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24 Jun 2009, 3:10 pm

Yeah, there was an Austrian guy who thought people were superior based on predetermined (prenatal?) factors.

Turned out well for him

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One example I can think of off the top of my head is visualization. When an NT visualizes an object in 3D, they are 'movie screening' it. For example, viewing a cube is actually viewing a PROJECTION of a 3D cube onto a 2D surface. Neurotypicals cannot visualize in perfect 3D.
Aspergians, on the other hand, can take that cube and break it apart, rotate it, put it back together, see the inner workings, etc. With practice (and several friends of mine can do this as well as myself) we've been able to visualize all the way up to 7D, and our goal is to train our minds to work at the maximum 10D.

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Wow so you've defied Physics?... well done



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24 Jun 2009, 3:19 pm

The only flaw with visualising in 10D? You can't be sure you're actually doing it.



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The only flaw with visualising in 10D? You can't be sure you're actually doing it.


Opiates solves this problem
that or the PS3 and it's '4D reality Syntehsizer GPU', THANKS SONY


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24 Jun 2009, 3:55 pm

TheBookkeeper wrote:
One example I can think of off the top of my head is visualization. When an NT visualizes an object in 3D, they are 'movie screening' it. For example, viewing a cube is actually viewing a PROJECTION of a 3D cube onto a 2D surface. Neurotypicals cannot visualize in perfect 3D.
Aspergians, on the other hand, can take that cube and break it apart, rotate it, put it back together, see the inner workings, etc. With practice (and several friends of mine can do this as well as myself) we've been able to visualize all the way up to 7D, and our goal is to train our minds to work at the maximum 10D.

-TB


How do you visualize dimensions which are not visual?



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TheBookkeeper wrote:
One example I can think of off the top of my head is visualization. When an NT visualizes an object in 3D, they are 'movie screening' it. For example, viewing a cube is actually viewing a PROJECTION of a 3D cube onto a 2D surface. Neurotypicals cannot visualize in perfect 3D.
Aspergians, on the other hand, can take that cube and break it apart, rotate it, put it back together, see the inner workings, etc. With practice (and several friends of mine can do this as well as myself) we've been able to visualize all the way up to 7D, and our goal is to train our minds to work at the maximum 10D.

-TB


How do you visualize dimensions which are not visual?


see my previous post



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24 Jun 2009, 9:58 pm

Once you understand WHAT the dimension IS and HOW to visualize it, the rest falls into place. Consider this: eating with a knife and fork comes naturally to most of us, but if we'd never seen a knife and fork before, how would we know to eat with it? It's not instinctual. Once the dimensions are clarified, and we are shown how to visualize them, it all happens easily.

And forget the PS3 and Opiates, thank you very much. I do not own either.

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24 Jun 2009, 11:26 pm

TheBookkeeper wrote:
One example I can think of off the top of my head is visualization. When an NT visualizes an object in 3D, they are 'movie screening' it. For example, viewing a cube is actually viewing a PROJECTION of a 3D cube onto a 2D surface. Neurotypicals cannot visualize in perfect 3D.
Aspergians, on the other hand, can take that cube and break it apart, rotate it, put it back together, see the inner workings, etc. With practice (and several friends of mine can do this as well as myself) we've been able to visualize all the way up to 7D, and our goal is to train our minds to work at the maximum 10D.

-TB

How quaint. I wonder what you think "dimensions" might be? I wonder why you feel they stop at ten?

Suggested reading: The Road to Reality


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25 Jun 2009, 12:36 am

The reason they stop at ten is the same reason your body can't handle the fourth dimension, I suppose. Physics won't allow it. The Dimensions are caught in a loop, so to speak, with each one sharing similarities with the dimensions before it in a set pattern (i.e. line, split, fold). Once you reach the Tenth Dimension, you are attempting to essentially comprehend the mathematical equivalent of multiplying infinity to power of infinity and dividing the answer by zero. Hence: roadblock.

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TheBookkeeper wrote:
The reason they stop at ten is the same reason your body can't handle the fourth dimension, I suppose. Physics won't allow it. The Dimensions are caught in a loop, so to speak, with each one sharing similarities with the dimensions before it in a set pattern (i.e. line, split, fold). Once you reach the Tenth Dimension, you are attempting to essentially comprehend the mathematical equivalent of multiplying infinity to power of infinity and dividing the answer by zero. Hence: roadblock.

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So, the answer to my question seems to be that you are using the capitalised term "Dimensions" in some idiosyncratic, mystical sense. Although you make reference to "physics", you presumably are unaware that current theories still, in effect, subsume Bosonic string theory, which inconveniently for you, requires 26 spacial dimensions, plus time.

Also note the latter part of Superstrings / Compactification, where 12 and 16 dimensions are mooted.

Of course, all the above are merely current theories in physics. The numbers (4, 10, 11, 12, 16 or 27) put no limitations on how many dimensions we can visualise, in the mathematical sense. There, the number of dimensions is not limited in any way (and includes fractional, irrational and transfinite numbers of dimensions).


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25 Jun 2009, 11:32 am

And just because we haven't gone far enough off topic...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything


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TheBookkeeper wrote:
One example I can think of off the top of my head is visualization. When an NT visualizes an object in 3D, they are 'movie screening' it. For example, viewing a cube is actually viewing a PROJECTION of a 3D cube onto a 2D surface. Neurotypicals cannot visualize in perfect 3D.
Aspergians, on the other hand, can take that cube and break it apart, rotate it, put it back together, see the inner workings, etc. With practice (and several friends of mine can do this as well as myself) we've been able to visualize all the way up to 7D, and our goal is to train our minds to work at the maximum 10D.

-TB


we can? we do?

Do I have to turn in my Aspie DX now because I certainly can't.

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And just because we haven't gone far enough off topic...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything


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Oooooo... i LIKE this! Thanks for sharing



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26 Jun 2009, 12:32 am

lau: Would you like a copy of the papers I have entitled "Imagining the 10 Dimensions"? I was unaware that I had capitalized dimensions (likely out of habit as I have written some papers regarding them). Many apologies for my grammatical transgression.

sinsboldly: I never said that NOT envisioning them made you a Neurotypical. I said an INABILITY to visualize them made you a Neurotypical. Have you ever been shown HOW to think in 3+ dimensions?

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lau: Would you like a copy of the papers I have entitled "Imagining the 10 Dimensions"? I was unaware that I had capitalized dimensions (likely out of habit as I have written some papers regarding them). Many apologies for my grammatical transgression.

No. I take it you have already read the Penrose book I posted early? I can highly recommend this one too: The Emperor's New Mind.

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NB. I see you have dropped using the idea "visualise", which sense (vision) is merely coarsely sampled spacial data in two dimensions, with time thrown in as a third dimension. Using "Imagining" sounds less constrained. I'm sure you can use your imagination to good effect on ten somethings. As to whether those somethings have anything to do with dimensions, I have no idea.

It would be of some interest to know why you would pick some particular number of them (whatever they are). I take it you have rejected M-theory (the current favourite model for physicists), as that requires eleven dimensions.


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sinsboldly: I never said that NOT envisioning them made you a Neurotypical. I said an INABILITY to visualize them made you a Neurotypical. Have you ever been shown HOW to think in 3+ dimensions?

-TB


I have no idea if I don't already do it anyway. I am still trying to understand Temple Grandin's idea of thinking in pictures as I don't have the theory of mind enough to imagine how other people think and how it might be different from how I think, yet. Sorry, it's all so confusing.

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17 Jul 2009, 12:12 pm

I'll go on the record to say the following, NT's Aspies are like may have their innate differences and so forth but, trying to take the notion that we Aspies need to be considered our own species and become seperate? Well, that is not such a realistic idea however, In some ways, I've always imagined Aspies being similar to the mutants in X-men.No, we don't have extraordinary powers as such but, Truthfully we should not become hateful unto one another..This is just my feeling..