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01 Sep 2011, 11:27 am

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Reminder: the OP's question here was use of marijuana for a CHILD. That is the point, not the general merits of pot.

I'm all for making marijuana legal, growing hemp for all kinds of purposes, and for using it medically and recreationally for ADULTS.

However, the THC in the plant is mind altering. It can cause hallucinations, and it isn't negative-side-effect-free. Let's not kid ourselves.

I think it would be absolutely irresponsible to use marijuana to treat a child's conditions because of the effect is has on cognition.

It effects memory, the ability to learn, reflexes, etc...

For regular use, it is not for children.

Period.


Would it be more responsible to continue giving a child a drug that is causing severe damage to his liver and could kill him?

And those severe psychological effects are actually pretty rare, especially at low dosage.



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01 Sep 2011, 3:07 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
tenzinsmom wrote:
Reminder: the OP's question here was use of marijuana for a CHILD. That is the point, not the general merits of pot.

I'm all for making marijuana legal, growing hemp for all kinds of purposes, and for using it medically and recreationally for ADULTS.

However, the THC in the plant is mind altering. It can cause hallucinations, and it isn't negative-side-effect-free. Let's not kid ourselves.

I think it would be absolutely irresponsible to use marijuana to treat a child's conditions because of the effect is has on cognition.

It effects memory, the ability to learn, reflexes, etc...

For regular use, it is not for children.

Period.


Would it be more responsible to continue giving a child a drug that is causing severe damage to his liver and could kill him?

And those severe psychological effects are actually pretty rare, especially at low dosage.


What Drug is it we are talking about as the alternative?



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01 Sep 2011, 3:59 pm

Gedrene wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
tenzinsmom wrote:
Reminder: the OP's question here was use of marijuana for a CHILD. That is the point, not the general merits of pot.

I'm all for making marijuana legal, growing hemp for all kinds of purposes, and for using it medically and recreationally for ADULTS.

However, the THC in the plant is mind altering. It can cause hallucinations, and it isn't negative-side-effect-free. Let's not kid ourselves.

I think it would be absolutely irresponsible to use marijuana to treat a child's conditions because of the effect is has on cognition.

It effects memory, the ability to learn, reflexes, etc...

For regular use, it is not for children.

Period.


Would it be more responsible to continue giving a child a drug that is causing severe damage to his liver and could kill him?

And those severe psychological effects are actually pretty rare, especially at low dosage.


What Drug is it we are talking about as the alternative?


Well there is the drug he was on mentioned in the OP which was doing liver damage and...then switching to the alternative of medical marijuana which does no liver damage. I think no liver damage is best.



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02 Sep 2011, 4:11 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
tenzinsmom wrote:
Reminder: the OP's question here was use of marijuana for a CHILD. That is the point, not the general merits of pot.

I'm all for making marijuana legal, growing hemp for all kinds of purposes, and for using it medically and recreationally for ADULTS.

However, the THC in the plant is mind altering. It can cause hallucinations, and it isn't negative-side-effect-free. Let's not kid ourselves.

I think it would be absolutely irresponsible to use marijuana to treat a child's conditions because of the effect is has on cognition.

It effects memory, the ability to learn, reflexes, etc...

For regular use, it is not for children.

Period.


Would it be more responsible to continue giving a child a drug that is causing severe damage to his liver and could kill him?

And those severe psychological effects are actually pretty rare, especially at low dosage.


What Drug is it we are talking about as the alternative?


Well there is the drug he was on mentioned in the OP which was doing liver damage and...then switching to the alternative of medical marijuana which does no liver damage. I think no liver damage is best.


And what drug is this?



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02 Sep 2011, 8:52 am

Gedrene wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
tenzinsmom wrote:
Reminder: the OP's question here was use of marijuana for a CHILD. That is the point, not the general merits of pot.

I'm all for making marijuana legal, growing hemp for all kinds of purposes, and for using it medically and recreationally for ADULTS.

However, the THC in the plant is mind altering. It can cause hallucinations, and it isn't negative-side-effect-free. Let's not kid ourselves.

I think it would be absolutely irresponsible to use marijuana to treat a child's conditions because of the effect is has on cognition.

It effects memory, the ability to learn, reflexes, etc...

For regular use, it is not for children.

Period.


Would it be more responsible to continue giving a child a drug that is causing severe damage to his liver and could kill him?

And those severe psychological effects are actually pretty rare, especially at low dosage.


What Drug is it we are talking about as the alternative?


Well there is the drug he was on mentioned in the OP which was doing liver damage and...then switching to the alternative of medical marijuana which does no liver damage. I think no liver damage is best.


And what drug is this?


I am pretty sure it says what drug the kid was on in the OP but rispirdal.....what I was saying is marijuana is a safer alternative then the rispirdal he was on because it does not do liver damage and is just as effective with helping with the symptoms according to the person who posted this thread.
Not sure what is so unclear.



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02 Sep 2011, 9:40 am

Gutless snakes. How do these people think throwing medication down children's throats is going to solve anything? Even marijuana. Autism medication. Might well medicate cyclopia.



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02 Sep 2011, 9:50 am

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Gutless snakes. How do these people think throwing medication down children's throats is going to solve anything? Even marijuana. Autism medication. Might well medicate cyclopia.


Well if the symptoms are severe and the marijuana helps decrease them and does not cause liver damage like ripsirdal...I don't see the harm as long as the dosage is low and not being smoked. As a rule adults prescribed medicinal marijuana get to choose their ingestion method smoking, edibles, tinctrue ect. and more or less regulate their own dosage......but for a child it should be regulated by the parent and a lower amount than you would use for an adult.

I do disagree with throwing unessisary medications or medications with more risks then benifits down childrens throats, that is just wrong.



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02 Sep 2011, 9:53 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Gutless snakes. How do these people think throwing medication down children's throats is going to solve anything? Even marijuana. Autism medication. Might well medicate cyclopia.


Well if the symptoms are severe and the marijuana helps decrease them and does not cause liver damage like ripsirdal...I don't see the harm as long as the dosage is low and not being smoked. As a rule adults prescribed medicinal marijuana get to choose their ingestion method smoking, edibles, tinctrue ect. and more or less regulate their own dosage......but for a child it should be regulated by the parent and a lower amount than you would use for an adult.

I do disagree with throwing unessisary medications or medications with more risks then benifits down childrens throats, that is just wrong.


Mergh, I dislike marijuana. The problem with chemicals is that they all rely on slightly different shaped versions of normal chemicals. The Human Body isn't just some computer you can feed data in to. It's more like an extremely complex cake. Inject the wrong ingredient and the cake is ruined.



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02 Sep 2011, 10:07 am

Gedrene wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Gutless snakes. How do these people think throwing medication down children's throats is going to solve anything? Even marijuana. Autism medication. Might well medicate cyclopia.


Well if the symptoms are severe and the marijuana helps decrease them and does not cause liver damage like ripsirdal...I don't see the harm as long as the dosage is low and not being smoked. As a rule adults prescribed medicinal marijuana get to choose their ingestion method smoking, edibles, tinctrue ect. and more or less regulate their own dosage......but for a child it should be regulated by the parent and a lower amount than you would use for an adult.

I do disagree with throwing unessisary medications or medications with more risks then benifits down childrens throats, that is just wrong.


Mergh, I dislike marijuana. The problem with chemicals is that they all rely on slightly different shaped versions of normal chemicals. The Human Body isn't just some computer you can feed data in to. It's more like an extremely complex cake. Inject the wrong ingredient and the cake is ruined.


Well you can dislike it...but it does have quite a few medicinal uses, and is fairly safe compared to a lot of other drugs prescription or otherwise. Also considering all the variation that goes on...I mean even the outside environment can effect your genes and such. So its not quite as simple as 'add the wrong ingredient and the whole cake is ruined.' because it is almost impossible not to run into a few of the 'wrong' ingredients which is why a lot of disorders exist, however the disorder does not mean the person is nessisarly 'ruined.'



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02 Sep 2011, 10:37 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Gutless snakes. How do these people think throwing medication down children's throats is going to solve anything? Even marijuana. Autism medication. Might well medicate cyclopia.


Well if the symptoms are severe and the marijuana helps decrease them and does not cause liver damage like ripsirdal...I don't see the harm as long as the dosage is low and not being smoked. As a rule adults prescribed medicinal marijuana get to choose their ingestion method smoking, edibles, tinctrue ect. and more or less regulate their own dosage......but for a child it should be regulated by the parent and a lower amount than you would use for an adult.

I do disagree with throwing unessisary medications or medications with more risks then benifits down childrens throats, that is just wrong.


Mergh, I dislike marijuana. The problem with chemicals is that they all rely on slightly different shaped versions of normal chemicals. The Human Body isn't just some computer you can feed data in to. It's more like an extremely complex cake. Inject the wrong ingredient and the cake is ruined.


Well you can dislike it...but it does have quite a few medicinal uses, and is fairly safe compared to a lot of other drugs prescription or otherwise. Also considering all the variation that goes on...I mean even the outside environment can effect your genes and such. So its not quite as simple as 'add the wrong ingredient and the whole cake is ruined.' because it is almost impossible not to run into a few of the 'wrong' ingredients which is why a lot of disorders exist, however the disorder does not mean the person is nessisarly 'ruined.'

I wasn't talking about disorders being caused by anything. I was talking about the effect of cowboy chemistry on children. Anyways disorders often don't exist because of chemical causes. It's just genetic drift. As for Marijuana it's an external drug and the thing about external drugs that affect brain chemistry is that they become naturalized to the system and when that happens it isn't like serotonin where the same dosage causes the same effect time after time. Instead the body actually reacts in a way that makes it less effective at picking up the active ingredient. And to be frank marijuana has more than a few aberrant qualities even when not smoked. Like any Drug, short term usage is the ideal.



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02 Sep 2011, 10:44 am

Gedrene wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Gutless snakes. How do these people think throwing medication down children's throats is going to solve anything? Even marijuana. Autism medication. Might well medicate cyclopia.


Well if the symptoms are severe and the marijuana helps decrease them and does not cause liver damage like ripsirdal...I don't see the harm as long as the dosage is low and not being smoked. As a rule adults prescribed medicinal marijuana get to choose their ingestion method smoking, edibles, tinctrue ect. and more or less regulate their own dosage......but for a child it should be regulated by the parent and a lower amount than you would use for an adult.

I do disagree with throwing unessisary medications or medications with more risks then benifits down childrens throats, that is just wrong.


Mergh, I dislike marijuana. The problem with chemicals is that they all rely on slightly different shaped versions of normal chemicals. The Human Body isn't just some computer you can feed data in to. It's more like an extremely complex cake. Inject the wrong ingredient and the cake is ruined.


Well you can dislike it...but it does have quite a few medicinal uses, and is fairly safe compared to a lot of other drugs prescription or otherwise. Also considering all the variation that goes on...I mean even the outside environment can effect your genes and such. So its not quite as simple as 'add the wrong ingredient and the whole cake is ruined.' because it is almost impossible not to run into a few of the 'wrong' ingredients which is why a lot of disorders exist, however the disorder does not mean the person is nessisarly 'ruined.'

I wasn't talking about disorders being caused by anything. I was talking about the effect of cowboy chemistry on children. Anyways disorders often don't exist because of chemical causes. It's just genetic drift. As for Marijuana it's an external drug and the thing about external drugs that affect brain chemistry is that they become naturalized to the system and when that happens it isn't like serotonin where the same dosage causes the same effect time after time. Instead the body actually reacts in a way that makes it less effective at picking up the active ingredient. And to be frank marijuana has more than a few aberrant qualities even when not smoked. Like any Drug, short term usage is the ideal.


I am not sure how using medical marijuana to treat unpleasent symptoms of a disorder is 'cowboy chemistry' whatever that means. Also peoples bodies have chemicals and genes in them, and these things interact and can cause disorders, and just general variations between people...as a rule most disorders cannot be traced to one specific thing especially psychological disorders.

I know marijuana is an external drug and that it effects brain chemistry, but if it is being used to treat symptoms and decreases those symptoms without many negative side effects I do not see the issue there. Why should common pharmacuticals be put in a different catagory...those are also external drugs that effect brain chemistry to.

What are these aberrant qualities you are referring to?



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02 Sep 2011, 11:05 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
I am not sure how using medical marijuana to treat unpleasent symptoms of a disorder is 'cowboy chemistry' whatever that means. Also peoples bodies have chemicals and genes in them, and these things interact and can cause disorders, and just general variations between people...as a rule most disorders cannot be traced to one specific thing especially psychological disorders.


Cowboy chemistry was just a reference to the recklessness of using drugs on everything. Also don't tell me how disorders happen. I said about genes already.

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I know marijuana is an external drug and that it effects brain chemistry, but if it is being used to treat symptoms and decreases those symptoms without many negative side effects I do not see the issue there. Why should common pharmacuticals be put in a different catagory...those are also external drugs that effect brain chemistry to.

What are these aberrant qualities you are referring to?

Look, I wont get in to the specifics of pharmaceuticals and I don't doubt that people have massively overstated the dangers of Cannabis but the active ingredient THC is still somewhat addictive. It isn't as addictive as alcohol or nicotine but it's still addictive and is still psychoactive. It is a somewhat strange mix of analgesic, relaxant and painkiller too. As for what I think about common pharmaceuticals I thought the point I made was that I think it is atrocious that something with such dangerous side effects should be used.



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02 Sep 2011, 12:19 pm

Gedrene wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I am not sure how using medical marijuana to treat unpleasent symptoms of a disorder is 'cowboy chemistry' whatever that means. Also peoples bodies have chemicals and genes in them, and these things interact and can cause disorders, and just general variations between people...as a rule most disorders cannot be traced to one specific thing especially psychological disorders.


Cowboy chemistry was just a reference to the recklessness of using drugs on everything. Also don't tell me how disorders happen. I said about genes already.

Sweetleaf wrote:
I know marijuana is an external drug and that it effects brain chemistry, but if it is being used to treat symptoms and decreases those symptoms without many negative side effects I do not see the issue there. Why should common pharmacuticals be put in a different catagory...those are also external drugs that effect brain chemistry to.

What are these aberrant qualities you are referring to?

Look, I wont get in to the specifics of pharmaceuticals and I don't doubt that people have massively overstated the dangers of Cannabis but the active ingredient THC is still somewhat addictive. It isn't as addictive as alcohol or nicotine but it's still addictive and is still psychoactive. It is a somewhat strange mix of analgesic, relaxant and painkiller too. As for what I think about common pharmaceuticals I thought the point I made was that I think it is atrocious that something with such dangerous side effects should be used.


Yes I was talking about genes as well..and I was just trying to respond and I felt it was relevent information...

It can be addictive for certian individuals, and it is certainly psychoactive(so are things like anti-depressants and other prescription psych meds) Psychoactive does not nessisarly=bad and in the case of a disorder that effects the mental process a drug that has no psychoactive effects would probably do no good. It is also a painkiller, which if someone is in pain pain-relief is good.



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02 Sep 2011, 3:13 pm

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Yes I was talking about genes as well..and I was just trying to respond and I felt it was relevent information...
Well don't just repeat it. Say that what I said was correct. Like 'you're right when you said...'

Sweetleaf wrote:
It can be addictive for certian individuals, and it is certainly psychoactive(so are things like anti-depressants and other prescription psych meds) Psychoactive does not nessisarly=bad and in the case of a disorder that effects the mental process a drug that has no psychoactive effects would probably do no good. It is also a painkiller, which if someone is in pain pain-relief is good.

I know psychoactive isn't necessarily bad but if you think about all of the various effects it has on the body they are all little things that cause addiction. Analgesics, painkillers, mood dampeners and all sorts. Marijuana is a shotgun treatment, far from perfect and it doesn't deal with the root of the problem, which any good drug should. Although if I had to choose between marijuana and liver damage I'd go marijuana every time.



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Yes I was talking about genes as well..and I was just trying to respond and I felt it was relevent information...
Well don't just repeat it. Say that what I said was correct. Like 'you're right when you said...'

Sweetleaf wrote:
It can be addictive for certian individuals, and it is certainly psychoactive(so are things like anti-depressants and other prescription psych meds) Psychoactive does not nessisarly=bad and in the case of a disorder that effects the mental process a drug that has no psychoactive effects would probably do no good. It is also a painkiller, which if someone is in pain pain-relief is good.

I know psychoactive isn't necessarily bad but if you think about all of the various effects it has on the body they are all little things that cause addiction. Analgesics, painkillers, mood dampeners and all sorts. Marijuana is a shotgun treatment, far from perfect and it doesn't deal with the root of the problem, which any good drug should. Although if I had to choose between marijuana and liver damage I'd go marijuana every time.


Such as? not quite sure what an analgestic is.....but one of the resons medicinal marijuana has become quite popular in some states is because it is much less addictive than most prescription pain-killers so its a safer alternative. Of course marijuana is not perfect nor is any drug, most medications in general do not adress the root of the problem and are to just relieve symptoms.



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Such as? not quite sure what an analgestic is.....but one of the resons medicinal marijuana has become quite popular in some states is because it is much less addictive than most prescription pain-killers so its a safer alternative. Of course marijuana is not perfect nor is any drug, most medications in general do not adress the root of the problem and are to just relieve symptoms.


Analgesic is not what the name suggests. It's the technical term for painkiller. THe problem is though is that I can name all sorts of random drugs that have the specific affect of relieving symptoms like pain. Codeine for example, paracetamol is another and they don't have the shotgun effect of Marijuana that makes it dangerous. The problem is that in the end this kid shouldn't have to use drugs at all for having autism. All they're doing is ramming him in to line so that they don't have to deal with the problem any more.