Autism Speaks Seeks to develop prenatal abortion tests?

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Behavior wise, I absolutely see a difference. I've attended an autism youth group, and it almost convinced me I didn't have any form of autism whatsoever. It wasn't until I learned the other members had HFA that things fell into place.



So they did after all? I wish they didn't. The autistic people who I feel I relate to, and with whom I identify, and remotely resemble my level of functioning have Aspergers, not HFA.

i thought this post was about autism speaks and pre natal testing.i guess the original post was just a "PREQUEL TO THREAD JACKING"

Frankly, that seems to be the usual form on this board and I am tired of it.

There are a handful of people who seem only interested in a form of "online Gladiators" that focuses on scoring points by twisting the words of the perceived opponent (often blindly - resulting in significant deviation from the topic, as well as reality and common sense) and thread jacking towards flogging personal (and usually stone dead) hobby horses.

Some threads are even opened with the clear intention of provoking this.

It isn't down to any one person, or even any one side of any given issue, but it is becoming ridiculous.

In the past couple of weeks 4 trolls were blocked who were staying a lot closer to the thread and board topics than some of the most regular posters ever attempt to do.

They were also, frankly, a darn sight more interesting than this interminable rally of passive aggression where *real* discussion of "Autism Politics, Activism, and Media Representation" should be.

It would be nice to keep on the subject, but I have this tendency to respond to what the other person starts talking about. I like to call it reciprocity. I would also like to note that the person for whom created any comments that then caused any veering off topic were the OP. If it isn't the case that we veered off topic, then yay!

When I said there was more than one person involved and on more than one side of the issues I meant it..very literally...each of us can only control our own behaviour.

I would think that you would know that by now too. I would also think that you know by now that I tend to respond to things people say to me no matter how off-topic, personal or downright salacious they are being.

Never said much of the above. They should however raise their own money instead of making false accusations in the attempt to steal thus evade the rights of others. It's not illegal but they have crossed a line. Using abortion to guilt the aware public and asking for money in the same context. It's rude and they don't know PR they just know how to be destructive even if it hurts individuals with autism just so they can make political points. .

There: You just said one of the points I showed you did. Money no longer funding some cure for yourself because ASAN agitates against it has nothing to do with some 'right to cure'. So in a gap of 0 posts you managed to contradict yourself, unless of course you are actually advocating that ASAN is 'stealing' money.

There you go again: You have a personal problem with them talking about how something if it diverts away from funding towards a cure, thus you would abridge freedom of speech.

As for 'false accusations' that phrase came out of nowhere. I have asked you so many times already that I tired of asking 'where's the proof'?

It is very relevant Mr. G They do not choose something and seek to take away from it. When it's a very big world to like I have done raise money for things we choose. What they are doing is biased to make money against others choices and commonly make claims that don't add up. We all have a freedom of speech and I said it's not illegal but I consider what they do very selfish based on taking things far to personally. Evading the right to treatment development when seeing the disorder label as a disorder label about hardships to overcome them is common sense. they which to force myself and others to view autism as a way of being, a personality and so on while demanding money away from other peoples choices for the sake of their accusations.

They ought to raise money the good honest ways with originality and will often loose money by seeking to evade other peoples rights.

You're talking about some sort of right way to raise money or something in the rest of the post so whatever to that. Also their claims: What are they? Where can I find them? Why do you provide no evidence for what must be over the hundredth time in a week? Also how can they not take it personally? They're 'autistic' too!

Edit: Ugh, my foolishness. I meant your claims, not their claims. I think I started writing the claims and my right hand sort of ran with it.

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Mr. G you say things all the time without proof and I am not going to play this silly game with you. Research the organization yourself then as you do try and act as if the obvious is not there. Not my interest in wasting time arguing in what I consider a mental black hole of a waste of time. You have got to want to know the truth and not seek to evade certain possible truths becuase it does not sit well with your image of autism and yourself first. Yet time has run out talking to me and I am bored of this.

I don't need to have my intelligence insulted: I don't need proof to ask you where you have proof.

If you want to prove something about an organisation that is wrong thenDo it yourself!. otherwise you can keep twiddling on about evidence, for which evidence no matter how much I look at you never source.

Could you stop saying that and then keep saying the same statements over and over? I respond and poke holes in anything that doesn't make sense in this part of the forum, especially when it's directed to me. Your calling this boring and then your willingness to post again highlights a major discrepancy between what you say and what you do.

This is the most patronising thing I have heard. If I am trying to evade the truth then why do I keep asking you for sources? Also I think your presumption about my intentions is just plain garrulous.

As I said Mr. G guilty as charged then back to thehypersensitiveness. Anti-cure pride doesn't like being held to the same standard and wen the same kind of stuff is done to them it's unreasonable where applicable. If you held yourself to the same standards I'd respect you enough to bother replying to all the comments but since it's the same circular arguments expecting from me what you yourself don't do and accusing me of what you do it's gotten really old. It's boring.

It's a proposed revision in the DSMV, not in effect yet for a couple more years.

People with Aspergers and high functioning autism (with Autism Disorder) are often referred to as individuals with a form of high functioning autism. However, for those that are considered high functioning within the specific autism disorder, at present, the criteria is different for those people than it is for the criteria of people that have Aspergers to get diagnosed.

Developmental delays are not part of Aspergers, where as presently they are in Autism Disorder, so those individuals with Autism Disorder, that were considered HFA, because they had normal intelligence, that were part of your group may have issues with developmental delays that people diagnosed with Aspergers do not have.

I was part of an Aspergers group that both HFA individuals and Aspergers individuals attended, and the individuals with HFA, clearly had a harder time verbally communicating than those with Aspergers.

They are combining the diagnoses because of the similiarities that exist; however the differences that exist, are inherent, and will not change because of new diagnosis criteria. The new criteria changes the language in the criteria from delays to impairments, for example communication impairment vs. communication delay, to allow those currently diagnosed with Aspergers and Autism disorder to fit seamlessly in the new criteria.

So what we end up with is individuals potentially classified with communication impairments, some which include a delay, some which don't. The bottom line is it is still a spectrum with a variation of impairments between individuals that include behavioral differences that can be identified between individuals.

As an example Temple Grandhin is considered to have high functioning autism disorder. Most people that have Aspergers, seeing the portrayal of her life, would recognize her HFA as significantly different than Aspergers.

Ci, here, is diagnosed with HFA, at age 30 still undergoes ABA treaments from two behavioral specialists, and cannot drive because of sensory issues. He had a developmental disability with communication including problems with grammar. He is on record here of who he actually is in real life, and the fact that he is disabled by Autism can easily be verified, because he has been interviewed by public sources in his home town, about the business for people with disabilities that he started with a grant from the government for disabled individuals.

In the past he was criticized, sometimes ostracized for his grammar time and time again, even after he publically states that it was part of his disability with autism related to communication. The individuals that criticized his grammar, suggested he should change his communication style, even though he clearly stated it was something he couldn't change.

Those are two very obvious examples that some people diagnosed with HFA within the Autism Disorder and those diagnosed with Aspergers that are considered to have a from of high functioning autism, may both be referred to in general as individuals with HFA, however their disorders can be significantly different in clear measurable ways.

It's been his special interest to get the word out that some people with HFA and those that aren't considered HFA with the autism disorder diagnosis have different support needs than some diagnosed with Aspergers. Not everyone diagnosed with HFA within the Autism Disorder has the same issues, normal IQ is the only consistently defined aspect of HFA in Autism Disorder that sets these individuals apart from the rest of the individuals diagnosed with Autism Disorder.

The experience of requiring ABA specialists for a person in their 30's, is much different from most that have Aspergers. It's a different point of view, way of life, and associated with different behaviors, that many have had a hard time understanding. Developmental delays vs. no developmental delays is a significant difference between Aspergers and and Autisim Disorder, although the core issues with Communication, Social Interaction, and Repetitive Stereotyped behaviors and interests are common to both disorders.

Perhaps it would be interesting to do a poll here to find out who has been diagnosed with Autism Disorder, considered to be HFA, that thinks that HFA Autism Disorder is almost the same as Aspergers, which is considered a high functioning form of Autism.

I can communicate fairly well with a keyboard, but with a language delay in childhood, I still at age 51, have problems verbally communicating. Before I was diagnosed in middle age, I always remember watching people in amazement of their verbal abilities, thinking that one day mine would be okay, because I made good grades in school, and thought, didn't that mean that I should be able to talk like the smart people do.

I waited, and waited, and waited; it got better with alot of practice, but it was my brain that was the problem, not my desire to communicate well. It's a little like hoping you will be human one day, because everyone else seems like they can do it. I didnt know I had a hardwired problem, so I didn't lose hope that I would be human one day.

That's a potential difference I see between HFA Autism Disorder and Aspergers, considered to be a form of high functioning autism.

My sister has Aspergers, and I was generally happier, and less anxious more of my life than she was, so none of this means that a person that has a developmental delay is going to have more personal issues adapting to their disorder than an individual with Aspergers.

And honestly from what I can see and know of Ci, he may be happier as an individual than many people here, including me. That part may be separate altogether from any diagnosis.

First thing: Could I ask for confirmation on that point?
Paragraph 1) That doesn't mean we should be excluded. They're the closest thing we have to relatives, bretheren, friends sticking it out in the cold like us, even if that means taking it rough with some diagnosis stuff.
Para 2) I can only presume that you presume that they were certainly neurological and not psychological possibly in some cases.
Para 3) I am sorry but they do happen to have 'developmental difficulties'! (although that being said they overcome that which I value and don't what I don't care about). Being a person who knows people with 'asperger's' quite a few of them began to speak at least a year after most children. And even I, in the throes of being 'diagnosed' (though I do wonder why), only began speaking when I was three. Despite that I doubt many people know the meaning of the word vitreous or my personal favourite chemoautotrophs! Though afterwards they seem to race forward. Even ci, for all assertion about need for a cure, and despite his hard often to read sentences, at confidently uses words that most people wouldn't dream of using: And whilst he many times may spell them wrong (generally he uses phonetic spelling in these cases) it is clear that when he uses those words he knows their meaning.
Para 4) Same as para 2

Para 5) Happiness doesn't mean anything about righteousness or correctness. I bet slave owners were a lot happier than slaves from babylonia to America. Although if anyone presumes any such conclusion about ci's personality from that metaphor I'll blast you.

I hope that Auti$m $peak$ doesn't come up with a screening test. I believe in the sanctity of all human life from conception until natural death. That goes for autistic people as well. After all, being normal is overrated.