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30 Jan 2010, 6:21 pm

There is a huge stigma asscoaited with autism and AS and she is slowy helping to get rid of it. She's not saying everyone with autism is the next Enstine but she believes in encoraging the things they can do instead of obsession on what they can't. She is still a hypocryte when she says she loves cattle but then maybe she loves them on a plate.


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30 Jan 2010, 7:57 pm

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There is a huge stigma asscoaited with autism and AS and she is slowy helping to get rid of it. She's not saying everyone with autism is the next Enstine but she believes in encoraging the things they can do instead of obsession on what they can't. She is still a hypocryte when she says she loves cattle but then maybe she loves them on a plate.


Or perhaps her definition of love is different than yours; it doesn't invalidate how she feels because it doesn't match your own. I agree that she has done much to remove stigma and stereotype on the spectrum, and shows what being comfortable with yourself can do.


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30 Jan 2010, 8:22 pm

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Well, to return to the original question... I personally don't like Temple Grandin. I can't understand how someone who empathises as much as she clearly does with animals could dedicate her life to streamlining their slaughter. It just doesn't compute. I'm sure that she has reasons that are logical to her, but personally, I think it's horrible.

I may be the first person to have brought that up! Sorry if I offend anyone with my opinion.


The same reason farmers who lovingly bring up their animals from birth do, I guess.



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30 Jan 2010, 8:24 pm

Okay, I have to say this I hate the *idea* of slaughtering animals to feed people. Yep I do. Won't catch me NEAR a slaughterhouse.

However, I eat meat. I like to eat meat. I just like that convenient disconnect between the actual animal killed to give me the meat and the package it comes in at the store.

I love animals. I have 10 cats and 3 dogs. Of course, we don't eat our cats and dogs so I guess it's not the same.. but I love horses and cows and chickens and roosters and turkeys too! I love animals.

I also love eating them. So ... someone is going to have to do the slaughtering and I can see where someone who loves animals and yet knows these animals are going to be slaughtered regardless of vegan efforts does something to make it a more humane process instead or until the vegans take over. Because she loves those animals and doesn't think it right that the way before was that the cows knew what was coming and would be terrified.

It's like giving dogs a needle to "go to sleep" instead of shooting them in the head when they're sick and in pain.



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30 Jan 2010, 8:28 pm

What I mean is that if Temple Grandin truely loves cows the way she says she does, she would be trying to convert everyone to veganism IN ADDITION to desigining slaughter houses.


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30 Jan 2010, 8:54 pm

Ah yes, there is that.

But what if she's like me? Loves animals and loves to eat them? :)



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30 Jan 2010, 9:12 pm

She makes a statement in Animals in Translation about this but I don't have it available because it was a library book. She said she eats meat I believe because of low blood sugar. Maybe someone has the book and can find the comment.


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30 Jan 2010, 9:27 pm

You might be correct in your memory. My mom needs proteins provided by meat that you can't get from other protein sources because of her diabetes.

So, if Temple is diabetic or hypoglycemic, she may indeed need to eat meat for health reasons.



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30 Jan 2010, 9:38 pm

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You might be correct in your memory. My mom needs proteins provided by meat that you can't get from other protein sources because of her diabetes.

So, if Temple is diabetic or hypoglycemic, she may indeed need to eat meat for health reasons.


I have the symptoms of reactive hypoglycemia and it feels really scary. My blood sugar can drop very suddenly and I feel faint,confused, my hands shake etc.etc. High protein keeps it stabilized.


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30 Jan 2010, 9:48 pm

Same here...

I once was falling asleep and couldn't stay awake ... i asked my then 3 year old son to call my mom (who thankfully lived 2 houses down from us at the time) he speed dialed her and got her to come over. How a non-verbal child managed it, I do not know because I was passed out by then.

My mom said my son clearly said to her "Come. Help. Mom. Needs. Help. Please.Nana.Help.Mom" and then hung up. Amazing to me to this day.

She came and took my blood sugar level... 35. and while waiting for the ambulance she took it again... 15.

I hadn't eaten in two days because I forgot to eat.



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30 Jan 2010, 9:50 pm

Than she needs to find some other way to treat it or perpetualy be veiwed by me as a hypocryte. There are "animal lovers" who aren't vegetatian but then they are usualy only "animal lovers" to "cute" animals such as dogs or rabbits and they don't go about preaching how much they love them. So yes, she is a hypocryte not just about cows but also about autism. If she's so proud of being autistic, why isn't she on the anti cure bandwagon like most of us?

Unless Temple Grandin quits stating how much she loves cows or promotes veganism, she is always going to be seen as a hypocryte by me.


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30 Jan 2010, 9:59 pm

PunkyKat wrote:
Than she needs to find some other way to treat it or perpetualy be seen by me as a hypocryte.


heh makes a person ask "Would Temple care what any *one* of us thought about her?"

I think we all have the potential to be hypocrites though. We're human and I have found humans are the most illogical bunch of people I've ever met :)~



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30 Jan 2010, 10:00 pm

Somehow, I think she will be able to continue onward despite your opinions on her lifestyle. To insist that others live to meet your expectations is more often than not be met with disappointment.


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31 Jan 2010, 7:20 am

PunkyKat wrote:
What I mean is that if Temple Grandin truely loves cows the way she says she does, she would be trying to convert everyone to veganism IN ADDITION to desigining slaughter houses.


Only if she also hates people. "Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live".


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09 Feb 2010, 10:42 am

For all of you who were discussing the concept of the "subconscious" and self awareness:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscious_mind
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_psychology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.G._Jung

I study depth psychology and have read several volumes of the collected works of C.G. Jung. In my opinion, i don't see how anyone could deny the existence of an unconscious mind. Where do you think dreams come from? Autistic people dream don't they? Scientists can measure brain wave activity while someone is sleeping and there for "not conscious". There is activity in parts of the brain not related to controlling bodily function even while someone is sleeping or in a state of coma. This would be the "unconscious".

Not trying to offend anyone. Just my 2 cents.

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09 Feb 2010, 12:45 pm

^ That's why I thought she might be associating it with something else, but she has a PhD after all so it couldn't be that. I am lacking in some areas but I do have a subconscious and unconscious like anyone else.