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17 Jan 2016, 12:40 pm

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Is there some way to report this, since she won't respond to any comments from anyone with autism and can't be addressed about her ignorance directly? This is blatant hate speech and blithering idiocy. She is so misinformed, I feel embarrassed for her. Her parents and educators did a terrible job.


If you look back through the thread, you'll see that someone already has tried to report this. It hasn't been too successful though, except that it caused the author to turn off the comments on the blogpost and edit it to complain about it and say how much she's "disturbed" that there's a "gag order" on everyone who tries to tell the "truth".



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17 Jan 2016, 12:47 pm

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The author cites an article which itself cites an article from a known hoax site.

As a hatemonger she deserves nothing but contempt. But it's clear from her shoddy research that she's not playing with a full deck, and so I also pity the poor fool.


Yup. Not only that, but the claim of 92% of murderers having Asperger syndrome is a hoax:

https://www.elsevier.com/connect/hoax-b ... -to-murder

The blogger's got some serious retracting to do if she's honest; if she's not honest, then she'll just keep spreading the myth to justify her bigotry and hatred.

It appears she quietly removed the link to discussion of the hoax study. That's dishonest, too.


Yes, I noticed. Now I'm regretting that I didn't take a screenshot. I guess she realised that it wasn't doing her any favours to have a link in her blogpost to a hoax study that allows us to sit and laugh at her about and to point to in every time someone asks about how factual her blog post is. It just confirms my previous statements about her dishonesty though.



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17 Jan 2016, 4:13 pm

Jono wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
Is there some way to report this, since she won't respond to any comments from anyone with autism and can't be addressed about her ignorance directly? This is blatant hate speech and blithering idiocy. She is so misinformed, I feel embarrassed for her. Her parents and educators did a terrible job.


If you look back through the thread, you'll see that someone already has tried to report this. It hasn't been too successful though, except that it caused the author to turn off the comments on the blogpost and edit it to complain about it and say how much she's "disturbed" that there's a "gag order" on everyone who tries to tell the "truth".


Well, I don't know if it would make any difference--but I hope she is still watching this thread and is sufficiently embarrassed about her misrepresentation of people with autism. She is likely not capable of such self-reflection though, which probably touches on the irony Hopper was speaking of in what she says about autistic people. I wonder why she is so angry and afraid of us? Being that paranoid, angry, and ignorant at the same time has to be exhausting. I feel very sorry for her.



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18 Jan 2016, 11:38 am

I found the statement that Aspies and Psychopaths are the same highly disturbing. It seems as if the person who made that statement does not know very much about either. For starters, psychopaths would not start a discussion forum to help each other. There is a big difference between having trouble empathizing with the world around you because most of the people in it are not like you and possessing no empathy whatsoever. Another big difference is that psychopaths are masters at reading people and manipulating them for their own ends. I on the other hand crash through social situations, often times in an attempt to help people or improve a situation. The irony is that when I do this it is usually the narcissist/psychopath who targets me for openly contradicting their psychopathic fiction and obstructing their self-centered goals. Not only are Aspies the polar opposite of psychopaths in many respects, psychopaths are usually the social predators who decide to hunt us down. They like to do this because because by picking on the weak it shows their prowess and strength to the group (who unfortunately are usually impressed). Another reason they do this is because of our inability to feed their enormous egos. I have been beaten and bullied many time in my life due to autism. A great many of those bullies were probably narcissists or psychopaths. If you have an ASD I highly recommend that you study and learn to identify psychopathy. It is very important to your survival! Some good books are "Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths go to Work" and "Without Conscious".



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22 Jan 2016, 3:48 am

That's pretty damn mean.

More proof that the Internet can make you stupid if you let it.



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22 Jan 2016, 4:50 am

It made me think of this blog piece by StrangerinGodzone:

http://strangeringodzone.blogspot.co.nz ... te-us.html



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22 Jan 2016, 11:55 am

You know who wrote that? NOT a psychology major. There isn't an autism epidemic. There's an ignorance epidemic.



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23 Jan 2016, 3:54 pm

This is why I hate the Internet they are ignorant buffoons!


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24 Jan 2016, 1:44 pm

Sociopaths dissemble and build narratives.

I break things down and build systems.

Quirkiness, parallel construction. Tomaytoe, tomahtoe.

There's an abstract way of looking at this.



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26 Jan 2016, 11:28 am

Don't let such people bother you too much.

Even if you were to make this one person see the light, the next one in line is already ready to take her place and the row is extremely long.

You can't teach someone who doesn't even want to learn.



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26 Jan 2016, 11:47 am

I do agree with the mind blindness part, all of which applies to me and in turn makes it near impossible to apply for jobs



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26 Jan 2016, 9:27 pm

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ETA: Once more, it's the bizarre situation which is basically: 'Autistic people have no empathy. Let's be cruel to them!'. I consider I do have empathy. And then I look at the NT world, which apparently abounds in empathy, and I see the cruelties and the games and the connivances and the prejudice and the lying and the falsity and the bullying and all that 'normal' s**t, and I think, yeah, about that 'empathy' you were banging on about...

It's almost as if it's some kind of mass projection of negative NT traits.



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09 Feb 2016, 1:19 am

This appears to me to be a very garden variety low-functioning borderline/narcissist with persecutory fanatasies and access to the internet. I call it fantasies as opposed to delusions because they really do enjoy this joan-of-arc esque roleplay.


High functioning aspies are very often attractive as partners for low-functioning, romantically frustrated narcissists or borderlines with narcissistic traits who are themselves not socially succesful and appear harmless or even pathetic to others but will be domineering and brutal towards victims who are weaker than them. This works with pathologically dependent people because they get something they want out the relationship, but no one else. Ironically they are also prime targets for exploitation by more intelligent, high-functioning narcissists/sociopaths because their emotional structure is so primitive and easy to manipulate.

At the end of the day, armchair pyscology through the internet based on one person is pointless, which is why this woman's blog post is pointless, and my armchair diagnosis is probably wrong. But I pretty much think it isn't, I have so much life experience with narcissists, and this is kind of hallmark narcisisstic "woe-is-me" thinking.



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09 Feb 2016, 2:02 am

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This appears to me to be a very garden variety low-functioning borderline/narcissist with persecutory fanatasies and access to the internet. I call it fantasies as opposed to delusions because they really do enjoy this joan-of-arc esque roleplay.


High functioning aspies are very often attractive as partners for low-functioning, romantically frustrated narcissists or borderlines with narcissistic traits who are themselves not socially succesful and appear harmless or even pathetic to others but will be domineering and brutal towards victims who are weaker than them. This works with pathologically dependent people because they get something they want out the relationship, but no one else. Ironically they are also prime targets for exploitation by more intelligent, high-functioning narcissists/sociopaths because their emotional structure is so primitive and easy to manipulate.

At the end of the day, armchair pyscology through the internet based on one person is pointless, which is why this woman's blog post is pointless, and my armchair diagnosis is probably wrong. But I pretty much think it isn't, I have so much life experience with narcissists, and this is kind of hallmark narcisisstic "woe-is-me" thinking.


I think your analysis of the situation is pretty spot on. It certainly gels with my own experience with narcissists and borderline (what they used to call "histrionic") types and the dynamics they tend to favour.



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09 Feb 2016, 2:06 pm

What really strikes me about the article is how ABSOLUTE everything is. There's zero nuance. It's not enough for her to say stay away from aspies because they are generally or more likely to have such and such issues, it's "no one can be happy with these people. NO ONE. WHATSOEVER".

If she were a bit more nuanced, I think the article might bother me more - I've read plenty of stuff out there that tries to display sympathy and compassion for ASD folks but the ultimate conclusion is condescending and negative, which could convince more people; there's enough awareness of ASD these days that plenty of people, I should think, would read her article and be like, geez, aspies I know or are in a relationship aren't like that.

There's a part of me that pities her. She's just SO extremely wrong that I can't take her seriously - there's so much out there that flat out contradicts her, including my own experiences with relationships.

If someone had a bad experience with black people, and brought up the fact that black people are more likely to commit crime, and then concluded that black people are intrinsically criminals and should be avoided, I'd be pretty bothered by the persons logic and attitude, but I'd also realize that if they've been confronted about it, thought about it, did research on it, looked at the facts, and STILL believe this, they are not worth debating - they've already made up their minds. "Cast not your pearls before swine".

Not that race is a direct correlation, since we are talking about certain behavioral differences here - the analogy I'm making is is someone being utterly wrong, and generalizing based on individual cases, bad reasoning, and did I mention, being utterly wrong?

This girl's the one with issues. Yeah, she's dealt with other people with serious issues, but most people who have one bad experience don't go on to make such extreme claims.



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09 Feb 2016, 3:23 pm

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What really strikes me about the article is how ABSOLUTE everything is. There's zero nuance. It's not enough for her to say stay away from aspies because they are generally or more likely to have such and such issues, it's "no one can be happy with these people. NO ONE. WHATSOEVER".

If she were a bit more nuanced, I think the article might bother me more - I've read plenty of stuff out there that tries to display sympathy and compassion for ASD folks but the ultimate conclusion is condescending and negative, which could convince more people; there's enough awareness of ASD these days that plenty of people, I should think, would read her article and be like, geez, aspies I know or are in a relationship aren't like that.

There's a part of me that pities her. She's just SO extremely wrong that I can't take her seriously - there's so much out there that flat out contradicts her, including my own experiences with relationships.

If someone had a bad experience with black people, and brought up the fact that black people are more likely to commit crime, and then concluded that black people are intrinsically criminals and should be avoided, I'd be pretty bothered by the persons logic and attitude, but I'd also realize that if they've been confronted about it, thought about it, did research on it, looked at the facts, and STILL believe this, they are not worth debating - they've already made up their minds. "Cast not your pearls before swine".

Not that race is a direct correlation, since we are talking about certain behavioral differences here - the analogy I'm making is is someone being utterly wrong, and generalizing based on individual cases, bad reasoning, and did I mention, being utterly wrong?

This girl's the one with issues. Yeah, she's dealt with other people with serious issues, but most people who have one bad experience don't go on to make such extreme claims.


It's funny you should use that as an example, because there's a user around here lately that's been trying to convince people how right he is that black people are naturally more aggressive and violent than other races, and it's a proven fact because he says so (big surprise: he's a very young white man, himself). I think he's a perfect example of someone who just insists on being wrong no matter what evidence contrary to their theory is set before them.