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25 Sep 2011, 11:32 am

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I suppose one could look at this along with Medical Marijuana. I mean what if someone has a Chronic or Terminal painful condition?

Would someone like that actually have a use for Heroin or other harder drugs?

No, they wouldn't! Hah! Heroin has no medical advantages at all! Just because it has a stronger high doesn't mean it deals with pain better! Heroin is ashoddy drug that causes all sorts of mental problems. Using it as a way of staving off pain wouldn't work because it doesn't have that effect. And anways if I caught anyone using that method I would report them right away for medical negligence of the highest order!


Umm I am pretty sure though Herion is not considered a medicinal drug.....there are quite a few other drugs derived from opium that are used for perscription pain relief. So technically it would have some medicinal value but is more dangerous(from what I know) than those other opiates still very simular and would come with the medicinal benifit of pain relief. Technically not saying they should start prescribing people Herion instead of Morphine for instance but its close to the same thing.


I actually believe heroin can have some medical value,Kurt Cobain had a terrible pain condition and he was looking for something that would alleviate the pain and he said the heroin helped him feel like there was almost no pain that explains why he got so addicted to the stuff.
The only thing is that heroin is so addictive that I don't think they would prescribe heroin ever.


Well it does technically speaking...but yeah it is a bit more dangerous and addictive than the other opium based drugs they prescribe. I mean no doubt if I tried herion I would probably like it, I would like it too much so that is why I do not plan on touching that crap.


Actually doctors prescribe Oxycontin that can be just as bad as heroin if you crush up the pills and inject them.

When I was watching intervention there was this very attractive women who was addicted to Oxycontin and it was so bad that one day she ran out and was sick so she met up with her friend and they went to look for oxy's but they couldn't get them so her friend called up a heroin dealer and she never tried heroin, anyways they get the heroin shoot up in the car and the girl who was addicted to the Oxycontin didn't even get high because she had a such a tolerance to opioids.


Oh I did not know that, not suprising though.......but wow that a pretty high tolerance level there.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:20 pm

Also there are some people that try heroin and don't like it but I wouldn't recommend doing it there is a good chance you would get addicted.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:21 pm

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Also there are some people that try heroin and don't like it but I wouldn't recommend doing it there is a good chance you would get addicted.


Exactly and I am already addicted to ciggerettes and caffine....I get bad headaches if I go too long without caffine its pathetic.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:32 pm

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Umm I am pretty sure though Herion is not considered a medicinal drug.....there are quite a few other drugs derived from opium that are used for perscription pain relief. So technically it would have some medicinal value but is more dangerous(from what I know) than those other opiates still very simular and would come with the medicinal benifit of pain relief. Technically not saying they should start prescribing people Herion instead of Morphine for instance but its close to the same thing.

No it isn't. Let me tell you that just because a drug is similar doesn't mean it isn't massively dangerous. In fact similar molecules can often be the most dangerous. For example Carbon Monoxide and molecular Oxygen have a similar shape, but if you started huffing on 21% carbon monoxide in the atmosphere you'd be dead within a minute. Same with Heroin.

Heroin is actually a diester of Morphine, which is why it is oficially known as Diamorphine. Morphine though unlike heroin, doesn't cause constipation, instantaneous addiction, abcesses, heart attack or shock from even a medium dosage. And unlike morphine cold turkey from even the smallest Heroin dosage can lead to sweating, malaise, anxiety, depression, akathisia (which is basically an unsettled state), priapism, insomnia, rhinorrhea, chills and cold sweats.
From a slightly larger dose you then go on to vomiting, diarrhoea, cramps and fever.

Any person who would even dare think that freely providing this drug is a fool who dooms thousands to a body-destroying addiction.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:33 pm

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Also there are some people that try heroin and don't like it but I wouldn't recommend doing it there is a good chance you would get addicted.


Exactly and I am already addicted to ciggerettes and caffine....I get bad headaches if I go too long without caffine its pathetic.

So why do you think you have any right to talk about the addictive capabilities of a drug if you seem unable to avoid any addiction?



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25 Sep 2011, 1:34 pm

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Also there are some people that try heroin and don't like it but I wouldn't recommend doing it there is a good chance you would get addicted.


Exactly and I am already addicted to ciggerettes and caffine....I get bad headaches if I go too long without caffine its pathetic.


I don't think its pathetic, your just addicted to caffeine and nicotine so am I and there are hundreds of millions of people that are addicted to those things as well. Tho my addiction's are more mental I could go without caffeine for a few days and not have many problems but nicotine I get pissed off if I'm without it for too long.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:35 pm

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Umm I am pretty sure though Herion is not considered a medicinal drug.....there are quite a few other drugs derived from opium that are used for perscription pain relief. So technically it would have some medicinal value but is more dangerous(from what I know) than those other opiates still very simular and would come with the medicinal benifit of pain relief. Technically not saying they should start prescribing people Herion instead of Morphine for instance but its close to the same thing.


No it isn't. Let me tell you that just because a drug is similar doesn't mean it isn't massively dangerous. In fact similar molecules can often be the most dangerous. For example Carbon Monoxide and molecular Oxygen have a similar shape, but if you started huffing on 21% carbon monoxide in the atmosphere you'd be dead within a minute. Same with Heroin.

Heroin is actually a diester of Morphine, which is why it is oficially known as Diamorphine. Morphine though unlike heroin, doesn't cause constipation, instantaneous addiction, abcesses, heart attack or shock from even a medium dosage. And unlike morphine cold turkey from even the smallest Heroin dosage can lead to sweating, malaise, anxiety, depression, akathisia (which is basically an unsettled state), priapism, insomnia, rhinorrhea, chills and cold sweats.
From a slightly larger dose you then go on to vomiting, diarrhoea, cramps and fever.

Any person who would even dare think that freely providing this drug is a fool who dooms thousands to a body-destroying addiction.


I never said it was not dangerous........just that there are other very simular drugs derived from opium as well that they prescribe, some of these drugs are just as dangerous.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:35 pm

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I actually believe heroin can have some medical value,Kurt Cobain had a terrible pain condition and he was looking for something that would alleviate the pain and he said the heroin helped him feel like there was almost no pain that explains why he got so addicted to the stuff.
The only thing is that heroin is so addictive that I don't think they would prescribe heroin ever.

Kurt Cobain was constantly depressed. And it didn't help him that much because he blew his brains out. This is just another example of people who use hard drugs being mentally sick and incapable of understanding that drugs give short term relief but then make the body pay in the long term with what the relief was supposed to stop.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:40 pm

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Actually doctors prescribe Oxycontin that can be just as bad as heroin if you crush up the pills and inject them.

When I was watching intervention there was this very attractive women who was addicted to Oxycontin and it was so bad that one day she ran out and was sick so she met up with her friend and they went to look for oxy's but they couldn't get them so her friend called up a heroin dealer and she never tried heroin, anyways they get the heroin shoot up in the car and the girl who was addicted to the Oxycontin didn't even get high because she had a such a tolerance to opioids.

No, that is a lie.

Oxytocin is not as bad as heroin. In fact oxytocin is a vital neuromodulator in mammalian brains. People have severe neurological problems if they don't have oxytocin. Oxytocin is vital for pregnancy. Oxytocin is also important in orgasm, pair bonding, stimulating mild anxiety and pair bonding.

Heroin makes you puke in to a toilet bowl.

See how these are not the same. And give up the absurd idea that Heroin is somehow acceptable.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:42 pm

Gedrene wrote:
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Also there are some people that try heroin and don't like it but I wouldn't recommend doing it there is a good chance you would get addicted.


Exactly and I am already addicted to ciggerettes and caffine....I get bad headaches if I go too long without caffine its pathetic.

So why do you think you have any right to talk about the addictive capabilities of a drug if you seem unable to avoid any addiction?


those are two things, not every addictive substance on the face of the earth.....I started smoking cigerettes when I was 18 not for very good reasons and did not really take the addictive thing seriously, I figured how bad can something that is legal really be? well now I know and I think many people are probably more or less addicted to caffine 'needing' a cup of coffee in the morning is an addiction.

But I do my research so that is why I feel I have the right to discuss the addictive capabilities of drugs.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:44 pm

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Actually doctors prescribe Oxycontin that can be just as bad as heroin if you crush up the pills and inject them.

When I was watching intervention there was this very attractive women who was addicted to Oxycontin and it was so bad that one day she ran out and was sick so she met up with her friend and they went to look for oxy's but they couldn't get them so her friend called up a heroin dealer and she never tried heroin, anyways they get the heroin shoot up in the car and the girl who was addicted to the Oxycontin didn't even get high because she had a such a tolerance to opioids.

No, that is a lie.

Oxytocin is not as bad as heroin. In fact oxytocin is a vital neuromodulator in mammalian brains. People have severe neurological problems if they don't have oxytocin. Oxytocin is vital for pregnancy. Oxytocin is also important in orgasm, pair bonding, stimulating mild anxiety and pair bonding.

Heroin makes you puke in to a toilet bowl.

See how these are not the same. And give up the absurd idea that Heroin is somehow acceptable.


No Oxycontin not Oxytocin.......they are very different, I admit the first time I heard of Oxytocin I thought Oxycontin was being discussed because of the simular spelling. Oxycontin is an opiate pain reliever.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:46 pm

Gedrene wrote:
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I actually believe heroin can have some medical value,Kurt Cobain had a terrible pain condition and he was looking for something that would alleviate the pain and he said the heroin helped him feel like there was almost no pain that explains why he got so addicted to the stuff.
The only thing is that heroin is so addictive that I don't think they would prescribe heroin ever.

Kurt Cobain was constantly depressed. And it didn't help him that much because he blew his brains out. This is just another example of people who use hard drugs being mentally sick and incapable of understanding that drugs give short term relief but then make the body pay in the long term with what the relief was supposed to stop.


He should have tried cannabis......its a pain reliever and is not nearly as hard on the body, just a thought.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:48 pm

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those are two things, not every addictive substance on the face of the earth.....I started smoking cigerettes when I was 18 not for very good reasons and did not really take the addictive thing seriously, I figured how bad can something that is legal really be? well now I know and I think many people are probably more or less addicted to caffine 'needing' a cup of coffee in the morning is an addiction.

But I do my research so that is why I feel I have the right to discuss the addictive capabilities of drugs.


Fair enough. I was actually overstepping the mark. Everyone has the right to discuss everything. That was quite cowardly of me. But to be honest Sweetleaf I think I have made my case that using heroin or cocaine is stupid and legalizing it is completely foolish and will condemn people who think that just because it's legal because it's fine to a life of chemical slavery and self-destruction. Just as smokes have dented your life, so cocaine annihilates other's lives.



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Gedrene wrote:
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Actually doctors prescribe Oxycontin that can be just as bad as heroin if you crush up the pills and inject them.

When I was watching intervention there was this very attractive women who was addicted to Oxycontin and it was so bad that one day she ran out and was sick so she met up with her friend and they went to look for oxy's but they couldn't get them so her friend called up a heroin dealer and she never tried heroin, anyways they get the heroin shoot up in the car and the girl who was addicted to the Oxycontin didn't even get high because she had a such a tolerance to opioids.

No, that is a lie.

Oxytocin is not as bad as heroin. In fact oxytocin is a vital neuromodulator in mammalian brains. People have severe neurological problems if they don't have oxytocin. Oxytocin is vital for pregnancy. Oxytocin is also important in orgasm, pair bonding, stimulating mild anxiety and pair bonding.

Heroin makes you puke in to a toilet bowl.

See how these are not the same. And give up the absurd idea that Heroin is somehow acceptable.


Well that's what was said on intervention and it makes sense both are addictive however Oxycontin if taken in pill form is much less harmful then heroin unless you crush them up and inject them then it can be just as bad.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:51 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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I actually believe heroin can have some medical value,Kurt Cobain had a terrible pain condition and he was looking for something that would alleviate the pain and he said the heroin helped him feel like there was almost no pain that explains why he got so addicted to the stuff.
The only thing is that heroin is so addictive that I don't think they would prescribe heroin ever.

Kurt Cobain was constantly depressed. And it didn't help him that much because he blew his brains out. This is just another example of people who use hard drugs being mentally sick and incapable of understanding that drugs give short term relief but then make the body pay in the long term with what the relief was supposed to stop.


He should have tried cannabis......its a pain reliever and is not nearly as hard on the body, just a thought.


Kurt actually tried cannabis that was the first thing he tried but I guess he needed something more powerful and quickly found heroin.



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25 Sep 2011, 1:52 pm

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those are two things, not every addictive substance on the face of the earth.....I started smoking cigerettes when I was 18 not for very good reasons and did not really take the addictive thing seriously, I figured how bad can something that is legal really be? well now I know and I think many people are probably more or less addicted to caffine 'needing' a cup of coffee in the morning is an addiction.

But I do my research so that is why I feel I have the right to discuss the addictive capabilities of drugs.


Fair enough. I was actually overstepping the mark. Everyone has the right to discuss everything. That was quite cowardly of me. But to be honest Sweetleaf I think I have made my case that using heroin or cocaine is stupid and legalizing it is completely foolish and will condemn people who think that just because it's legal because it's fine to a life of chemical slavery and self-destruction. Just as smokes have dented your life, so cocaine annihilates other's lives.


I am aware of that, I mean the idea behind those things being legal would probably be they could be better regulated and it might be safer.......I still just feel people should be able to do as they choose and not be treated like a criminal if they develop a problem with something, but I think cocaine and herion being illegal makes a bit more sense than cannabis being illegal as those things are significantly more dangerous.