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22 Jan 2008, 9:25 pm

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Frankly, nobody should be able to be a parent with such a disregard for the care of their kids. BTW Some get FREE homes, and FREE tuition. They STILL fail!...
I got where I am in SPITE of my parents, not because of it.

I don't believe in judging "failure" or success by how much money you have, your position in society, etc. The only "success" in life, for me, is happiness!



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22 Jan 2008, 9:38 pm

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I have this friend of mine who I've know for about a year now. Recently I brought up Aspergers in a conversation we were having but he cut me off saying "Hey lets not talk about that. No offense but I honestly don't believe in Aspergers." I wanted to ask why he, for some reason, doesn't "believe in" Aspergers despite there being proof of it being a real thing, but I thought it was better just to not bother bringing it up after he told me not to. Now my friend doesn't believe in other things too, like God (he's an Atheist, and while I may be a Christian I have no problem with that), and I'll admit that I can see why he wouldn't believe in the other stuff, but why would he not believe in something with scientific facts behind it, especially something like Aspergers?

Has anyone else ever run into people, or heard of people, who just "don't believe in" Aspergers?


I don't blame them, it's a really strange condition that's hard to pinpoint. Usually, the same people that say asperger isn't real, are people that don't believe in psychology in general. That's ignorant. It's easy to not believe in something if you don't experience it yourself. It's like trying to explain to a fish what oxygen is like. It can't be done. So don't expect them to believe it.



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20 Jul 2009, 7:41 am

extraordinary (even widely believed aka myths and the supernatural) claims require extraordinary evidence.
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20 Jul 2009, 1:15 pm

Same thing happens with ADHD. People just think that the symptoms of ADHD are "hyperactivity" and that's it. They'll say "Oh, but I get bored in school- does that mean I have ADHD".......*headdesk*.

I think it's because AS is such a "popular" disorder, but nobody seems to know anything about it other than "They're nerds" or "They're socially stupid". People think that AS is just being a little bit eccentric and that's actually a load of s**t.

People are very naive if they think that doctors just make up disorders on a whim or just cause they feel like it. Like any science, it has to be carefully scrutinised before it can be considered a fact. It can take decades before the psychiatric community will accept it as a real disorder. AS and ADHD/ADD are very real disorders and you can see the neurological differences in these people in comparison to NT people.

I'm an atheist and I'm appauled at the naivety of your friend (considering that science is really not a matter of belief and non-belief- it's a matter of fact). It's okay to scrutinise something and it's great if you manage to actually prove something to be wrong or right, but the point is that you need solid EVIDENCE, not "oh, I just BELIEVE that something that is backed up by an ocean of solid and consistent evidence is not true".



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20 Jul 2009, 1:18 pm

stevechoi wrote:
BloodRedFox wrote:
I have this friend of mine who I've know for about a year now. Recently I brought up Aspergers in a conversation we were having but he cut me off saying "Hey lets not talk about that. No offense but I honestly don't believe in Aspergers." I wanted to ask why he, for some reason, doesn't "believe in" Aspergers despite there being proof of it being a real thing, but I thought it was better just to not bother bringing it up after he told me not to. Now my friend doesn't believe in other things too, like God (he's an Atheist, and while I may be a Christian I have no problem with that), and I'll admit that I can see why he wouldn't believe in the other stuff, but why would he not believe in something with scientific facts behind it, especially something like Aspergers?

Has anyone else ever run into people, or heard of people, who just "don't believe in" Aspergers?


I don't blame them, it's a really strange condition that's hard to pinpoint. Usually, the same people that say asperger isn't real, are people that don't believe in psychology in general. That's ignorant. It's easy to not believe in something if you don't experience it yourself. It's like trying to explain to a fish what oxygen is like. It can't be done. So don't expect them to believe it.


Don't you mean it's like trying to explain to a fish what air is like? They do need oxygen too. Still, good analogy :)



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20 Jul 2009, 1:31 pm

Thread was inactive for 18 months prior to being resurrected today - do not expect answers to questions written to members who were here then and may have likely moved on in the interim.


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20 Jul 2009, 1:59 pm

This really angers me when people don't believe there is such thing as Asperger's Syndrome. This is something I feel, and it is real to me. My parents don't believe I have it, and they think all my weirdness and quirks and anti-social behavior is blamed on a friend influencing me to be this way. That friend became my husband. Imagine how that feels when your own parents don't appreciate who you associate with. They refuse to believe there is anything wrong with me, and when I act strange they blame it on Richard!



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25 Jul 2009, 12:56 pm

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He says that I made it all up because I have a sick need for him to have something wrong with him.

And attitudes like that make us feel even worse; even more misunderstood. :(

Some people are just ignorant.



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27 Jul 2009, 1:29 am

I'm having a hard time dealing with this one as well. So far people's reactions about it in disbelief, and/or shooting it down under the low-IQ stereotype of autism seriously spring in me a desire to shut down and not tell anyone.



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27 Jul 2009, 7:13 am

I know people who "don't believe" in AS. The thing is, it is understandable that people who've known AS as "just eccentricity" for all of their lives, will n ot suddenly adapt to believing it's a neurological disability. I generally ignore the "I don't believ ein AS" stuff and won't debate with these people.



27 Jul 2009, 12:30 pm

People who don't believe in it don't really understand how real it really is. Until they meet someone who actually does have it or reads a memoir about it, then they will see the real difference.



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28 Jul 2009, 3:50 am

I know a few ppl who think it's just an excuse for ill behaved children, along with adhd, ocd etc.



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29 Jul 2009, 3:43 am

I've found that there are so many people who don't believe in Aspergers (usually the same ones who can be sitting right next to a hardcore case of ADHD and say "Oh no... ADHD isn't real"), so this is why I just say I'm autistic if I say anything at all.



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06 Aug 2009, 2:23 pm

BloodRedFox, my excommunicated father would most likely fit this picture as, in his mind all things relating of a mental nature are merely psychsomatic and tend to be more than just a figment of one's imagination, including the very notion Depression is an actual medical condition and all..Honestly, I've always felt that my As is very real and I don't let anyone try to tell me that it's simply something that you imagine or make up to acquire attention or positive emotions from others..


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06 Aug 2009, 8:35 pm

BloodRedFox wrote:
I have this friend of mine who I've know for about a year now. Recently I brought up Aspergers in a conversation we were having but he cut me off saying "Hey lets not talk about that. No offense but I honestly don't believe in Aspergers." I wanted to ask why he, for some reason, doesn't "believe in" Aspergers despite there being proof of it being a real thing, but I thought it was better just to not bother bringing it up after he told me not to. Now my friend doesn't believe in other things too, like God (he's an Atheist, and while I may be a Christian I have no problem with that), and I'll admit that I can see why he wouldn't believe in the other stuff, but why would he not believe in something with scientific facts behind it, especially something like Aspergers?

Has anyone else ever run into people, or heard of people, who just "don't believe in" Aspergers?

First it is a defense move, so they do not have to deal with AS. I suggest a "new" friend.


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24 Aug 2009, 4:16 pm

i'm diagnosed with asperger and i dont believe its real its just some other stupide made up word for diffrent. its more something to label people with then it is a disorder its just diffrent people all people act diffrent we dont have names for people that cant cook why do we have names for people that are less social.