The Autistic Genocide Clock. This is sickening people.

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(i'll have to look into her story.)

ps: a quick apology to Alraune. i know many of us can be very blunt. (i'm one.) i do appreciate the honesty. in part, i'm arguing with a "phantom" expert. i realize you don't have the power to make those decisions.

I'm blunt as well, I give and take worse abuse than that every day, I am just trying to explain how I don't see autism or ds or anyhting as a group worth keeping around, we aren't a race of people, we are a genetic anomaly that I would not shed a tear if the world was without, again i'm not advocating murder, but if future advances give us the options to avoid people like us being born, I don't see anything wrong with that

And what of situations, of which there are many, where a person who is AS or otherwise on the spectrum "flourishes" in ways that most normal people never will? I'm not talking about the stereotypical idiot savant or whatever. I'm talking about people who might not look, behave, move or think like everyone else, but still excels at something, be it an academic subject, an art form or a trade, and through it, or just through their personalities, brings themselves and the people around them happiness? Saying that the "bad" cases of DS and ASD individuals (which is debatable in and of itself given the questionable ways of treating people with said conditions) should condemn the good ones, and everyone in between, to nonexistence in the future is about as valid as saying that because some NTs become serial killers, drug addicts and child molesters, they shouldn't exist either. It's not fair, and it doesn't make sense.

I have 12 eggs, I crack 2 open a day its always varyed but if up to 5 of the eggs in the carton are bad, thats a pretty bad percentage, now subtract eggs and add people, do experiment again, if results are the same, maybe that type of egg/person isn't one i'd buy/birth willingly.

Here's a few suggestions. First, get over your pathetic self-loathing. Seriously. How much are you not doing or feeling of your own will then blaming on an abstract 'it' is responsible? Second, stop attempting to project it on anyone else you see with the same thing you feel is a label of failure. Third, it is genocide to do that. If it were done on anyone who tested positive for being 'black' or 'jewish' or 'white' or 'chinese' or 'hispanic' then it would be a label of genocide based off of genetic marker traits which are inherited. That's right, I went there. It's genocide. Deal with it.

Now that I've stated all of that, I have read your posts. You have some serious disillusionment problems and should think real hard about why you feel that way exactly and come up with some ideas of how you can better that. Maybe you should put away that fake rolodex of emotions you mentioned and start living your life the way that feels right to you instead of trying to blame it all on something else, and try to impose that same self-loathing on anyone else who doesn't feel it. Sure, you won't make as many friends or have as many lovers but the ones you do get will be far truer to you than any you pick up based off of a lie.

Those reasons you've been giving are as old as humanity itself and generally excuses to stay in denial about self-responsibility. I'm sure you've had a good deal of horrific experiences. Most of us that're aspies have had them. The question is if you're going to keep blaming yourself and encouraging others to blame themselves or if you're going to do something positive for yourself about it.

You are Hell Sent Bound and Determined to promote Autism as a Bad thing.

WTF is trolling this site with your "Aspies are Trash" talk supposed to accomplish?

The ONLY thing positive from it, is affirming the fact that Hateful people like you really do exist.

The both of you... stop. NOW.

Alraune, you may percieve your autism/AS as a bad thing because it is low-functiong or something and is considerably dehabilitating, however many of us on WP, including myself, see it as a mixed outcome. If you want to believe the glass is half-empty for autistic people, you go right ahead and do that, but stop forcing your defeatist opinions on other people. I think having Asperger's has made me a better person in regard to mind and soul, even if my social skills are screwy; therefore, hearing you say that autistics aren't worth anything puts down my own self-worth, and that pisses me off. You can go sulk in a corner if need be, but stop telling people on this board they don't deserve to live, that's just wrong.

And YOU, DaWalker, are not helping the situation by going off and calling him a troll and a hateful person, regarless of whether or not those accusations are true. You can debate and argue all you want, but you can't flame people on their beliefs. If you really think he's doing it to intentionally troll, then contact a mod and they will deal with it. Fighting fire with fire only serves to burn the whole town.

Now the both of you behave now. Alraune, stop being stereotypical and judgemental, DaWalker, stop flaming and insulting people you can't out-debate. Thank you.

Fine Then

Sure, aborting the child on the basis of a prenatal test is easier than reforming society to erase discrimination, but can't we compromise? I'll run an off planet colony you Terrans can all offload you 'disabled' people on to. Or if I'm not allowed offplanet, give me Antartica.

I lead a very successful life. I work at a really good job, part time. I volunteer once a week, and I also have a lot of completed crafts that I'm going to make money off of. I've graduated from high school on the A Honour Roll. I've also held down a job that I've hated for 3 years. I live on my own without any home support, and I manage my own money. I do my own cooking and cleaning, and I can get myself around town, without assistance. I also have three really close friends, and we go out to different places, four evenings a week. I also know not to discriminate against other people, because I know how it feels. I'm also a really good talker, with a nice accent. I'm happy to be alive.

Do you understand that your situation is NOT typical for a person with autism?

As a matter of fact, I do. I thought it would be a good idea to show some people the other side of the coin.

I've got nothing else to add to this thread. You all know where I stand.

By Alraunes logic, we should abort fetus' on the basis of projected life quality. So if the child will be born with a particular trait that is disadvantageus in society... abort it. Eventually you'll end up with a static society.

*sigh* For all my great ideas, I'm not going to be able to implement them in time. A bit like the girl in The Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy, who came up with a way that everyone can finally live in peace, shortly before the Earth was destroyed.

I see nothing wrong with a static society as you put it, everyone equal, people can be diff while not having problems, personalities alone will stop the world from ever being a world of clones.

Until one personality becomes more dominant, and certain personalities put people at a disadvantage. If genes which predispose people to having those personality traits is then created...