Hiding The Truth For Popular Political Appeal

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My post wasn't about holding ASAN to any standard.

I explained why I hold you and srriv345 to different standards - you two have vastly different agendas and posting histories.

I'm interested in srriv345's recommendations.

Last edited by AlanTuring on 07 Sep 2011, 8:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Dulling some exes to protect others from the mess is the least I can do. The extreme pride views are not as popular as you would suspect otherwise more then just a few after all this time would have defended it. I understand some people are angry in life and I believe some have been left out unfairly. I want to see people more happy and I believe better approaches make that happen with regards to inclusion and a chance at equality. I do not believe an axe to grind in how pride commonly it would seem conducts itself is wise. Again I do not support the methods of ASAN as a whole but can agree with a moderate part of it.

Everyone has an agenda and some are more compatible to your own then others. I simply don't need the type of approach you support as I believe it is bad news. It's a big diversity in the autism community and you will find many simply are not aware of ASAN or it's methods. You will also find people don't want to partake in it because of what they have done as well.

As I have explained many times,

* I am proud to have survived everything that life, including Asperger's, has thrown at me
* I am proud of responding to adversity by trying to understand
* I am proud of the extent to which I have developed the talents I was born with, several of which are bound with Asperger's for me
* I am proud of my as-yet-unrealized potential and for my desire to realize it
* I am proud of my desire to help others and to my successes in doing so
* I am proud of the person I have become
* I am proud to have kept my sense of humor in the process

Nothing in what I just said denigrates anyone else, hurts anyone else, or limits anyone else.

I am proud to be proud, and deeply resent the continued and unwarranted attacks on pride.

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Pride is not as simple as that in context to autism politics. Your personally being proud differs from Autism Pride political groups. In what you have said above I see nothing at all wrong with nor controversial. Just know your personal pride as you would call it starkly differs from political pride politics.

Nonsense.

Ok. Perhaps in your honest personal view in how you see it but in how it manifests against others in politics it is not at all like your views of yourself which you think are one in the same as autism pride politics as seen on T.V. I'd personally use the word proud or I'd fear somehow being related to autism pride antics in politics. I myself am very much different from them but not at all that much different then you in how you express your truth.

*RESPECT*

...but, you know, there are places where it just doesn't make sense to cast pearls...

English

Etymology

From the Bible "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." - KJV, Matthew 7:6

Verb
to cast pearls before swine
(idiomatic) To give things of value to those who will not understand or appreciate it.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cast_pearls_before_swine

Words.

To take pride in one's own life, is self respect. I am in favor.

Pride, as a political action group modeled on Gay Pride, is not going to work for us.

Gays are neurotypical, only their sex lives set them apart from the other neurotypicals.

We are not a homognous group, our mental diversity is broad. Just the Aspergers faction hold many points of view. Many others have problems even expressing a point of view, and no amount of tolerance could intergrate us into the mainstream.

Tolerance and accomidation will not overcome the various forms of disability presented by autism.

The politics of Pride came on in a full attack mode, denouncing Autism Speaks, for funding research, attacked other points of view here on Wrong Planet, Parents of autistic children, and tried to raise troops to confront Autism Speaks Autism Walks by violent and illegal means. There are no ex terrorists.

They attacked the rights of others, to organize, fund research, have a social site, because their Political Agenda was to destroy and replace what had been built by others.

They have a narrow Political Line, Talking Points, no understanding of Autism, and do not extend the tolerance they demand from others.

They have never raised a dime for support of the autistic, research into the cause, which is needed to develop means of mitagation, nor have they supplied any support to parents concerned about their children.

Pride is a self serving Political Group, using Autism to make personal gains.

Pride comith before a fall.

All of our supports are under attack, and these Tea Party of Autism Political Operatives would sell out our lives for their personal power gains.

They are Social, Network, and do not sound at all Autistic to me. While I support the self worth of all people, they do not, they are a narrow self serving political agenda out to take over as self imposed leaders of the autistic community. Having openly advocated terrorism and causing blood to run in the streets at Autism Walks, they are terrorists, extortionists, and a power driven political faction.

They offer nothing and would destroy everything, for their political power agenda.

My support goes to all autistic people, their parents, and the groups that do raise money to further research. Together, we are Autism, and ASAN was six people with hand lettered signs in New York on a sidewalk being ignored. Ignoring them is a good idea.

The self-advocacy community and it's brand of free thinking needs liberation from ASAN. An organization derived of exremist propaganda, scare tactics and manipulative philosphies that seek to control at all costs. they are misleading in organization name and are about a few perspectives implying they represent the voices of many and are accepting of the many. Self-advocacy has never been as manipulative, divisive and politically hostile in history within the autism communty until ASAN made the example of what not to do.

I will be personally speaking to my Congressman's office about my concerns with their approach. They may have manipulated their way in to get appointment because of their abortion mind games but it's time to call the bluff. We want empowered self-advocacy and not political dictators taking our voices away by empowering their beliefs only and making bad names for self-advocacy.

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Look, do you have any proof that ASAN is doing this at all or what groups are you talking about otherwise? I wont just believe things that you just say are true which are bad about people. There needs to be proof.

Look at what they say in protests. they use people like mines self-esteem to make me believe as if organizations like Autism Speaks hate me and want to kill me before I was born. They have been lying this whole time in their power hungry manipulation to get attention.

mines self-esteem? Could you clarify what that means? Also how does mines self-esteem have anything to do with whether they are power-hungry or use manipulation to get attention? As I said so far all I have of as evidence is that they picket and fear pre-natal checks, which given the history of Edward's syndrome and Down's syndrome isn't false.

They clearly call organizations and certain perspectives bigotry while asking for money from the public for support services in the same context. There is no proof Autism Speaks hates me or would have sought to kill me should I have been born later (eugenics). Frankly I'm tired of the frantic them vs. us they do as if expecting me not to think for myself. Then when I do some folks attack what I do in my hope that claim elegance to them. You folks don't know when to quite. ASAN followers cannot force myself and others to obide by their directive as I am my own leader and each is their own leader.

You know what I am talking about mines - mine (me). My perspective counts. I do not like how ASAN has conducted itself and they do not speak for me. Their silly political games should not be considered relevant to self-advocacy in general in the public eyes. If anyone else wants to try to force me to follow the pride political directive they better have an army in a half because I won't sacrifice my liberty or else face the attack.

ASAN should have sought the democratic input and participation of all self-advocates and not just lolled people around for so long as if they intended to empower individuals in their expressions as a network. They are a political special interest group of a select few perspectives expecting self-advocates to further their voice because they call themselves THE Autistic Self-Advocacy Network. They can take their verbal abuse toward parents, angry despondency and political head games to another country where they can force others to follow them or else. Some want to form their own autism country but here in America we all have rights.

ASAN had invented into so many people and organizations without proof why do you nto expect me to share my feelings and suddenly the like behavior is not ok?

The central deviding point resides here.

1. I am Autism

2. Vs Autism is what I have.

People view disabilities as not the whole being and that is common practice. I am not my difficulties but happen to have difficulties and I am much more then them and I do want to be held back. Instead some advocates have used how people try to help people like me and made them into monsters and made people think they were bad. They have made allies of people with autism into the enemy. There reckless nonsense needs to end and I don't mind doing a few media interviews to clear up the misunderstandings with regards to the thinking style differences.