I Am Autism - The War On Autism
Because it IS a disorder. An Autistic Spectrum Disorder. whether you like it or not
So we just have to take the words of the "professionals"? I bet their ego's are enormous!
Establish-mental and ant-establishment extremism by default doesn't work in day to day society. Remember the pathologist and professionals in general are human as well. The original reason to define something as a disorder (disease) and so on is not out of hate or intolerance but the cultural manifestion of helpful adaptations. It is not so much mainstream culture in day to day life just ingrained in some awareness techniques.
I don't think the people that create and study criterion would care if awareness included concepts like disorder, syndrome and so on. Some of this is self-perpetuating and self-inflicted because people call themselves disorders and associate with it so I don't see why people complain so much. In day to day life I don't call people aspies, auties, ret*ds, downies (downers) or palsies. If thats a philosophy you encourage and embrace that's your choice.
Nathan Young
An awkward viewpoint.
Its a viewpoint shared by the majority of society. Its served me well. I freeze up around people more disabled then me, I feel worthless when I am with disabled people.
An awkward viewpoint.
Its a viewpoint shared by the majority of society. Its served me well. I freeze up around people more disabled then me, I feel worthless when I am with disabled people.
I am not sure why you feel this way and the reasons expressed ultimately do not preclude alternative reasons. I will just leave this as it is and let others think about it.
Many people with disabilities share the same viewpoint as Craig28 in that manor. Even those in care or mental health settings will attempt to associate themselves with the group they percieve are superior (usually the support staff) and disassociate themselves with their peers.
The fault does not lay with those individuals, it squarely rests on society which creates such stigma in people with disabilities. I have known a person with a physical disability in a wheelchair who managed to get a job working on a factory line. Each shift they would rather piss n crap themselves then ask to goto toilet as they did not wish to be percieved as workshy or lazy or sponger by their employer such was their anxiety to be accepted by mainstream society.
Its a harsh world if you wish to be a true individual and reject conformity
The fault does not lay with those individuals, it squarely rests on society which creates such stigma in people with disabilities. I have known a person with a physical disability in a wheelchair who managed to get a job working on a factory line. Each shift they would rather piss n crap themselves then ask to goto toilet as they did not wish to be percieved as workshy or lazy or sponger by their employer such was their anxiety to be accepted by mainstream society.
Its a harsh world if you wish to be a true individual and reject conformity
Oh yes I am well aware of this psychopathy and do not embrace it. We will see things socially evolve where this sort of kind of thing is reduced and transfered otherwise. It's something I'd rather not detail at this time as it is vastly more complex. It's my job to understand these things.
The fault does not lay with those individuals, it squarely rests on society which creates such stigma in people with disabilities. I have known a person with a physical disability in a wheelchair who managed to get a job working on a factory line. Each shift they would rather piss n crap themselves then ask to goto toilet as they did not wish to be percieved as workshy or lazy or sponger by their employer such was their anxiety to be accepted by mainstream society.
Its a harsh world if you wish to be a true individual and reject conformity
Oh yes I am well aware of this psychopathy and do not embrace it. We will see things socially evolve where this sort of kind of thing is reduced and transfered otherwise. It's something I'd rather not detail at this time as it is vastly more complex. It's my job to understand these things.
I didn't think you liked labels. Craig28 gave an honest, and frankly considering the audience he is speaking to, a brave reply to what he does to make it in the world. If a person chooses to interact with people unlike themselves, that's their business. If you want to disagree with their opinion that's your business. What ever method a person uses to survive and fit in society, may be extremely difficult and sometimes humiliating, but that certainly does not fit the definition of psychopathy. Yes, if you want to call it psychopathy that's your business. But, I'm just bringing to your attention that it is an offensive term for those of us who have had to take great efforts to fit in and make it in the real world if we wanted to put food on the table for our families.
Molecular_Biologist
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If a child has cystic fibrosis or muscular dystrophy, everyone acknowledges how horrible those diseases are and that the children need treatment.
In the case of autism, a parent of a severely disabled autistic child will come to realize that their children will probably never live independently or hold a job.
Then they see the relentlessly positive high functioning individuals blithely say that autism isn't a disease and that it doesn't need to be cured.
The parents know that scientific research funds are scarce with dozens of other causes competing for the same research dollars. They panic that the public will believe the line that autism "isn't a disease" and research funding will dry up, leaving their children without help.
The overly-positive distortions presented by the pro-autism crowd is directly causing the panicked reactionary response from autism speaks.
There are neurotypicals who will never live independently or hold a job. Does that mean we must demonise all of them, and insist they must be cured, to make the parents of those few happy?
A rather ridiculous response.
You speak as if a cure would have to be forced upon someone who is suffering from any of the other incurable diseases which destroys lives. I bet nearly all would leap at a cure for whatever ails them if given an opportunity.
I am far more disgusted by those who got lucky enough to end up on the better end of the spectrum attacking a group of parents for wanting to cure their low functioning children.
Molecular_Biologist
Deinonychus
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You are making one giant mistake in assuming autism is a disease - this is simply not been proven to be so as of yet.
It is obviously a disease to anyone who hasn't bought into the pro-autism delusion.
Could you show proof of your convictions?
Gladly.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21074045
A model for neural development and treatment of Rett syndrome using human induced pluripotent stem cells.
Abstract:
Autism spectrum disorders (ASD) are complex neurodevelopmental diseases in which different combinations of genetic mutations may contribute to the phenotype. Using Rett syndrome (RTT) as an ASD genetic model, we developed a culture system using induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs) from RTT patients' fibroblasts. RTT patients' iPSCs are able to undergo X-inactivation and generate functional neurons. Neurons derived from RTT-iPSCs had fewer synapses, reduced spine density, smaller soma size, altered calcium signaling and electrophysiological defects when compared to controls. Our data uncovered early alterations in developing human RTT neurons. Finally, we used RTT neurons to test the effects of drugs in rescuing synaptic defects. Our data provide evidence of an unexplored developmental window, before disease onset, in RTT syndrome where potential therapies could be successfully employed. Our model recapitulates early stages of a human neurodevelopmental disease and represents a promising cellular tool for drug screening, diagnosis and personalized treatment.
The scientific community views autism spectrum disorders as diseases.
Just because wrong planet says that 2+2 = 5 doesn't make it so.
The delusion that "austism isn't a disease" may sooth egos on this website, but it holds no weight in the real world.
Alright Molecular_Biologist while your views have credible logical frameworks there would be no way the scientific community and even the general public would adopt your approach in public relations. Try and think about ways that can respect both sides and not allow your frustrations to manifest so harshly. This can be difficult less it is for constructive reasons. 1+1 = 2 in public relations is not the same as 1+1 = 2 in scientific discourse amongst science majors with no personal bias.
You are making one giant mistake in assuming autism is a disease - this is simply not been proven to be so as of yet.
It is obviously a disease to anyone who hasn't bought into the pro-autism delusion.
Could you show proof of your convictions?
Gladly.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21074045
A model for neural development and treatment of Rett syndrome using human induced pluripotent stem cells.
Abstract:
Autism spectrum disorders (ASD) are complex neurodevelopmental diseases in which different combinations of genetic mutations may contribute to the phenotype. Using Rett syndrome (RTT) as an ASD genetic model, we developed a culture system using induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs) from RTT patients' fibroblasts. RTT patients' iPSCs are able to undergo X-inactivation and generate functional neurons. Neurons derived from RTT-iPSCs had fewer synapses, reduced spine density, smaller soma size, altered calcium signaling and electrophysiological defects when compared to controls. Our data uncovered early alterations in developing human RTT neurons. Finally, we used RTT neurons to test the effects of drugs in rescuing synaptic defects. Our data provide evidence of an unexplored developmental window, before disease onset, in RTT syndrome where potential therapies could be successfully employed. Our model recapitulates early stages of a human neurodevelopmental disease and represents a promising cellular tool for drug screening, diagnosis and personalized treatment.
The scientific community views autism spectrum disorders as a diseases.
Just because wrong planet says that 2+2 = 5 doesn't make it so.
The delusion that "austism isn't a disease" may sooth egos on this website, but it holds no weight in the real world.
I am glad you bring arguments to the table, I will get back on this later since my medical knowledge lacks to correctly interpret what is said here.
I'll ask a friend of mine to go over this document, since he does have the knowledge and education to make sense of this all.
Since my medical knowledge is too small to interpret this correctly I do hope your arguments on that autism being a disease aren't just based upon the phrasing used in this document.
I see you soon.
Cheerfully,
Wallourdes
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Wallourdes someone claiming to have A.S told me the aspie perspective was against the medicalization of autism and A.S. He told me I was ignorant and so on. This sort of aspie politics without the adoption of mainstream scientific acceptance just entices me to conclude it is a political groups perspective. Should it be rationalized both aspie social clique politics and insults should be left out of the discourse. My understanding just from a PR stance is the nature of pathology tends to conceptualize concepts as diseases by default. Therefore it is a matter of self-esteem and not mainstream opinion per say that is connotative of insult.
Awareness can be split off from disorder awarenesses and with concern to inclusion awareness and developmental disabilities in general I follow the law by the letter. Dignity prevails and difference is just difference. To say autism is not a disability derives attention to special interest that do not wish to help people with substantial disabilities. So the ego complex while not obviously causing problems to preserve the self-esteem can do damage to other kinds of awareness that seek to improve quality of life.
This is my assessment and by it's nature fractions off into mainstream politics.
Molecular_Biologist
Deinonychus
Joined: 18 May 2010
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 329
Location: My own world
You are making one giant mistake in assuming autism is a disease - this is simply not been proven to be so as of yet.
It is obviously a disease to anyone who hasn't bought into the pro-autism delusion.
Could you show proof of your convictions?
Gladly.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21074045
A model for neural development and treatment of Rett syndrome using human induced pluripotent stem cells.
Abstract:
Autism spectrum disorders (ASD) are complex neurodevelopmental diseases in which different combinations of genetic mutations may contribute to the phenotype. Using Rett syndrome (RTT) as an ASD genetic model, we developed a culture system using induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSCs) from RTT patients' fibroblasts. RTT patients' iPSCs are able to undergo X-inactivation and generate functional neurons. Neurons derived from RTT-iPSCs had fewer synapses, reduced spine density, smaller soma size, altered calcium signaling and electrophysiological defects when compared to controls. Our data uncovered early alterations in developing human RTT neurons. Finally, we used RTT neurons to test the effects of drugs in rescuing synaptic defects. Our data provide evidence of an unexplored developmental window, before disease onset, in RTT syndrome where potential therapies could be successfully employed. Our model recapitulates early stages of a human neurodevelopmental disease and represents a promising cellular tool for drug screening, diagnosis and personalized treatment.
The scientific community views autism spectrum disorders as a diseases.
Just because wrong planet says that 2+2 = 5 doesn't make it so.
The delusion that "austism isn't a disease" may sooth egos on this website, but it holds no weight in the real world.
I am glad you bring arguments to the table, I will get back on this later since my medical knowledge lacks to correctly interpret what is said here.
I'll ask a friend of mine to go over this document, since he does have the knowledge and education to make sense of this all.
Since my medical knowledge is too small to interpret this correctly I do hope your arguments on that autism being a disease aren't just based upon the phrasing used in this document.
I see you soon.
Cheerfully,
Wallourdes
The medical definition of "disease"
disease /dis·ease/ (dĭ-zēz´) any deviation from or interruption of the normal structure or function of any body part, organ, or system that is manifested by a characteristic set of symptoms and signs and whose etiology, pathology, and prognosis may be known or unknown.
Words have meanings. Autism clearly fits into the above definition.
When people say that autism or asperger isn't a disease, they are twisting the truth for their own ends.
You may not like your condition being called a disease, but truth isn't a popularity contest.
Awareness can be split off from disorder awarenesses and with concern to inclusion awareness and developmental disabilities in general I follow the law by the letter. Dignity prevails and difference is just difference. To say autism is not a disability derives attention to special interest that do not wish to help people with substantial disabilities. So the ego complex while not obviously causing problems to preserve the self-esteem can do damage to other kinds of awareness that seek to improve quality of life.
This is my assessment and by it's nature fractions off into mainstream politics.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion so does Molecular_Biologist even though he might be a minority here on WrongPlanet with his opinion on this subject.
If he can indisputably claim that autism is in fact a disease just like a the known physical ones, let him show his arguments for it - arguments make the claim so discuss the arguments not solely the claim, because a claim is a conclusion to it's arguments.
I understand the emotions that play in this but let's keep it as factual as possible from now on.
Cheerfully,
Wallourdes
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"It all start with Hoborg, a being who had to create, because... he had to. He make the world full of beauty and wonder. This world, the Neverhood, a world where he could live forever and ever more!"
Emotions are facts as well. I believe dignity is the law is what I'm saying least in California under the Lanterman Act. Also with regards to autism whether or not it is a disease ultimately does not dictate how dignity is standardized. There might be unwritten rules of how public discourse should be but ultimately it might end up being a cultural matter on how society perceives "disabilities" and the subsequent classifications.
This issue is mainstream political in indirect manifestations. If this comes down to reducing and or removing accommodations for employment or treatments in root it is no longer a scientific issue but a purely socio-political and mainstream cultural issue.
Just a bit of warning.
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