The autism spectrum is a partial lie

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As far as cure I just believe it to be a plight in PR to achieve improvements. However a total cure may not happen the approach simply derives revenue to improve potentials. The key to improving inclusion and it's accommodation to co-exist with greator ease is awareness. That's part of what I do where I live. It's all part of one large and complex means of improving quality of life with some components called treatment, inclusion, adaptation and diversity. They all go hand in hand.

Gentlemen, there is no cure for what we have. We are all capable neurologically. What people say about those who have our level of mental prowess is wrong. We are just different. As for those who are low-functioning or moderate cases, they have other problems on top of our difference. As for reconciling us capable ones with society, effective integration and productivity, I think that just requires learning some concepts of how others work. After then the stress and from their view the unusual or inappropriate behaviour should subside enough that we capable ones will be able to integrate finally.

There are obstacles though. ci points out that various organisations help, but by making us dependent, not solving our issues. This is only an example. Sweetleaf pointed out another example another example: Modern societies are often simply alienating to even normal types.

To challenged the conception of us not having some disorder and actually just being different I made up a word, a word with no meaning: Gedrene. This I think gives us an adequate identity of being different and not deficient.

Well in my case it tends to be a little more then a difference....I really do struggle with some things, but my goal is not to be integreated in what society says I should be........and unfortunatly it seems like that is the approach a lot of people try to use...and then of course I disagree because why should my goal be to assimulate into a sick society....which is what we have in my opinion.

Not to mention there is that sort of mentality that if one has something like autism they don't know whats best for them or what they really want......and thus need to be trained to function more 'normal' more for the benifit of society then their benifit.

And what deficiency do you have? Also don't worry I am wanting some sort of self-determination but best to go in steps. Also integration doesn't mean being a sick bastard. It means getting on in life.



Not my intention at all.

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IT can go both ways. We imagine we are simply different and this motivates self-esteem wheras we imagine we are defective and we invision impossilities to achieve. However the other way around is we enforce we are simply different and no one pays for programs and other forms of help and more then a few of us die on the streets. As far as cure I am fairly open minded to that concept.I think it's possible to cure the inability to speak and I think in time it is possible to cure sensory integration issues. However I don't imagine it is possible to re-wire the brain. I think that's where the confusion lays and the confusion in awareness that shall exist by saying cures for autism when we separate differing symptoms applied to individuals from profound, severe, substantial and mild. People think of autism as a label and to imply cures could confound them. I'd certainly enjoy being cured from exclusion and I believe societal and system change (wheras to cure society and the system) is very much part of that. I am not the only problem that exist and yes I can be humble enough to admit I do need to change or work on some things to better be abled.

And what deficiency do you have? Also don't worry I am wanting some sort of self-determination but best to go in steps. Also integration doesn't mean being a sick bastard. It means getting on in life.

[quote="Sweetleaf]
Not to mention there is that sort of mentality that if one has something like autism they don't know whats best for them or what they really want......and thus need to be trained to function more 'normal' more for the benifit of society then their benifit.[/quote]

Not my intention at all.[/quote]

I know, I mean a lot of people in general tend to have the mindset, no one here I don't think. And I have quite a bit of trouble with social skills, I am not worried about coming of as NT but I cannot really walk up to someone I don't know and start a conversation I will talk if someone talks to me first though. I usually can't make eye contact with people I don't know and its even hard with people I do know. Also though I am intelligent and am usually thinking about a lot of things at once I still come off as slow because it takes longer for my brain to process outside things I guess....its hard for me to express a lot of emotions, I don't really have control over my body language or facial expressions like if I am talking I might make a lot of hand movements maybe even rub on my face whatever without being totally aware of it which obvoiusly people can make fun of me for. And then I have depression, anxiety and PTSD in combination with AS that I know of I could have other issues to.

And I meant society is sick so perfectly assimulating to society is not my goal..getting on with life is good, but on my own terms.

So? Your earlier years have made you shy. That's typical for someone who has been bullied.

I don't need you looking in my eeys right now to have a conversation with you. To be honest you have to consider the possibility that for us constantly bolting your eyes into another's is unnatural. Occasional glances are okay. Furthermore no one actually has constant eye contact with another anyway unless they're Charles Manson.

Sweetleaf, most people don't think that hard about when they speak. What you need is to calm down. You're getting caught up because of anxiety about what others may think. The fact is most people just do bullshitting, they talk about complete crap all the time.

Screw those bastards. I wouldn't get uppity about such things. They're like hawks trying to pick out things they can take the piss out of you for without any rhyme or reason.

Well I used to feel depressed and anxious. The anxiety is due to a lack of understanding of other's intentions. The depression is because of the actual occasions when people make you feel bad. If you understand why, and hopefully what I have said helped, then you'll feel less anxious and your new knowledge will insulate you from other people's BS. As for PTSD, well you don't seem that PTSD. Anyways, this AS is not some barrier. You're imagining impossible to defeat barriers. Actual effort will get you out of there. One way to feel good is exercise actually. It soaks up thinking time that would be spent sad and it helps fill you with nice pleasurable endorphins. Not to mention that but good health in general makes you feel better naturally.




We all have that feeling when young, but it's a reaction against oppression. We all have to trudge along through life and I know it is sick. That's why I feel like creating a new one. But right now grim determination is a good quality to have.

Well right now I am determined to find a fairly long term way of surviving......eventually I will have to get a college degree or drop out and attempt to find work to survive and then there are some things I would like to do. But I don't see myself surviving very long in this society so I will have to find an alternative to the traditional work, to buy things you don't need, to forget about all your troubles, and feed the pigs so to speak.

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I only meant to help you. In the end you decide. I just gave you some basic avenues to get out.

Sometimes, if a person fits enough diagnostic criterion for a specific disorder (like Asperger Disorder), but they also present with a couple of overlapping symptoms of another disorder (for example, inattentiveness and hyperactivity which are also seen in ADHD), then a shrink will oftentimes decide to give an official diagnosis of the disorder that seems more troublesome from an insurance company's standpoint (in this example, a diagnosis of ADHD instead of AS). Even if the symptoms presented most resemble those of AS, insurance companies will be more likely to pay for social skills training and any medications if the diagnosis is ADHD. I also suspect this is true because there are actual pharmaceutical drugs approved to treat ADHD (read: money to be made), whereas there are no drugs and few therapies FDA-approved to treat ASD's.

I realise that, but as lightly as you might take those problems I described......I don't really take them that lightly because they do significantly cause my quality of life to be a bit less then I would like it to be. And a lot of those are certainly related to the AS so I can't pretend like there are only positives to having AS.

and a lot of that was sort of innaccurate and not quite true about me so maybe that advice works for people who those things are true about.

I never said there are positives to AS or negatives. I just said different. And it isn't correlated, only causative.



What was inaccurate?

I am not shy, I just have difficulties interacting.
You seemed to think I think constant invasive eye contact is nessisary in conversation, when I was more just saying even when I would like to make eye contact I can't or have a hard time with it.
calming down and ridding myself of anxiety does not make me any less likely to 'think that hard while speaking'.
I am suffering from legitimate anxiety and depression as in the mental illnesses.....not just natural anxiety to anxiety provoking situations though I have pleanty of that sort of anxiety and depression on top of that.
And as much as I don't seem like I have PTSD I do and its not pleasent.....also it makes me feel worse when people try to imply I am exageretting or making things up...sorry it was hard for me to deal with a lockdown where a girl I had known in middle school got shot and resulted in PTSD I already have had people tell me 'you should not have been so effected.'

I actually adressed all this in my last response to your longer post, and it probably makes more sense so I would suggest going back and reading that if any of this is unclear and if you want to know all of the things I felt where inaccurate.

First: That's the point. The expectation other people put on you is overriding your natural judgement. I mean, not looking at someone when you're speaking to them. Big whoop. Your wish to want to look at them is based on peer pressure.
Second: Does it not? Thinking too hard about something at the time can actually make you worse at it.
Third: No, I know how psychological disorders work. I was trying to help you get out of them because they're psychological. Moping and using them as impenitrable barriers wont work because they can be overcome with effort. Don't tell me about them if you aren't going to do something about them. For me it took understanding and acceptance. I was like you. I didn't turtle up though.
Fourth: What? As a kid I used to feel bad really bad when people said I was exaggerating or making things up, but then I just took the view that if I answer them truthfully then whatever.
Fifth: How did a girl in your school getting shot result in you getting PTSD?

1.Actually all of my thoughts and feelings are not based on other peoples expectations, if they where I would be trying to follow all the rules. I just do not enjoy some of the problems that come from some of my difficulties. I am fine with just looking people in the eyes on occasion if I feel like it, but the trouble is even when I would prefer to make eye contact I cannot. And I actually usually do not give in to pure pressure....mostly because I don't want to but also because soemtimes I just dont understand whatever social norm it is people expect me to follow.

2. And I don't how to say anything really without thinking about what I am going to say first, sorry if that bothers you or anyone else I am fine with it because I don't like small talk anyways. But it still can cause unpleasent social situations that cause me pain.

3.I have serious depression, I do my best not to mope about but it is something I have to live with every day and sometimes it gets so bad I become sucidal, and that is a very scary unpleasent place to be. I can't just up and get over having a mental illness with pure willpower.....I can cope with it the best I can though. coping=doing something about it.
but thank you for being another person to tell me how I need to 'get up and do something about it.' or 'just get over it' When I have been having to cope with depression for most of my life mostly alone because no one knew or cared...and I can cope but it is not realistic for people to assume I can just think it away. have you ever been severly depressed for 14 years?

4. I am not talking about when I was a child.....I am talking about even now it is never pleasent to have someone to accuse you of lying when you aren't.

5. I am not sure exactly why I got PTSD....all I know is I was sitting in the classroom reading and an announcement came on and told us something about a Code White alert(apprantly that is code word for lockdown). So the teacher turned off the lights told us to sit on the floor out of the view of windows and doors. during this a girl told me she was suprised I was not the psychopath with the gun which did not help......I mean I guess she did not think maybe I was not enjoying it anymore then her. Then a cop with a gun drawn came in to escort us downstairs to another room, the swat team was in the hallways. Then we got evacuated to another building where we sat for hours until they finally had us get on buses to be taken to the elementary school to get picked up. I assumed I was fine the following days because I had felt somewhat calm during the whole ordeal while a lot of others where crying and such. But then when we went back to school I noticed I could not focus on reading which had been my favorite activity up until that took place. I still tried to ignore it, tried to convince myself I had not been affected after all, I did not see the girl get shot so I figured it might cause ridicule and felt I could not handle that......but yeah I have all the required symptoms.

First: Don't force yourself to do anything. It's not helping you obviously.
Second: Everyone feels pain. I do. I didn't let myself become overwhelmed psychologically and believe me I went through a real s**t stage of my life filled with misery, stress and bouts of depression.
Third: Look, coping does not mean the same as ending. Furthermore, no amount of time makes it so significant. And no problem, I do like telling people the obvious when they shy from it, especially since I had it myselkf. I didn't just let it overcome me though. Best to overcome though in the end. In any case you sound like you're in a limbo where you're out of control of your body. That unhealthy outlook is why your depression persists and most of the time these things do persist because of outlook.
Fourth: Same. But as I said, I just answer.
Fifth: That jerk didn't help.

In any case you sound like you're in a limbo where you're out of control of your body. That