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02 Apr 2008, 11:20 pm

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That chemical sweetener aspartame (yeah, the noxious carcinogen)... that was never developed as a sweetener, it was developed as an animal poison. People eat it.

Uh. Nobody's gotten cancer from it.


idk about cancer but it put some holes in the brains of rats they tested it on



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03 Apr 2008, 12:28 am

zendell wrote:
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That chemical sweetener aspartame (yeah, the noxious carcinogen)... that was never developed as a sweetener, it was developed as an animal poison. People eat it.

Uh. Nobody's gotten cancer from it.


idk about cancer but it put some holes in the brains of rats they tested it on

Yeah, but rats aren't human beings.

What's toxic to one organism may or may not be toxic to another.


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03 Apr 2008, 1:42 am

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zendell wrote:
beau99 wrote:
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That chemical sweetener aspartame (yeah, the noxious carcinogen)... that was never developed as a sweetener, it was developed as an animal poison. People eat it.

Uh. Nobody's gotten cancer from it.


idk about cancer but it put some holes in the brains of rats they tested it on

Yeah, but rats aren't human beings.

What's toxic to one organism may or may not be toxic to another.



So the fact that its components are phenylalanine, methanol and aspartic acid, and it breaks down into formeldehyde and formic acid, alongside other components... it also has over 92 registered symptoms of its poisoning listed with the FDA. It's carcinogenic, noxious, and dangerous, and to deny it would be to deny basic chemistry.


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03 Apr 2008, 6:54 am

I think that the parents who use that treatment on their autistic children might be deliberately trying to kill them. I don't think that they want them to live, anymore.


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03 Apr 2008, 10:01 am

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I think that the parents who use that treatment on their autistic children might be deliberately trying to kill them. I don't think that they want them to live, anymore.


Now there is an interesting insight, Sid. How does one simply turn a blind eye to the fact that chelations have indeed killed children and then put them onto their children... it doesn't make sense to me.

Course, I know only what I've learned the last couple of days about it, but it's creepy.


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03 Apr 2008, 12:37 pm

I think there could well be some merit to the chelation thing for some people, but you would have to be extremely careful about who you chose to carry out the treatment, and that you weren't going to end up depleting the child of too many other metals the body DOES need... constant tests etc (which could be traumatic too). I dunno - I'm sure it's well-intentioned but I certainly wouldn't think it would be for everyone.


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03 Apr 2008, 2:00 pm

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I think there could well be some merit to the chelation thing for some people, but you would have to be extremely careful about who you chose to carry out the treatment, and that you weren't going to end up depleting the child of too many other metals the body DOES need... constant tests etc (which could be traumatic too). I dunno - I'm sure it's well-intentioned but I certainly wouldn't think it would be for everyone.


Oh now, you're not serious... vaccination is not ok, but chelation is???


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03 Apr 2008, 2:14 pm

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I think there could well be some merit to the chelation thing for some people, but you would have to be extremely careful about who you chose to carry out the treatment, and that you weren't going to end up depleting the child of too many other metals the body DOES need... constant tests etc (which could be traumatic too). I dunno - I'm sure it's well-intentioned but I certainly wouldn't think it would be for everyone.


Oh now, you're not serious... vaccination is not ok, but chelation is???


I don't know enough about the drugs/substances involved to comment to be honest; I was more commenting that from what I understand of it (one of several substances is given to the child, that forces the body to excrete metals lodged in the body, but it does carry risks, and that it's usually used in cases of lead or mercury poisoning - please please please correct me I'm wrong!) it could be feasible for a few children where heavy metal poisoning could be implicated as a possibility alongside.


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03 Apr 2008, 2:46 pm

LeKiwi wrote:
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I think there could well be some merit to the chelation thing for some people, but you would have to be extremely careful about who you chose to carry out the treatment, and that you weren't going to end up depleting the child of too many other metals the body DOES need... constant tests etc (which could be traumatic too). I dunno - I'm sure it's well-intentioned but I certainly wouldn't think it would be for everyone.


Oh now, you're not serious... vaccination is not ok, but chelation is???


I don't know enough about the drugs/substances involved to comment to be honest; I was more commenting that from what I understand of it (one of several substances is given to the child, that forces the body to excrete metals lodged in the body, but it does carry risks, and that it's usually used in cases of lead or mercury poisoning - please please please correct me I'm wrong!) it could be feasible for a few children where heavy metal poisoning could be implicated as a possibility alongside.


The problem is not in using chelation therapy to treat children who are suffering from heavy metal poisoning, the problem is in using it willy nilly on autistic children. It has a bad habit of killing them!

I gotta kick out of this study. It counters the use of chelation on children as dangerous and RECOMMENDS vaccinating children, especially autistic ones. :)

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/c ... 118/1/e139

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There are several important implications of this study. First, our study adds additional evidence deriving from a large, population-based survey that PDDs are one of the most common developmental disorders in young children. With a prevalence of 0.6% to 0.7%, the service implications are straightforward. Second, as in other recent studies, factors such as broadening of diagnostic criteria, improved awareness about the disorder, changes in official social and educational policies, and improved access to services are certainly the primary driving force underlying the increasing prevalence figures.7 Yet, the possibility that a real change in the incidence could have occurred as well cannot be definitely ruled out from existing data. Third, our findings clearly failed to detect any relationship between thimerosal exposure and rates of PDDs. These findings concur with those from other similar ecological investigations34, 35 and of more controlled epidemiological studies.25, 38 Previous negative studies, especially those conducted in European countries, have sometimes been criticized on the account that either the rates of PDDs were not as high as those in North America, that the cumulative exposure to thimerosal was much lower than that attained in the United States in the 1990s, or both. This study avoids both pitfalls and is, therefore, very informative for the North American public. In addition, the rate of exposure varied from nil to very high levels of vaccine-derived ethylmercury, allowing us to test for effects along the full range of exposure and to detect possible threshold effects as well. All of the results were negative. Fourth, as in previous studies,25 no effect of MMR vaccine could be detected on the risk of PDD. The trends went in opposite directions, making it unlikely that even small effects applying to a small subset of children would exist. Furthermore, this study added new evidence suggesting that the 2-MMR dose schedule before age 2 years also had no impact on rates of PDD. Fifth, parents of children with PDD and the general public should be made aware of the consistency of negative studies on the 2 hypotheses linking risk of autism and immunizations. Children with autism and their younger unaffected siblings should be vaccinated. Unvaccinated children are at much higher risk of contracting measles and suffering from its sometimes severe or lethal complications.71 There is no evidence for an epidemiological association between ethylmercury and autism and no scientific basis for using chelation therapies, which can be dangerous. Decreasing MMR uptake in the British isles has led to more frequent measles outbreaks of greater magnitude27 and to children's deaths.72 Findings of negative studies are, indeed, more difficult to convey, but, here, the evidence lies in the striking convergence of studies accumulated by different groups, with different designs and in different places.


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03 Apr 2008, 3:49 pm

LeKiwi wrote:
beau99 wrote:
zendell wrote:
beau99 wrote:
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That chemical sweetener aspartame (yeah, the noxious carcinogen)... that was never developed as a sweetener, it was developed as an animal poison. People eat it.

Uh. Nobody's gotten cancer from it.


idk about cancer but it put some holes in the brains of rats they tested it on

Yeah, but rats aren't human beings.

What's toxic to one organism may or may not be toxic to another.



So the fact that its components are phenylalanine, methanol and aspartic acid, and it breaks down into formeldehyde and formic acid, alongside other components

Which are then expelled from the body as waste products.

Not to mention that aspartic acid is found naturally in most meat and some vegetable sources.


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03 Apr 2008, 3:51 pm

Beau, I'm sorry but in this case you're arguing with chemistry. There is no debate to be had - the scientific fact is indisputable.


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03 Apr 2008, 3:59 pm

beau99 wrote:
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beau99 wrote:
zendell wrote:
beau99 wrote:
LeKiwi wrote:
That chemical sweetener aspartame (yeah, the noxious carcinogen)... that was never developed as a sweetener, it was developed as an animal poison. People eat it.

Uh. Nobody's gotten cancer from it.


idk about cancer but it put some holes in the brains of rats they tested it on

Yeah, but rats aren't human beings.

What's toxic to one organism may or may not be toxic to another.



So the fact that its components are phenylalanine, methanol and aspartic acid, and it breaks down into formeldehyde and formic acid, alongside other components

Which are then expelled from the body as waste products.

Not to mention that aspartic acid is found naturally in most meat and some vegetable sources.


Not commenting on whether aspartame is toxic or not, but I just have to add that some people (myself and half my family included) are allergic to aspartame and/or acesulfame K. It's frustrating that it sometimes feels like they're everywhere these days.

Though, I don't think aspartame has much to do with the topic of this thread...


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03 Apr 2008, 4:10 pm

Everyone's allergic because it's a noxious, toxic substance. But that's just chemistry and not worth getting into... a different thread, perhaps.


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03 Apr 2008, 4:14 pm

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Everyone's allergic because it's a noxious, toxic substance. But that's just chemistry and not worth getting into... a different thread, perhaps.


"Allergic" as in "causes immediate physical reaction" is quite different from "may cause something with years of exposure", so I wouldn't say "everyone's allergic".


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03 Apr 2008, 4:17 pm

Satellite wrote:
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Everyone's allergic because it's a noxious, toxic substance. But that's just chemistry and not worth getting into... a different thread, perhaps.


"Allergic" as in "causes immediate physical reaction" is quite different from "may cause something with years of exposure", so I wouldn't say "everyone's allergic".


True, and I doubt most people have an immediate immune response as is required in true allergies. But considering how toxic it is and that a single exposure is enough to cause problems or start them off in every person - noticeable or not - it's something to be avoided. I take it you're phenylketonuric??

Anyway, another thread. ;)


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03 Apr 2008, 4:20 pm

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Beau, I'm sorry but in this case you're arguing with chemistry. There is no debate to be had - the scientific fact is indisputable.

How am I?


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