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18 May 2011, 2:27 am

In primitive societies the smartest guys had the most kids.

That's why the Aspie gene has survived.

We have to adapt to prosper and continue the genes!

NTs are generally sheep!



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18 May 2011, 2:39 am

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I am an autistic supremacist and i made a website to correctly represent autism. i was wondering if anyone else agrees with my opinions.

We do not reign supreme to anyone, and no other neurological groups reign supreme over us.
Why do you think this is the "correct" way to represent autism? Whilst I'm all for people promoting autism positively, we are no better than NTs and they are no better than ourselves.
Below is a quote from your website's homepage:
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I just believe that it is time for autistic people to take the lead, and relieve the responsibilities of running a society from NTs. Running a country and a society the NT way just doesn't make sense any longer, the last few decades alone are proof alone. It is time for a real change in America, the autistic way.

I think personally it would be best if Neurotypical and Neurodiverse people actually came together to change the world for the better, rather than one leading the other.


Thank you. The truth is that Autism Spectrum Disorders are infact, disorders. It's not all about being quirky and being very smart when it comes to technology and science. Most of us struggle with ASD in some aspect or another. It's not uncommon for people with ASD have trouble with finding jobs, making and keeping relationships and other things. Are we really better of than NT's? Some of us may have easier lives than some NT's in this world, but I don't buy into the Autism Supremacy and hate the whole "we are superior to others" belief that some people have. I'm not saying that an Aspie can't be really successful, but most of us will just be average folks who have nothing special to show the world.



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18 May 2011, 2:48 am

MyWorld wrote:
TenPencePiece wrote:
aspie48 wrote:
I am an autistic supremacist and i made a website to correctly represent autism. i was wondering if anyone else agrees with my opinions.

We do not reign supreme to anyone, and no other neurological groups reign supreme over us.
Why do you think this is the "correct" way to represent autism? Whilst I'm all for people promoting autism positively, we are no better than NTs and they are no better than ourselves.
Below is a quote from your website's homepage:
Quote:
I just believe that it is time for autistic people to take the lead, and relieve the responsibilities of running a society from NTs. Running a country and a society the NT way just doesn't make sense any longer, the last few decades alone are proof alone. It is time for a real change in America, the autistic way.

I think personally it would be best if Neurotypical and Neurodiverse people actually came together to change the world for the better, rather than one leading the other.


Thank you. The truth is that Autism Spectrum Disorders are infact, disorders. It's not all about being quirky and being very smart when it comes to technology and science. Most of us struggle with ASD in some aspect or another. It's not uncommon for people with ASD have trouble with finding jobs, making and keeping relationships and other things. Are we really better of than NT's? Some of us may have easier lives than some NT's in this world, but I don't buy into the Autism Supremacy and hate the whole "we are superior to others" belief that some people have. I'm not saying that an Aspie can't be really successful, but most of us will just be average folks who have nothing special to show the world.


Its only a disorder if you allow it to be!

Play to your strengths and disguise you weaknesses!

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18 May 2011, 2:54 am

It is hard to fight a war if one is blinded by pride which then becomes weakness.


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18 May 2011, 2:58 am

Very Zen but not much help in reality!



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18 May 2011, 5:09 am

I will not read any of this. I will not try to understand you. This is wrong. No one is better than anyone else, and I have been through enough to determine that. While yes we have some strengths, we also have weaknesses, and as humans that goes for all of us on and off the spectrum. To some extent, it makes a bit of sense, but when speaking realistically, it makes absolutely none. Everyone on the spectrum are human beings. Don't consider us anything but that.



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18 May 2011, 8:04 am

I don't like autistic supremacy, or any type of supremacy for that matter.


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18 May 2011, 11:17 am

ProudAspie wrote:
Very Zen but not much help in reality!


Pride has in many ways defeated itself and alienated itself from allies. Not understanding ego has created more barriers, division and conflict for others who have nothing to do with the conflict. There are different ways of fighting a social war to enact change. That is why two or more groups of advocacy progress have to be made. If you are very high functioning people who have different needs had to be separated politically from those who happened to be publicly very destructive as they were not in the best interest of individuals who were more in need.

If one cannot swallow his or her own pride when needed to see the bigger picture as they are blinded by pride then it is a weakness and dangerous.


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18 May 2011, 11:38 am

ci wrote:
ProudAspie wrote:
Very Zen but not much help in reality!


Pride has in many ways defeated itself and alienated itself from allies. eh?

Not understanding ego has created more barriers, division and conflict for others who have nothing to do with the conflict. There are different ways of fighting a social war to enact change. Agreed name them
That is why two or more groups of advocacy progress have to be made. Name the two groups
If you are very high functioning people who have different needs had to be separated politically from those who happened to be publicly very destructive as they were not in the best interest of individuals who were more in need. Sorry mate this doesn't make sense]
If one cannot swallow his or her own pride when needed to see the bigger picture as they are blinded by pride then it is a weakness and dangerous. Again, I am not sure which is poorer the logic or the grammar


Mate

Have you ever found that this rhetoric has ever worked in the real world?

Why don't you apply to the State Department and go have a talk to the Taliban?

Better yet, run for congress, you show a strong apptitude to be a politician.

All form no substance.



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18 May 2011, 11:56 am

I can see why you wouldn't like what I have to say. Yet I've observed the behaviors of the political pride movement and how people react to it. Just the same you offer very little substance as far as potential outcomes and just conflict them vs. us rheteric. Pride tends to focus on using other peoples self-esteems to create anger to then resolve problems. I think this is short sided, manipulative and harmful.

I have no interest in running for a political office. My sensory integration issues are much greater then the pride-mites that otherwise lead for the most part typical lives. These pride folks want to lesson the condition and tell the world it's a great thing and so why would they fund social services. Seems as if pride could be a front to use individuals self-esteems for political purposes.


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18 May 2011, 12:06 pm

ci wrote:
I can see why you wouldn't like what I have to say. Yet I've observed the behaviors of the political pride movement and how people react to it. Just the same you offer very little substance as far as potential outcomes and just conflict them vs. us rheteric. Pride tends to focus on using other peoples self-esteems to create anger to then resolve problems. I think this is short sided, manipulative and harmful.

I have no interest in running for a political office. My sensory integration issues are much greater then the pride-mites that otherwise lead for the most part typical lives. These pride folks want to lesson the condition and tell the world it's a great thing and so why would they fund social services. Seems as if pride could be a front to use individuals self-esteems for political purposes.


Mate

You are under a mishapprehension.

I am not part of any organised "Aspie Pride" body.

Just proud of myself and of my acheivements!

I presume this "Pride"organisation is a California thing.

Good onya!



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18 May 2011, 12:13 pm

Pride is a modality. Once you combine a condition and the self and are proud there is indirect causals socially and politically. Especially when you propose a "them" vs. "us" type of confrontation. The most logical thing would be to decline the label as the original stereotype otherwise what pride usually does is attempts to re-define the condition as a whole with deluted philosophies and place the condition as center to the self notion. No here in California people first language is well respected especially in disability advocacy circles. Pride tends to demand one place the label before the self or to identify the label as self such as autistic. Further in their political "programming" creating social and general psychological sensitivity toward the label notion and self.

I've taken time to understand some of what is going on. As a rule of law the right to dignity and the label does not supersede the right to treatment or relevant treatment (quality of life) pursuits and the label. When others make it a priority to assert otherwise for political reasons it needs to be questioned. Autism is not written on my forehead for instance.

Then next onto the abortion politics and pride..


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18 May 2011, 12:27 pm

ci wrote:
Pride is a modality. Once you combine a condition and the self and are proud there is indirect causals socially and politically. Especially when you propose a "them" vs. "us" type of confrontation. The most logical thing would be to decline the label as the original stereotype otherwise what pride usually does is attempts to re-define the condition as a whole with deluted philosophies and place the condition as center to the self notion. No here in California people first language is well respected especially in disability advocacy circles. Pride tends to demand one place the label before the self or to identify the label as self such as autistic. Further in their political "programming" creating social and general psychological sensitivity toward the label notion and self.

I've taken time to understand some of what is going on. As a rule of law the right to dignity and the label does not supersede the right to treatment or relevant treatment (quality of life) pursuits and the label. When others make it a priority to assert otherwise for political reasons it needs to be questioned. Autism is not written on my forehead for instance.

Then next onto the abortion politics and pride..


Were you the only survivor when your spaceship crash landed on this planet?



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18 May 2011, 12:30 pm

It's a joke based on the premise of this website.

As far as extraterrestrials existing while fantasy leads to thought of possibilities and then of a certain likelihood it is neither false or true for certain. If something cannot be proven it is simply not yet fact. The thoughts of being an alien when relevant to autism might have to do with the differences of how one experiences life. When one is aware of these differences and yet would like to fit in they can feel perhaps like an alien would feel in a human world. Yet people with autism are not aliens and in social discourse could end up being perceived much like a stereotype or a put down to some.


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18 May 2011, 12:33 pm

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It's a joke based on the premise of this website.

As far as extraterrestrials existing while fantasy leads to thought of possibilities and then of a certain likelihood it is neither false or true for certain. If something cannot be proven it is simply not yet fact. The thoughts of being an alien when relevant to autism might have to do with the differences of how one experiences life. When one is aware of these differences and yet would like to fit in they can feel perhaps like an alien would feel in a human world. Yet people with autism are not aliens and in social discourse could end up being perceived much like a stereotype or a put down to some.


How do you like California mate?



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18 May 2011, 12:35 pm

Living in a military family I've been to different states. I can't see much of a difference really from one to the other.


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