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11 Mar 2008, 4:33 pm

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For the record, mercury poisoning causes "autism-like symptoms"; BUT it isn't autism.


Actually, not really. Mercury poisoning is quite distinct from autism, and I have a hard time believing that any competent doctor could possibly confuse the two. There are lots of physical symptoms to MP, including things like edema or even kidney dysfunction. That's not autism. Even the neurological symptoms don't really match up. Someone who is mercury poisoned may have trouble with basic movements. Autistics can certainly be dyspraxic and clumsy, but it's not the same thing at all. Someone who was truly mercury poisoned would not be able to engage in repetitive motor movements common to autistic people.


I never suggested for a second that doctor's confused the two. But lots of media personalities like to.



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11 Mar 2008, 4:49 pm

No, it's either autism or it isn't. You can't have 'autism-like' when autism itself is both a syndrome and a spectrum.

Autism isn't mercury poisoning, and it isn't being drunk, or any other things along those lines.

It's their way of glossing over the fact that the girl WAS given autism by the jabs, and about as close as they'll come to saying so - through clever use of language most people with little to no understanding or experience of the syndrome won't realise that it is simple linguistic manipulation and that there is no 'autism-like symptoms'. Hell, I have 'autism like symptoms', so does everyone else anywhere on the spectrum, even those most low-functioning and diagnosed young.

It really irks me how they do this to deceive the public...


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11 Mar 2008, 5:04 pm

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No, it's either autism or it isn't. You can't have 'autism-like' when autism itself is both a syndrome and a spectrum.

Autism isn't mercury poisoning, and it isn't being drunk, or any other things along those lines.

It's their way of glossing over the fact that the girl WAS given autism by the jabs, and about as close as they'll come to saying so - through clever use of language most people with little to no understanding or experience of the syndrome won't realise that it is simple linguistic manipulation and that there is no 'autism-like symptoms'. Hell, I have 'autism like symptoms', so does everyone else anywhere on the spectrum, even those most low-functioning and diagnosed young.

It really irks me how they do this to deceive the public...

Thing is, the girl doesn't have an ASD diagnosis. Not even PDD-NOS.


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11 Mar 2008, 5:11 pm

I imagine they'll be getting her one soon though..!

I still think this is a huge victory for those of us who were induced into autism by vaccines. Not all of us were, but there are those on the spectrum who I firmly believe were for whatever predisposing reason, and they need to be recognised as such. There's so much toxic rubbish in those things, it's hardly a radical or inconceivable idea - this is a huge step for people who were damaged without consent.

Still no way in hell my children will be vaccinated. I'd rather home-school them than put that crap in their systems, pre-disposed to anything or not.


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11 Mar 2008, 5:22 pm

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I'd just like to ask, does anyone know what the difference is between 'autism like symptoms', and 'autism', when they don't actually know what causes autism, what it looks like, and given that autism is a syndrome itself - a group of symptoms manifesting in a number of people and of unknown origin/s.

Doesn't actually make any sense...

Just something that's been troubling me greatly following this case.


Zendell is wrong (as usual!). There IS a difference.

Autism and the rest of the Spectrum is a combination of a certain number of traits.

Autism like symptoms represents some of those traits, but not enough for a diagnosis on the Spectrum. Therefore that person is - under the DSM-IV - NT. This includes Hannah Poling as I understand it.

Just for the record, the DSM-IV-TR was in 1999, not 1994. The original DSM-IV was in 1994.



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11 Mar 2008, 5:40 pm

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so if they stopped using those vaccines containing the mercury preservatives back in 2001.... why is autism STILL on the increase?


Yeah, and they stopped using the most infamous preservative, thimerosol, way back in the nineties. That's called "a gaping hole in your theory, bunky."


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11 Mar 2008, 5:49 pm

LeKiwi, the girl in the news story has a mitochondrial disease. Whether she got vaccines or not, she would have many of the same problems she does now. They're just saying the vaccines made her disease worse. They are not going to diagnose her with autism any time soon, she has a separate disease that is not autism, it just has similar symptoms.



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11 Mar 2008, 5:51 pm

Actually, that's not true. They do still contain thimerosal.

Here's the CDC's list of vaccine additives...

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbo ... able-2.pdf

Note the thimerosal, aluminium, formeldehyde, monkey kidney tissue, bovine tissue, glutamate, egg proteins, embryo tissues....


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11 Mar 2008, 6:51 pm

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Actually, that's not true. They do still contain thimerosal.

Here's the CDC's list of vaccine additives...

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbo ... able-2.pdf

Note the thimerosal, aluminium, formeldehyde, monkey kidney tissue, bovine tissue, glutamate, egg proteins, embryo tissues....

Formaldahyde is naturally present in every living organism. Without it, you die.

A little more won't harm you.


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11 Mar 2008, 7:01 pm

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Just for the record, the DSM-IV-TR was in 1999, not 1994. The original DSM-IV was in 1994.

Thank you - I appreciate the correction.


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11 Mar 2008, 7:14 pm

Formeldehyde is embalming fluid... it's carconigenic and neurotoxic. You do NOT need it and yes, a little more can actually do great harm.

The point of that was to show that actually, vaccines DO still contain thimerosal, as well as all manner of awful adjuvants and additives.


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11 Mar 2008, 8:51 pm

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Formeldehyde is embalming fluid... it's carconigenic and neurotoxic. You do NOT need it and yes, a little more can actually do great harm.

Formaldahyde is not embalming fluid.

And if it's so toxic, then why does it occur naturally in every single living organism? You DO need it.


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11 Mar 2008, 8:59 pm

Someone needs to do a bit of reading...


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11 Mar 2008, 9:19 pm

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Someone needs to do a bit of reading...


Yes, someone does.

I didn't believe it at first either, but my dad (who is currently taking biology) was able to confirm it for me.


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11 Mar 2008, 11:52 pm

The toxicity of any substance is a matter of degree, not just what it is. Without sodium, you would die. Too much sodium, and you will die. Even water can be poisonous, in sufficiently large amounts - you may recall a year or so ago, when a radio station was holding a contest ("Hold Your Wii!"), in which the person who could go the longest without urinating after drinking several gallons of water would win a Nintendo Wii. The lady who won collapsed shortly thereafter and died, killed by the toxic levels of water in her stomach.

The danger level for formaldehyde exposure would appear, from a cursory scan of the available data, to be on the order of 0.1 ppm. Would you happen to have a figure on the formaldehyde levels of various vaccines? (I presume the level would vary from formulation to formulation.)

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Ah, I found a source for information on the question of formaldehyde and vaccines:

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The average quantity of formaldehyde to which a young infant could be exposed at one time may be as high as 0.2 mg (see table below). This quantity of formaldehyde is considered to be safe for two reasons. First, formaldehyde is essential in human metabolism and is required for the synthesis of DNA and amino acids (the building blocks of protein). Therefore, all humans have detectable quantities of natural formaldehyde in their circulation (about 2.5 ug of formaldehyde per ml of blood). Assuming an average weight of a 2-month-old of 5 kg and an average blood volume of 85 ml per kg, the total quantity of formaldehyde found in an infant’s circulation would be about 1.1 mg — a value at least five-fold greater than that to which an infant would be exposed in vaccines. Second, quantities of formaldehyde at least 600–fold greater than that contained in vaccines have been given safely to animals.


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12 Mar 2008, 12:36 am

The CDC website has a table on it somewhere of the amounts of all additives to its vaccines... if you go to the link I posted about showing the various additives, there'll be a related page somewhere that'll have the quantities. It varies from vaccine to vaccine obviously but the data is there.

Either way, I think you're absolutely insane if you would willingly inject that kind of poison into your child over and over again, knowing what it contained and what those things could do. No, not insane - criminally insane.


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