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Sorry for the expletives (I don't wanna censor myself at this point, and hope I won't get banned for this), but this is totally f**** BS. 'Nuff said.


Hey, I've said worse than that, although if it's too explicit they might delete the thread without notification... the mods have been doing that a lot lately, I'm not sure why.


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It reads: "It is well-documented that there is a genetic precursor for many mental disorders. You don't want your kids to have the same problems you have, do you? Make sure you adopt, rather than making kids yourself. Predisposing children to mental disorders is just cruel."

I agree with this. I also strongly believe that it is wrong for mentally disordered people to adopt children. A child needs mentally healthy parents in order to grow up with a healthy happy lifestyle.

As a long-term depressive socially-anxious avoident aspie, I would never spread my defective genes.



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01 Aug 2009, 8:17 pm

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It reads: A child needs mentally healthy parents in order to grow up with a healthy happy lifestyle.

As a long-term depressive socially-anxious avoident aspie, I would never spread my defective genes.


My daughter is bipolar and has a child who is well cared for. When she knows she is entering a difficult phase, she comes to stay with me, an Autistic. I am mentally healthy. In fact, a few professionals have commented on my resilience and balanced attitude to life to have got through the things I have experienced with little medical intervention. With appropriate supports, most people can parent. The problem today is that of nuclear families where the onus of good parenting falls on one or two people rather than on a wider family network.



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02 Aug 2009, 10:15 am

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I am mentally healthy. In fact, a few professionals have commented on my resilience and balanced attitude to life to have got through the things I have experienced with little medical intervention.


But can you say that for everyone with Autism? Having some professionals commenting on your "resilience and balanced attitude to life" suggests that these good traits are out of the ordinary.



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02 Aug 2009, 9:44 pm

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I am mentally healthy. In fact, a few professionals have commented on my resilience and balanced attitude to life to have got through the things I have experienced with little medical intervention.


But can you say that for everyone with Autism? Having some professionals commenting on your "resilience and balanced attitude to life" suggests that these good traits are out of the ordinary.


Surn, make the choice for yourself to not reproduce. Don't make the choice for others.

Thankfully, you are not in charge.


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02 Aug 2009, 10:38 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
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I am mentally healthy. In fact, a few professionals have commented on my resilience and balanced attitude to life to have got through the things I have experienced with little medical intervention.


But can you say that for everyone with Autism? Having some professionals commenting on your "resilience and balanced attitude to life" suggests that these good traits are out of the ordinary.


Surn, make the choice for yourself to not reproduce. Don't make the choice for others.

Thankfully, you are not in charge.


Sorry, I didn't realize that my comment was asserting a "choice for others".



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02 Aug 2009, 11:32 pm

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I am mentally healthy. In fact, a few professionals have commented on my resilience and balanced attitude to life to have got through the things I have experienced with little medical intervention.


But can you say that for everyone with Autism? Having some professionals commenting on your "resilience and balanced attitude to life" suggests that these good traits are out of the ordinary.


Surn, make the choice for yourself to not reproduce. Don't make the choice for others.

Thankfully, you are not in charge.


Sorry, I didn't realize that my comment was asserting a "choice for others".


sorry, I didn't realize the residue of having my child removed from my custody at birth and never being able to bear a child to term since has colored my opinion of your comments.


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02 Aug 2009, 11:49 pm

that writer needs to be [edited for content by sinsboldly]and soon.

if she were ever to come into power we could have a female Hitler on our hands promising to cleanse the race by castrating those she perceives as genetically inferior. just like Hitler did. only he used gas chambers. Joking. Not saying she would. But her ignorant statement strongly reminds me of the nazi regime for some reason.


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03 Aug 2009, 2:03 am

sinsboldly wrote:
Surn wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
Surn wrote:
auntyjack wrote:
I am mentally healthy. In fact, a few professionals have commented on my resilience and balanced attitude to life to have got through the things I have experienced with little medical intervention.


But can you say that for everyone with Autism? Having some professionals commenting on your "resilience and balanced attitude to life" suggests that these good traits are out of the ordinary.


Surn, make the choice for yourself to not reproduce. Don't make the choice for others.

Thankfully, you are not in charge.


Sorry, I didn't realize that my comment was asserting a "choice for others".


sorry, I didn't realize the residue of having my child removed from my custody at birth and never being able to bear a child to term since has colored my opinion of your comments.


Why did they take custody away from you? Personally, autism on behalf of the parents is no reason in itself to warrant custody removal. I can understand if the autistic parent was mentally incapable, but there has to be clear parameters as to what constitutes one mentally capable of parenting or not (and believe me when I say the current laws are very fuzzy). Personally, I think if you can moderate a website with the efficency you do, then you can raise a child. Depending on how long it's been you should seriously consider legal action.

Personally I despise Child Protection Services because they, like all goverment agencies, take action without fully considering the situation at times. I've heard of people who could and were being perfectly decent parents until CPS got hold of them, and I've heard of people who would abuse/neglect their children, sometimes daily, and CPS never did anything. A lot of the people that CPS targets are people who are perfect parents but have "mental deficiencies". If I ever had a child and CPS tried to pull this s**t on me, I would give the child to my wife, tell her to run and hide somewhere, and rush into them with both guns blazing.


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03 Aug 2009, 2:44 am

Surn wrote:
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I am mentally healthy. In fact, a few professionals have commented on my resilience and balanced attitude to life to have got through the things I have experienced with little medical intervention.


But can you say that for everyone with Autism? Having some professionals commenting on your "resilience and balanced attitude to life" suggests that these good traits are out of the ordinary.


People tend to assume that mental health problems are a part of autism. I refute that. I think that for many Autistics, mental health problems are a result of sustained and severe mental violence against individuals who do not fit the mould societies determine to be "normal".



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03 Aug 2009, 3:28 am

Deborah being an as*hole aside, I've chosen not to have kids. Them getting Autism as well is just an extra argument in my case. People really should weigh the good and the bad. Even if I wanted to have kids, I feel it would be irresponsible of me.



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03 Aug 2009, 8:26 am

Roxas_XIII wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
Surn wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
Surn wrote:
auntyjack wrote:
I am mentally healthy. In fact, a few professionals have commented on my resilience and balanced attitude to life to have got through the things I have experienced with little medical intervention.


But can you say that for everyone with Autism? Having some professionals commenting on your "resilience and balanced attitude to life" suggests that these good traits are out of the ordinary.


Surn, make the choice for yourself to not reproduce. Don't make the choice for others.

Thankfully, you are not in charge.


Sorry, I didn't realize that my comment was asserting a "choice for others".


sorry, I didn't realize the residue of having my child removed from my custody at birth and never being able to bear a child to term since has colored my opinion of your comments.


Why did they take custody away from you? Personally, autism on behalf of the parents is no reason in itself to warrant custody removal. I can understand if the autistic parent was mentally incapable, but there has to be clear parameters as to what constitutes one mentally capable of parenting or not (and believe me when I say the current laws are very fuzzy). Personally, I think if you can moderate a website with the efficency you do, then you can raise a child. Depending on how long it's been you should seriously consider legal action.

Personally I despise Child Protection Services because they, like all goverment agencies, take action without fully considering the situation at times. I've heard of people who could and were being perfectly decent parents until CPS got hold of them, and I've heard of people who would abuse/neglect their children, sometimes daily, and CPS never did anything. A lot of the people that CPS targets are people who are perfect parents but have "mental deficiencies". If I ever had a child and CPS tried to pull this sh** on me, I would give the child to my wife, tell her to run and hide somewhere, and rush into them with both guns blazing.


My mental condition was not evaluated, nor was it a factor. I was "pregnant without benefit of clergy" which made me a 'wayward' girl having an 'illegitimate' child. It didn't matter that I couldn't fight off the date that raped me, that wasn't a factor back then, either. Good girls didn't (period) and that was all the birth control anyone needed in 1960's Kansas. I had no 'visible means of support', my family had thrown me out when they found out I was pregnant and cut off all communication. I had hitchhiked to California while pregnant, but CPS took my daughter at birth because I was couch surfing all the time I was pregnant with her, living off of government food surplus commodities and I had 'no visible means of support.' When I showed up at the charity hospital in labor I had to sign away my child to CPS or be refused treatment. Two days after she was born I was wheeled out to the bus stop and the nurses aid loaned me the 35 cents bus fare, and that, was that.

This was in 1969, I watched the moon landing while hurling from morning sickness (I remember it distinctly) and the world and attitudes were a very different place from now. I have looked for my daughter from that time to this, before the internet and online ever after, but never even a hint of a trace of her. She would be forty this year in December. I have never been able to carry a child to full term since that time, and have no idea what they might have done to me in that hospital.

People wonder why I crusade so aggressively for women's and rights for those in poverty. Perhaps their lives have been less affected than mine. My only consolation is I struggled through so others would not have the same experiences that I had.


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03 Aug 2009, 10:14 am

Sad story Sins. =(

And meh, like i said elsewhere or earlier in this thread (i don't check back, tbh -.-) unless my AS mutates onto my DNA, i should be able to reproduce and not pass it on, seeing as my AS is environmentally caused. ~­.~ Knowledge of genetics ftw ^^b



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03 Aug 2009, 2:26 pm

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Sad story Sins. =(

And meh, like i said elsewhere or earlier in this thread (i don't check back, tbh -.-) unless my AS mutates onto my DNA, i should be able to reproduce and not pass it on, seeing as my AS is environmentally caused. ~­.~ Knowledge of genetics ftw ^^b


wow, I had no idea they could tell how AS was caused! And to differenciate between genetic and environmentally caused, too! Did they tell this with a blood test for genetics, or an mri to check out the absense of a Sylvian fissure? I am fascinated, because when I was diagnosed, they told me there wasn't any other type of way of diagnosing it but with psychological tests and stuff, and it was only last year.


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03 Aug 2009, 2:53 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
Roxas_XIII wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
Surn wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
Surn wrote:
auntyjack wrote:
I am mentally healthy. In fact, a few professionals have commented on my resilience and balanced attitude to life to have got through the things I have experienced with little medical intervention.


But can you say that for everyone with Autism? Having some professionals commenting on your "resilience and balanced attitude to life" suggests that these good traits are out of the ordinary.


Surn, make the choice for yourself to not reproduce. Don't make the choice for others.

Thankfully, you are not in charge.


Sorry, I didn't realize that my comment was asserting a "choice for others".


sorry, I didn't realize the residue of having my child removed from my custody at birth and never being able to bear a child to term since has colored my opinion of your comments.


Why did they take custody away from you? Personally, autism on behalf of the parents is no reason in itself to warrant custody removal. I can understand if the autistic parent was mentally incapable, but there has to be clear parameters as to what constitutes one mentally capable of parenting or not (and believe me when I say the current laws are very fuzzy). Personally, I think if you can moderate a website with the efficency you do, then you can raise a child. Depending on how long it's been you should seriously consider legal action.

Personally I despise Child Protection Services because they, like all goverment agencies, take action without fully considering the situation at times. I've heard of people who could and were being perfectly decent parents until CPS got hold of them, and I've heard of people who would abuse/neglect their children, sometimes daily, and CPS never did anything. A lot of the people that CPS targets are people who are perfect parents but have "mental deficiencies". If I ever had a child and CPS tried to pull this sh** on me, I would give the child to my wife, tell her to run and hide somewhere, and rush into them with both guns blazing.


My mental condition was not evaluated, nor was it a factor. I was "pregnant without benefit of clergy" which made me a 'wayward' girl having an 'illegitimate' child. It didn't matter that I couldn't fight off the date that raped me, that wasn't a factor back then, either. Good girls didn't (period) and that was all the birth control anyone needed in 1960's Kansas. I had no 'visible means of support', my family had thrown me out when they found out I was pregnant and cut off all communication. I had hitchhiked to California while pregnant, but CPS took my daughter at birth because I was couch surfing all the time I was pregnant with her, living off of government food surplus commodities and I had 'no visible means of support.' When I showed up at the charity hospital in labor I had to sign away my child to CPS or be refused treatment. Two days after she was born I was wheeled out to the bus stop and the nurses aid loaned me the 35 cents bus fare, and that, was that.

This was in 1969, I watched the moon landing while hurling from morning sickness (I remember it distinctly) and the world and attitudes were a very different place from now. I have looked for my daughter from that time to this, before the internet and online ever after, but never even a hint of a trace of her. She would be forty this year in December. I have never been able to carry a child to full term since that time, and have no idea what they might have done to me in that hospital.

People wonder why I crusade so aggressively for women's and rights for those in poverty. Perhaps their lives have been less affected than mine. My only consolation is I struggled through so others would not have the same experiences that I had.


Wow. I'm sorry that happened to you, that's not a good thing to happen to anyone. Sorry I brought it up, I'm sure it's still painful to talk about...


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03 Aug 2009, 2:54 pm

AS...the whirled Spins


I am no expert in such matters by far, only experienced.

My diagnosis took quite some time, and a bit of an individual case study, no Stamp.

There where no MRI's, blood samples, tissue samples, and was not required to pee in a jar.

A pertinent point properly placed per previous poster perhaps preconceiving a passion in people.

From what I understand, people don't win Nobel Prizes for using wheels, only for reinventing them.