive ideas and methodologies. The idea of aspie to me is a social clique and I personally do not really partake in those in general.

It fascinates me. In conclusion I feel strongly against the innocent idea of aspie and ultimately understand it as a social clique but more seriously a potentially adverse influence if taken to seriously. The concept aspie is governed by the opposite end of the spectrum of the idea which is typicality. We can then however define aspie as not untypical at all but part of typical yet different from what is not aspie.

We are free to think, believe and do as we wish.



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09 Apr 2009, 12:06 am

Orwell wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
I was wondering if we would have allowed this thread if some other group of people were in the title?

Hm...

"Anyone here who also fears Jews?" That probably wouldn't go well.

Of course, "neurotypical" is often a derogatory term, especially in the context that the OP uses it, so perhaps...

"Anyone else here who also fears n****rs?" Probably wouldn't even survive to 3 replies before getting axed.

Yeah, either of those threads would be deleted pretty fast, and rightfully so. Someone who posted such a topic may or may end up banned. I've seen some racists and anti-Semites attain astonishing longevity in certain niches of the forum, but they usually aren't overt about it.

So why do we tolerate bigotry against NTs? Is it just because on this forum, NTs are the "Them" in "us and them?"


Orwell, not to point out that you're a douchebag, because that seems to be a recurring theme through all your posts, but why dear god do you have your signature of a famous phrase the nazis used? What are you trying to prove? And for a guy who angrily posts something up about people who dislike NT's, wouldn't you say having a nazi quote for your signature is umm....completely hippocritical? Just pointing that out...



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09 Apr 2009, 8:39 am

Your_Kisa wrote:
Orwell, not to point out that you're a douchebag, because that seems to be a recurring theme through all your posts, but why dear god do you have your signature of a famous phrase the nazis used? What are you trying to prove? And for a guy who angrily posts something up about people who dislike NT's, wouldn't you say having a nazi quote for your signature is umm....completely hippocritical? Just pointing that out...

Um... *checks signature* nope, no Nazi quotes there. I'm not really sure what you're talking about, actually. My sigline is:
WAR IS PEACE
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That's not a Nazi quote, and in fact dates to 1949, after the Nazi Party was defunct, so they could not have used it. Its origin was in George Orwell's book 1984. My custom rank, location, name, sigline, and avatar are all fairly obvious allusions to George Orwell, so I'm not sure why you missed the pattern.

Nor am I really sure why I'm being labeled a "douchebag," please elaborate.


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09 Apr 2009, 1:32 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
I was wondering if we would have allowed this thread if some other group of people were in the title?

I would hope you would. A person can have good reason to fear a particular group of people, whether that group be NTs, Muslims, white people, or any other of the multitude of classifications you can think of. It's an acceptable area for discussion, unless you're some leftist zealot who automatically sees it as a hate crime.



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09 Apr 2009, 7:08 pm

The only people I fear are those who hold unwarranted amounts of power over my person and property, whether physical, governmental, or financial, and who do not think rationally. That, and the cracked-out crazies in my neighborhood and downtown who would probably stab me to death for ten bucks so they could get their next fix.



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09 Apr 2009, 7:11 pm

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TIn reality, I do not proceed with my ongoings thinking that I'm a HFA/Aspie amongst 'them' at all! One's neurology shouldn't categorize them and I just don't think in this way.

Preach it, brother!



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10 Apr 2009, 10:38 am

I think I fear NT:s as much as I fear other types of people, but I usually don't feel fear. I'm not paranoid, however, I am a lonely wolf and feel that this is very normal for myself, but I'm not always sure if it would be perceived as normal by NT:s or not.

When it comes to social cues, well... My mind is often at other places which means that I may not think very much about some things which one really should know about. Well... what can I say, that's me.


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