LA kid gets measles

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From an old and fairly biased (surprise, surprise) story in the NZ Herald, August 13 2006. Which makes him a 54 or 55 year old father of three now.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/sto ... d=10395992




From Barbara Sumner-Burstyn's website

http://www.sumnerburstyn.com/vax/MeNZB- ... de-332.pdf

(At the end of the report).

I should add, Barbara Sumner-Burstyn is herself an award-winning journalist.

Social Issues Columnist of the Year 2004
Winner: BARBARA SUMNER BURSTYN
The New Zealand Herald

Columnist of the Year 2004
Finalist: BARBARA SUMNER BURSTYN
The New Zealand Herald

And the other questions?

Scoop is a news media site. They publish press releases. That was a press release. If you want biased news, go to a mainstream site.

What is unreadable about the graph? I can read it perfectly clearly... do you mean the print is too small? In that case, the thick maroon lines (the verticle ones) are '12 month total cases', the pinky horizontal-axis line is '12 month rolling totals', the blue-black horizontal line starting at August 2004 is 'Uptake of MeNZB vaccine (% of under ones x3 vaccine)', same as the right-hand vertical axis. I'm sure you can read the rest. Not sure why the bigger version isn't available anymore, though the PR is a couple of weeks old now so the link may have expired. The source is the NZ Ministry of Health.

And it has to do with measles that it's another dodgy vaccine rolled out that's had no bearing or impact on the numbers of people contracting the disease - in fact, nearly everyone who's contracted it since it was introduced was vaccinated. The epidemic was rapidly waning and finished when the vax was introduced (you can check Statistics NZ for the facts), and the vax has been given credit for it. Facts are, it was already over, and the rates would have been low even without the vaccine. Which, for reference, wasn't tested or proven, was manufactured by a dodgy company who are now no longer in business as far as I'm aware, had its 'parent vax' pulled and banned for safety concerns, and has caused massive reactions and death.

Basically, the common factor is it's another dodgy campaign for a dodgy vaccine based on lies, untruths, and fear.

A-ha! The link to the bigger graph image had left off the .jpeg, which is why it wasn't working.

So this is the bigger one, so you can see it for yourself.

http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0 ... 81988.jpeg

Reminds me of a recent scientific study that stated the chicken pox vaccine will cause an estimated 21 million more cases of shingles and 5,000 deaths. I definitely don't want that vaccine. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... three.aspx

Pro-vaxers can comfort themselves knowing that the government is solving the problem by working with drug companies on a new shingles vaccine.

haha! hilarious.

Bullsh*t.

Not vaccinating is dangerous and should be punished by law.

So should draconian enforcement of things that infringe on our human rights in a so-called democratic country with so-called free will and free choice...

If only we lived in 1692 and you were magistrate of something other than your cat... *sigh*

Nice graph. I won't be getting that vaccine anytime soon.

I think I should start my own drug company and make vaccines. They're highly profitable, the sheeple require no evidence of effectiveness or any safety studies (beyond 4 weeks), I can create them for diseases that have already peaked and are declining and point to charts that ignore the previous decline and only show the decline after the vaccine was introduced, and thanks to drug company bribes the taxpayers and not the drug companies are responsible for any harm they cause (which is why the US and other governments paid out $2 billion to victims of vaccine damage), and as a bonus I can get rich making new drugs to treat the symptoms of the chronic health problems (not talking about autism) they probably cause.

Here's the proof from Medscape that the chicken pox vaccine may cause 21 million more cases of shingles and 5,000 deaths:

Varicella Vaccine May Increase Shingles Risk in Elderly
LONDON (Reuters Health) May 02 - Scientists said on Thursday that immunising children against varicella could increase the risk of shingles in adults.

The team, at Britain's Public Health Laboratory Service, said that although vaccination would save thousands of lives over time, thousands of elderly people could also die from the complications of herpes zoster.

Writing in the journal Vaccine, they called for a re-evaluation of the policy of mass varicella vaccination that has been introduced already in the United States and is imminent in many other countries...

The researchers worked out a mathematical model that predicts that eliminating chickenpox in a country the size of the United States would prevent 186 million cases of the disease and 5,000 deaths over 50 years.

However they said it could also result in 21 million more cases of shingles and 5000 deaths.
http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynew ... gElder.htm


Here's the proof that the government is working with the drug company Merck to create a shingles vaccine:

Experimental Shingles Vaccine Proves Effective in Nationwide Study
In one of the largest adult vaccine clinical trials ever, researchers have found that an experimental vaccine against shingles (zoster vaccine) prevented about half of cases of shingles...The findings appear in the June 2 issue of The New England Journal of Medicine.

The Shingles Prevention Study, conducted over 5 ½-years, was led by the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) and carried out in collaboration with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and Merck & Co., Inc.
http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2005/niaid-01a.htm

Interesting to note what they consider effective:
"During an average of more than three years of follow-up, the vaccine reduced the incidence of shingles by 51 percent: 642 cases of shingles occurred among those in the placebo group compared with only 315 in the vaccinated group."

You really can't accuse people who refuse to get vaccinated with spreading an epidemic when the vaccine doesn't make anyone immune but only reduces that chances of getting it by 50%. How is not vaccinating dangerous when vaccinated people still get these diseases?

Taking vitamin supplements if you get infected may be more effective than vaccination. Vitamin A reduced the most common cause of mortality related to measles by 67%. Why institute a police state and punish people who don't vaccinate because they prefer safer, effective alternatives?

Vitamin A Reduces Infant Deaths from Measles, Studies Confirm
Pneumonia was most common cause of death in children with measles in the four studies that specified cause. Pooling data from studies that used two doses of vitamin A, comprising 429 hospitalized children, the reviewers found a 67 percent reduction of mortality from pneumonia.
http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/515662/

I still find it incredible that anyone would want to vaccinate against something as harmless as chicken pox. To me it seems more like parents not wanting to take time off work for a few days to look after their kid while they've got a fever and spots, rather than genuine concern for their children's health.

I'd advice to vaccinate against chicken pox and measles after age 18 if one hasn't managed to catch it. If one had chicken pox before, then a test is in order whether they're immune or not.

Only about 80% of those who once had chicken pox once are actually immune afterwards. I think it's not sensible to count on this, so a testing won't do any bad. It's also a good indicator for whether one should stay away from chicken pox-ical kids or not.

I think a chicken pox vaccination is worth consideration for people with autoimmune disorders such as AIDS, people with several forms of chancer and for people with epidermis disorders such as LSC. And of course for the pregnant women who have no immunity.

Vaccines are usually only 50-70% effective as well, so if everyone's getting vaccinated - or even half a population - then how are people meant to get it young and prevent problems from getting it older? Kids won't be getting it, adults will, and then there's going to be big problems and an increase in shingles and the probs that come with having it older.

But 0% immunity with the chance of 50% is better than the 0%. Someone who'll be at risk for complications if being infected with chicken pox will probably take the chicken pox vaccine.

Even if only to save time.

Or to make sure for the time of treatment for... say, chancer, there's a lower risk for various complications.

I said that I would not vaccinate children.

(Unless children are in a risk group. Which we are able to test now and should test to guarantee the best safety to every child.)

I do think that currently children are the main cause if chicken pox spreads. I do not believe that adults overall have a huge impact on how chicken pox spreads. I know that those with shingles can spread chicken pox, but I also think these people usually keep away from children. (Naturally, by their age. This does not apply if they're also parents of course.)

And as an adult, chicken pox is actually a problematic disease. That's why we all root for children getting chicken pox right? So that they won't catch it as adults, when it isn't an as unproblematic disease as it was in childhood.

That's how my grandma knew it from her childhood. I'm really suprised that this is perfectly accurate.

I base this on the current version of chicken pox vaccines. Which is, as you said it, not exactly safe.

The vaccine's also way too new to figure out how it will work in long terms. That got me somewhat amused. Go up to 90% safety after second vaccination, but go down to 80-70% safety in the year after.

I assume they'll refine this in the future?

It's yet to be seen what will happen anyway.