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24 Sep 2011, 12:51 pm

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Calling someone condescending isn't a joke. :/


i did not say that your condescension was a joke. i know it was very real. what i said in my post is that i thought you were being condescending in error to an earlier post i posted.

i do not want to argue with you because i do not think you are worth arguing with.
i do not want a reply please.

I understand. I don't want an argument. I just want clarification so we are on the same level. Nothing wrong with that.


all is well. proceed.



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24 Sep 2011, 12:52 pm

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all is well. proceed.

Thankyou for your patience.



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24 Sep 2011, 1:03 pm

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all is well. proceed.

Thankyou for your patience.

wonderful. just proceed and forget it happened.



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24 Sep 2011, 1:31 pm

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Post number 5, by Mechanima, is a scathingly accurate description of the situation and of Tambourine-Man.

It is expresses perfectly how I and several others, including Zeraeph, feel about John-Scott Holman, aka Tambourine-Man .

I will only quote one portion of the post, adding emphasis to some interesting news:

Mechanima wrote:
He has also shown considerable skill in playing off AFF and Wrongplanet forums against each other to his advantage. At this present time it would seem he has left AFF and been given columnist status on Wrongplanet, which seems to me a far more equitable arrangement that having him as "covergirl" on AFF.


If you read nothing else, I urge you to read that one post.
I can read none because a membership is required, and that's something I'm not willing to obtain.
Plus, there seems little point in reading (Zeraeph || Mechanima) given the quote above which is just the 'same old, same old' - but especially as the 'covergirl' comment is nothing more than a poisoned description of an administrator's decision over at AFF, with which the majority was in agreement (tacit and otherwise: see my earlier post), and a good decision made for WP by Alex.

Besides it's all getting very old now and like it or not, Tambourine-Man is accepted here.


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24 Sep 2011, 2:57 pm

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Post number 5, by Mechanima, is a scathingly accurate description of the situation and of Tambourine-Man.

It is expresses perfectly how I and several others, including Zeraeph, feel about John-Scott Holman, aka Tambourine-Man .

I will only quote one portion of the post, adding emphasis to some interesting news:

Mechanima wrote:
He has also shown considerable skill in playing off AFF and Wrongplanet forums against each other to his advantage. At this present time it would seem he has left AFF and been given columnist status on Wrongplanet, which seems to me a far more equitable arrangement that having him as "covergirl" on AFF.


If you read nothing else, I urge you to read that one post.
I can read none because a membership is required, and that's something I'm not willing to obtain.
Plus, there seems little point in reading (Zeraeph || Mechanima) given the quote above which is just the 'same old, same old' - but especially as the 'covergirl' comment is nothing more than a poisoned description of an administrator's decision over at AFF, with which the majority was in agreement (tacit and otherwise: see my earlier post), and a good decision made for WP by Alex.

Besides it's all getting very old now and like it or not, Tambourine-Man is accepted here.

Whether it's getting old or not I will still represent any person who is being abused and tackle any absurdity. Then again somebody has already blown their top here in the most absurd of ways.



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24 Sep 2011, 3:29 pm

Just for the record, I provided some links in the post that you are citing.

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Yesterday morning, I created a thread on AFF entitled "tambourine-man's thoughts on AFF" in the General forum in which I posted the Tambourine-Man's post of yesterday morning in this thread in which he roundly mocked and condemned AFF. I added no editorial comment.

Where is this comment? If I don't know where it is I can't prove it.

Tambourine-Man's original post was earlier in this thread. Look it up your self. It was the one in which he condemned AFF and said that he was leaving it.

A link to my OP at AFF was provided in the post that you are citing. Here it is again:

Link: http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=23266

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I added two more posts over the course of the day in response to questions as to why I copied the text of the post rather than linking to it. Again, no editorial comment.

Where are these?

Link: http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=23266

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I refrained from quoting his post here until he began to copy many posts (without permission) from AFF to the Wrong Planet site.

Examine the entire thread that I cited in the OP to see evidence of this.

I do think that people here have every right to know that they have been ridiculed and condemned on another site.


Link: http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=23266&page=2

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I wasn't confident that the original post on Wrong Planet would be left unedited.


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His comments were not very well received.

Just because something isn't well received doesn't mean they were bad.

Read that threat if you care to.

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He and his sister posted many times, doing their cause no good whatsoever.

Posting many times doesn't necessarily mean that someone's 'cause' is damaged.

Well, read their posts in that thread if you care (a link to the thread was provided).

Judge for yourself.

His sister was banned from AFF for a few days because of the posts she made in that thread.

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I woke up to some interesting developments.

Post number 5, by Mechanima, is a scathingly accurate description of the situation and of Tambourine-Man.

It is expresses perfectly how I and several others, including Zeraeph, feel about John-Scott Holman, aka Tambourine-Man .

I will only quote one portion of the post, adding emphasis to some interesting news:

Mechanima wrote:
He has also shown considerable skill in playing off AFF and Wrongplanet forums against each other to his advantage. At this present time it would seem he has left AFF and been given columnist status on Wrongplanet, which seems to me a far more equitable arrangement that having him as "covergirl" on AFF.

This is absolutely absurd when we look at the fact that people are only defending Tambourine_man because militants are calling him a liar, manipulative and offensive only for the heinous crime of saying 'maybe we should approach autism speaks'. This defence of him has nothing to do with the fact that he has been on two sites. If people thought he actually did deserve anything that was said to him then they wouldn't be defending him, I wouldn't be defending him.

As anyone can see from Cornflake's long text post any attempt to characterize what Tambourine_man did in the slightest as malign or manipulative is wrong.


Not at all. I haven't taken the time to dig through TM's posts on AFF yet. I will when I get around to it. That is a prerequisite to posting about that. Nothing can be concluded from the delay in posting on this.

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http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=23266&page=1

I urge you to get to know our new columnist a bit better. Read the post, read the thread, and think a good while.

You know what's weird... that none of the links you provide seem to be able to be seen unless you are logged in to Aspies For Freedom...

Ah, so it isn't that I didn't provide links, just that you can't / won't bother to see them.


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24 Sep 2011, 4:14 pm

AlanTuring wrote:
Just for the record, I provided some links in the post that you are citing.

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A link to my OP at AFF was provided in the post that you are citing. Here it is again:

Link: http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=23266

Well given how he has been treated over there by many people condemning AFF isn't really out of bounds. He hasn't mocked then though.
And again... strange that now I can't seem to view any AFF links...

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Link: http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=23266

Thanks, so why didn't you produce these to begin with? I will check them when I can get on to AFF.

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I refrained from quoting his post here until he began to copy many posts (without permission) from AFF to the Wrong Planet site.

Examine the entire thread that I cited in the OP to see evidence of this.

I do think that people here have every right to know that they have been ridiculed and condemned on another site.

He doesn't need your permission to copy posts. Quoting someone else without their strict permission is not a crime. Having a problem with someone quoting you is suspect. I have quoted people from other sites, other places without their permission. I don't think Socrates if he leaps from the grave can accuse me of doing anything wrong.


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Read that threat if you care to.

I care to do a lot of things, because I value human life, unlike some people who only fulfill demands according to their whimsy. But if you want to show me evidence of a threat you can start using a thread that Cornflake has already shown doesn't have any threats in at all.

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Well, read their posts in that thread if you care (a link to the thread was provided).

Judge for yourself.

His sister was banned from AFF for a few days because of the posts she made in that thread.

Just because someone was banned from a site doesn't mean they are wrong. I'd consider some of the violence shown towards Tambourine to be a bannable offence on any site proposing to espouse any sort of decency. I have judged for myself and so far all I see is a hate against Autism Speaks being projected against him.

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Not at all. I haven't taken the time to dig through TM's posts on AFF yet. I will when I get around to it. That is a prerequisite to posting about that. Nothing can be concluded from the delay in posting on this.

A lot of things can be concluded in directly quoting other's opinions but not actually what tambourine_man said just incidentally at a time when I and Cornflake don't seem to be able to get on to AspiesForFreedom.

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Ah, so it isn't that I didn't provide links, just that you can't / won't bother to see them.

No, those two links you provided don't seem to be used to get to anywhere. All I get is a blank screen saying a few reasons why I can't get in. So why does that need you to then accuse me of something completely unfair? I have even told Tambourine_man to provide links proving Zeraeph being machini-whatshername. Do you need to be presumtuous about my nature? This is just bullying borne out of frustration.



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24 Sep 2011, 5:52 pm

I was the person who made the connection between Mechanima on AFF and Zeraeph here. A few weeks ago when she was talking about the profitability of residential care provision for autistic people and arguing Autism Speaks and governments were pushing that kind of care, I recognised the arguments but not the user name. It niggled me very slightly but I didn't really give it much thought to be honest. Then, in the past day or so, when she started posting on AFF again as Mechanima I recognised her as Zeraeph.

It is possible, but I think extremely unlikely that there are two different women from Southern Ireland posting on autism websites about the same issues, with the same way of expressing themselves, and the same distinctive writing style.



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24 Sep 2011, 5:56 pm

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It is possible, but I think extremely unlikely that there are two different women from Southern Ireland posting on autism websites about the same issues, with the same way of expressing themselves, and the same distinctive writing style.

She might not be trying to hide it at all anyways. I just want to see her texts and have explicit detail before I make judgements. Despite how Zeraeph has been very unfair against me doesn't mean I should be unfair to her.



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24 Sep 2011, 6:54 pm

8O I think there's way too many undiagnosed jerks and NT social savages on here who hate psychiatrists for some esoteric dogma and decide to take down everyone else with there negativity. How can someone find the time to move forward when we're constantly fighting over semantics with some random internet interpreter who's never looked at anything optimistically.

8O I'm not trying to offend, I'm just saying memorization doesn't mean you understand it.
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mmmm venting :twisted: - hopefully this was the correct forum to do so*



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24 Sep 2011, 8:19 pm

Marcia wrote:
I was the person who made the connection between Mechanima on AFF and Zeraeph here. A few weeks ago when she was talking about the profitability of residential care provision for autistic people and arguing Autism Speaks and governments were pushing that kind of care, I recognised the arguments but not the user name. It niggled me very slightly but I didn't really give it much thought to be honest. Then, in the past day or so, when she started posting on AFF again as Mechanima I recognised her as Zeraeph.

It is possible, but I think extremely unlikely that there are two different women from Southern Ireland posting on autism websites about the same issues, with the same way of expressing themselves, and the same distinctive writing style.

Good detective work, Marcia! I think it's dishonest to use different user names, especially in the way she has. By pretending to be two different people, and doing everything she can to incite hatred toward TM. At least be honest, and use the same name, and then see if anyone is willing to listen to you (probably not). By the way, I see YOU are using the same name on both sites. How very forthright of you. I do the same, as do most honest people.



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24 Sep 2011, 8:26 pm

Wendyl wrote:
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I was the person who made the connection between Mechanima on AFF and Zeraeph here. A few weeks ago when she was talking about the profitability of residential care provision for autistic people and arguing Autism Speaks and governments were pushing that kind of care, I recognised the arguments but not the user name. It niggled me very slightly but I didn't really give it much thought to be honest. Then, in the past day or so, when she started posting on AFF again as Mechanima I recognised her as Zeraeph.

It is possible, but I think extremely unlikely that there are two different women from Southern Ireland posting on autism websites about the same issues, with the same way of expressing themselves, and the same distinctive writing style.

Good detective work, Marcia! I think it's dishonest to use different user names, especially in the way she has. By pretending to be two different people, and doing everything she can to incite hatred toward TM. At least be honest, and use the same name, and then see if anyone is willing to listen to you (probably not). By the way, I see YOU are using the same name on both sites. How very forthright of you. I do the same, as do most honest people.


I also use the same username...but I did consider using a different one, and would not have thought of myself as being dishonest or pretending to be two different people! I use the same one because I thought I might forget.I have different names for different things on the internet...doesn't mean I am inconsistent in what I post.



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24 Sep 2011, 8:57 pm

I think we're all wonderful and should try and cut each other some slack. :sunny:



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24 Sep 2011, 9:21 pm

AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
I think we're all wonderful and should try and cut each other some slack. :sunny:


I feel this might be the best post in the entire forum :)

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24 Sep 2011, 10:06 pm

I would really appreciate it if someone did something about the user zeraeph. I have been receiving pms here from people who are also on aff. They are very concerned because she hase been spreading rumors that I am on a lethal combination of medication and am about to drop dead. She is manipulating information in an attempt to drag my name through the mud and I find it highly inappropriate that she has been criticisng my medication.

I'm glad you guys have warned her over here because apparently they are allowing her to incite panic over there. People fear that I am near death. This isn't funny.

Thanks to those of you who have remained civil.

I greatly appreciate it.


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Louise18 wrote:
Wendyl wrote:
Marcia wrote:
I was the person who made the connection between Mechanima on AFF and Zeraeph here. A few weeks ago when she was talking about the profitability of residential care provision for autistic people and arguing Autism Speaks and governments were pushing that kind of care, I recognised the arguments but not the user name. It niggled me very slightly but I didn't really give it much thought to be honest. Then, in the past day or so, when she started posting on AFF again as Mechanima I recognised her as Zeraeph.

It is possible, but I think extremely unlikely that there are two different women from Southern Ireland posting on autism websites about the same issues, with the same way of expressing themselves, and the same distinctive writing style.

Good detective work, Marcia! I think it's dishonest to use different user names, especially in the way she has. By pretending to be two different people, and doing everything she can to incite hatred toward TM. At least be honest, and use the same name, and then see if anyone is willing to listen to you (probably not). By the way, I see YOU are using the same name on both sites. How very forthright of you. I do the same, as do most honest people.


I also use the same username...but I did consider using a different one, and would not have thought of myself as being dishonest or pretending to be two different people! I use the same one because I thought I might forget.I have different names for different things on the internet...doesn't mean I am inconsistent in what I post.

Well, I was referring to Mechanima/Zaraeph specifically. She actually accused Tambourine Man of playing AFF and WP off of each other on AFF, then referenced a thread in which [/i]she[i] had posted (under another name) on WP as proof. She accused him of the very thing that she was doing. It would have been different if she disclosed that she had posted in the thread, and that she used another name on WP and AFF, but she did not. She clearly hates TM, and seems to be doing everything she can to make life difficult for him.