Another save the world from autism website

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I agree: that is really really stupid (what you ve just said).
If you are living in a dump or in a hole, or in a nursing house - better stay there, cause you kinda already used to "handle it". Would you agree to change your life for another one? And live in a house, with a family, have some friends? No way! you are not so stupid, are you?

I would love to get back to the topic 11krage introduced, about parents who have put up a website asking for donations so they can take their autistic children to Mexico and get some doctor there to use them as guinea pigs by squirting some stem cells into their brains. I don't even know if this is legit, or just some crook looking to make a score off people. Even if it is legit, should parents be allowed to experiment on their kids, or would that be considered child abuse?

Have any of you checked out the website to see if it is legit? I wouldn't know how to do that, but I bet some of you are real good at that. Before we go attacking it, first we should know if it is real. If it's a scam, we should contact the appropriate authorities to get it removed. I don't like people using autism as a scam to steal money. If it's real, how about investigating whether the proposed treatment has any real expectation of success, or whether it would just be considered parental child abuse.

I don't think we should look at this as aspies/autistics, but simply as people who are concerned about the welfare of these two kids.

Good point ed.

I did look at the site, when this thread started, and I couldn't make a lot of sense of it.

I've just had another attempt at working out what the site is about, and failed, again.

I am quite anti-boxing, which I guess doesn't help. I cannot see any mhe morality in people cheering on, while two people attempt to give each other brain damage.

Other than a large amount of boxing propaganda, the site makes a few attempts at getting donations, but exactly what for, I'm not sure.

In one place it seems to be promoting stem cell treatments, which certainly smacks of human experimentation, to me.

In another, halfway down the home page, it has an image of crying children coming for a vaccination. That is subtitled with an old ingredients list, with the usual mercury, but also mentioning human foetal tissue.

So, on the one hand, injecting stem stems into your bloodstream is bad, but on the other hand, injecting them into your brain is good.

There is no such thing as bad science...
Only bad scientists

So whare you saying? That you want everybody to be like everyone els, just as long as they are not normal?


Dictionary say:
Normal:
Who does not diverge from the average. (of people, also "mentally healthy")
For everything you give, you take something away, and you have no idea what you're taking from them.


I want to be accepted as different, in the same way I accept that others are different from me. I do not try to force them to be as me.


Becouse we don't know! They are struggeling to communicate our way, that is not their way. From what you're saying we can in the same breath say that being a dog sucks, becouse they can't talk to us. I don't say it's great, I say that just becouse they don't has the same conditions to do things, doesn't mean they don't live their lives with joy.
Wow... what a surprise, your prespective, yet again.


Why? You are doing the opposite. You assume they want to be cured. You want to undo a person, without any idea if this person wants you to or not.

Is this website a joke???

1. man pretending to be tough by wearing a bandana, and using either a really crappy cigar, or a fake one.
2. Religious nuts.
3. Bad slogans "Lets knock out Autism" (coupled with another bad photo of this man, showing his fist)
4. The bad fire and brimstone red with lightening bolts and a child to symbolize that autism is "hell"
5. The ad for a New York Bail Bond company at the very bottom.
6. The page is titled "donations" when you look at the very top of you browser, so that we'll subconsciously think to donate to their misguided "cause"
7. Check out the guestbook for the most blurry image you will ever see, and not one guestbook entry.

This page is hilarious! I can't stop laughing.

I just want all to have the same amount of ability, or at least for all people to have all basic capabilities. Being normal or not doesn't have anything to do with it.

That doesn't make any sense.

How couldn't it be their way? They are people and are human beings, and so are other people. Don't act as if they're a different species! Why err on the side of your ridiculous assumptions in order to think that a cure would be unnecessary? Why not support the much more likely reality that they want to communicate like other people?

Who wouldn't want to be cured of mental impairments? What do you mean undoing a person?

Then you're not looking for a cure, you want an aid. It's the same differnes between crutches and antibiotics. (Allright, not the best metafor, but hopefully you understand.)


Becouse it's not more likely. In basics it's 50/50, what they want to do, but as far as I know, the "worse" atistic you are, the less you want with others to do. Why this would change, I do not understand.


Those people that don't care or doesn't see it.
A person is defined by its personality, the personality is based upon reactions, memories and interpretation of those memories, as soon as you start messing around with someones head, how they think and how they reason, you start changing the person.
But if you use the "screwdriver" to literaly rearange the persons brain, the only thing that's left of that person is the memories. You have basicly killed someone and put in someone els in their head.

And no, it's not the same thing as when a personality evolve, those still thinks the same way. An autistic turned into an NT wouldn't.

Interesting, dalurker, that I find your prior post to consist almost entirely of you projecting your desires on other people.

You assume that whatever you find desirable, everyone else should not only want, but will appreciate you forcing it upon them, while you ignore what they say, or gratuitously comment that it "makes no sense".

The culmination, toward the end, is:

Here I see that you...

1. ... presumably speak from personal experience of being mentally impaired?
2. ... have decided that such mental impairment must be cured at whatever cost,
3. ... have projected that desire on everyone else, and
4. ... are implying that autism is a mental impairment.

All that (and maybe more), in nine words.

Thank God, then it's not only my imagination. ^^

Whatever.

I don't think you have a lot of evidence as to what severe autistics want. What if they go a long time before knowing what they're missing out on? They haven't spoken out confirming what you say about them.

What makes you think that "messing around" with someone's head will change who they are and their personality? Personality has nothing to do with intelligence and capabilities. There is no evidence that increasing someone's abilities through changing someone's brain will entail such a drastic circumstance as you imply.

The website is pretty funny in my opinion. You got Dr. Goodnight on the top banner, it says "Let's knockout Autism: It's time to shed the light on the Dark World of Autism" and it has a picture of a child. They try to make the child appear to be a demon child or the child of satan in their poorly done graphics. It's nice that these people portray this autistic child as the demon child of satan.

On the bottom of every page there this ad for a bail bond company that is located in New York. But the people that run the website live in Arkansas. So, I don't understand why they would put up a ad for a New York bail bond company. The website is geared towards boxing, not autism, just boxing. But whne you click on the donations link, the website ask for donations so they can "knockout Autism," it looks like a scam to fund their SOB boxing. Also on the donations page, there is one video of some people going to Costa Rica because of a doctor there that will inject stem-cells into their autistic child brain. Apparently this method hasn't been approved in the USA.

In all the videos, it's not clear if the children shown in them are related to Dr. Goodnight or just random videos Dr. Goodnight found and stuck KO boxing on the end of each video.


On another note, how can one find a cure for autism, if it's not even clear what the cause of autism even is?

I'm not projecting my wants onto other people, any more than someone would be projecting, when they assume that other people want to eat, have a nice home, have money to spend, and be healthy, based on their own wants for those things. Nobody has shown reliable evidence that anyone wants to be mentally impaired. And I won't take the word of some high-functioning aspies about this, who I don't think should represent the low-functioning.


As to 1., yes, definitely.
As to 2., pretty much yeah. But I don't think the cost will be onerous in any way that would displease many people.
As to 3., I don't have to project. The reality that I've observed tells me nothing about this matter, other than that all people want to be capable and intelligent.
As to 4., not necessarily, because of the high-functioning who sometimes have virtually no impairments. I think a lot about the large mental impairment that comes with autism in most cases.

I see that you have a totally closed mind. Your opinion of what might be useful to a low functioning autistic overrides the personal experience of all autistics. Don't give them what they ask for, tell them what they must accept.

What is so closed minded about considering what is most likely? The personal experience of super intelligent autistics who aren't mentally impaired, doesn't apply to the realities of the low-functioning who are deprived of basic capabilities. What makes you think that the low-functioning want you smart aspies to hog up all of the ability for yourselves? What the low-functioning need and deserve shouldn't be yours to decide and grant to them. Get real.

Nothing. I do just that.

And thanks for the compliment: "super intelligent autistics".