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17 Jul 2011, 6:06 pm

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Guy's I'm off to bed-

One bone to chew over- according to Stephen Hawkin-"nothing is a very unstable state" - its dynamic appraently, somehow,

Now how on earth can that be?


Well I wouldn't say that any physicist has ever been completely right. Einstein doubted the existence of black holes you know.

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18 Jul 2011, 1:20 am

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It is impossible ultimately that something comes from nothing so the universe did not originate but is in the constant of creation.


It doesn't matter then because as long as it is a unified reason then it makes enough sense to me. You did give one explanation here right?


This is the theory based on common sense reality summed up.

1. Origination complex.

a.) Comparatively so as the mind perceived the Earth more so flat then a sphere it was once known as flat with mountain bumps.

b.) The mind too is stuck in a bubble. This mind originated and then there was sudden sound(s).

c.) The mind confuses all of matter as having similarly originated from the nothing before awareness to that of consciousnesses.

d.) Mind projects universe origins as similar as the mind simply.

2.) Something From Nothing.

a.) A something must come from something else.

b.) Something cannot come from nothing even if that something mind does not comprehend from it's sphere.

I am a wise butt :lol:


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18 Jul 2011, 1:45 am

I think humans are screwd on understanding this one intuitively. For us to think of nothing is no existence , death prebirth, Nothing is not the same as this state.

Anyway I am going to work - if anyone is around later on and wants to go on the pre-language/symbolism journey and ask the question if a lot of theory like that of Wittgenstein/TOM etc. leads us in one big circle back to the moment in our evolutionary history that our minds started chatting to themselves. Then if we have time , and I'm not boring everyone I would like to examine some of the theory about langauge and coevolution.



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18 Jul 2011, 3:29 am

I don't know maybe I will get into social trouble if I explained my theory more.


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18 Jul 2011, 4:11 am

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I don't know maybe I will get into social trouble if I explained my theory more.


Maybe just trouble will suffice.



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18 Jul 2011, 12:23 pm

Hmmm unforseen complication- I might have to go out and socialize tonight. Kids -pub etc.

So- I have written a playful Email which I propose to send to the Cambridge research team inviting them to send a couple of SBC's postgrads here and see if they can argue their case with us. The stick is they have
published in the Financial Times and we have the right to reply. The carrot is we are going to help them reslove some issues we have with their approaches (for flippin' free) and if they respond to our invite to come to WP we will not use our right to reply in the FT and make them look a bit silly in NT terms.


Please let me know what you think . Trouble can be constructive.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt168510.html



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18 Jul 2011, 12:31 pm

If you want them to come here then I have a strategy to increase those chances. And all without a vindictive spirit which I don't claim you have. Just I know a better strategy. If interested a few PM me and we will get started on the brief strategy for those better chances. In any potential debate I will not participate that much if at all. I will for sure observe it.


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17 Aug 2011, 10:10 pm

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There is always a deductive and final reason and model. When people did not know how the universe was created they said god was responsible. Now they say because we cannot find a theory that fits all we know we can only have models that partially fit reality. The fact is that the real answer is just hard to find, not impossible and possibly unpopular, but it will be true always.


It is impossible ultimately that something comes from nothing so the universe did not originate but is in the constant of creation.


You are wrong. I wish you knew more science.


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17 Aug 2011, 10:12 pm

Even the statement something coming from thin air does not denote it came from nothing. Please prove in all of the world as it is now that a something ever comes from a nothing. Can you prove it? whereas credible science continues to denote something before it? It is my theory any theory deriving a universe came from a nothing is speaking simply about minds origination.


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17 Aug 2011, 10:57 pm

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Even the statement something coming from thin air does not denote it came from nothing. Please prove in all of the world as it is now that a something ever comes from a nothing. Can you prove it? whereas credible science continues to denote something before it? It is my theory any theory deriving a universe came from a nothing is speaking simply about minds origination.


You don't have a clue what 'theory' means, you have no basis for having an opinion on this subject, and I invite you to learn enough science so that you can read up on the subject that you are spouting nonsense about.

This will take work and dedication, but it is something that you have to do for yourself.

Many on this forum could take a shot at explaining it to you, but you are not receptive and ready to learn about this. I won't waste my time trying. As I've told you before, while I think it important to call out your errors, I don't have any desire to converse or debate with you.


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17 Aug 2011, 11:18 pm

I'm learning to ignore the objection as a whole that you keep putting across because of the impatience. One could say however the universe never began in the absolute period and I'd be happy. Just if proposed a universe began from strictly a nothing then was I'd think people that believe like so are quite stuck in the idea like folks thought the earth was flat. It appears to be with some bumps but after-all it's 3d and quite like circular.


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17 Aug 2011, 11:27 pm

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I'm learning to ignore the objection as a whole that you keep putting across because of the impatience. One could say however the universe never began in the absolute period and I'd be happy. Just if proposed a universe began from strictly a nothing then was I'd think people that believe like so are quite stuck in the idea like folks thought the earth was flat. It appears to be with some bumps but after-all it's 3d and quite like circular.


Eh?



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17 Aug 2011, 11:33 pm

Mixed expressive language again..

I'm learning to ignore the objection as a whole that you keep putting across because of the impatience. One could say however the universe never began in the absolute period (conclusively) and I'd be happy. Just if proposed a universe began from strictly a nothing then what I'd think of people that believe like so as quite stuck in the idea like folks thought the earth was flat. It appears to be with some bumps but after-all it's 3d and quite like circular.


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19 Aug 2011, 8:11 am

ci wrote:
Mixed expressive language again..

I'm learning to ignore the objection as a whole that you keep putting across because of the impatience. One could say however the universe never began in the absolute period (conclusively) and I'd be happy. Just if proposed a universe began from strictly a nothing then what I'd think of people that believe like so as quite stuck in the idea like folks thought the earth was flat. It appears to be with some bumps but after-all it's 3d and quite like circular.


Quit adding in random topics. it makes you hard to follow. Also what you say isn't expressive: It's impenitrable and a sign of pomposity.



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19 Aug 2011, 12:36 pm

If that's what you choose to believe that's' your choice. I am quite passionate in life and far from what you describe because I do happen to disagree with you on issues so you take it out on my professional project ect. I could only hope the likes of you go on official record it would be helpful.


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19 Aug 2011, 3:07 pm

ci wrote:
If that's what you choose to believe that's' your choice. I am quite passionate in life and far from what you describe because I do happen to disagree with you on issues so you take it out on my professional project ect. I could only hope the likes of you go on official record it would be helpful.

When everyone starts saying it to you then maybe you will not try and explain away everything as an 'opinion'. I don't mind your views. Some people do need treatment obviously. I am not a heartless bastard. THe problem is that you insist on us only talking about your solution all the time. I don't even know where that taking it out on your professional project thing came from! You are so self-centred!