Cyber ridicule of an autistic man... TODAY!

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What are you talking about? You say he can't understand it yet say he is asking for it. I am sorry but he hasn't asked for bullying. And you even admitt hat he doesn't know what he is doing so he can't even ask for it. So your argument is void, and you are wrong even by your own admission.

What was cowardly was saying that I misunderstood you, which I didn't. You're simply trying to assert speculation as the truth and using that as a justificiation for other people to bully him. That's cowardly.

Eurggh, nothing more than the assorted ramblings of a man who is completely unable to contemplate the mind of a person who has been raised badly or bullied, nevermind both. Of course he has the brain power, he's just been bullied, and he hasn't been given advice I suspect that's of any damn use, or has been provided by people who bullied him.

Again nothing like some more motivation speculation. You have no proof to say that he's an attention seeker who wants to be hurt. So why even suggest it? Because it helps to self-justify the bullying made against him.

Have you thought of advising him yourself then? Go on, I'm sure you'll have a very productive and fruitful conversation with him.

I'll sit here and look at this brick wall while you're doing it - same difference.

Your intellectual intimidatory BS isn't working.

Intimidatory? Really?

You are the one calling what I am saying BS. I am just saying that bullying people is wrong and that saying that bullying is right because your pseudo-mind reading somehow makes it seem like he wants to be hurt is absurd, and craven.

Telling you the truth isn't intimidating. I am sure it must be embarassing when you can't justify it though, and shameful.

And why the hell do you keep trying to implicitly fail to equate accepting that someone must be bullied because they want it with having anything to do with giving him advice. I doubt rushing up to him out of nowhere is going to help. Quit living in a black and white world already.

Bullies and bullying happens, that is a statement of reality, not a statement of what is morally right or wrong; learning not to put oneself in a situation where one may be impacted by one, is something that people have some control over.

If Chris Chan is being taken advantage of the only answer would be to try to help him avoid the situation in the future. Telling the Bullies they are wrong, in this situation, is not going to significantly change anything for him on the anonymous internet.

If he is refusing help and/or no one is interceding, his reality is not likely one that is going to change.

Wait, so let me get this straight? He posted all those videos online because his "girlfriends" told him to do it so they can see it? Or did they post them online for the whole world to see thinking it was him that posted them?

Then after that, the bullying started for what he does online?

What are you even talking about? Saying what is right and wrong is always something that needs to be pointed out. The point is to say that the people who said Christian Chandler is asking for bullying are wrong.

I don't need you to start saying I should do something else, because for the most part I choose what I am going to do, not some random online megalomaniacs. Furthermore saying that something is wrong and doing an outreach are two different things, to try to meld them so you can ask me to do something that I didn't say I would do.

So, did I do good?

Wrong comment you replied to.

This is the quote I was asking about.

No the other people in this discussion that are disagreeing with your opinion are not necessarily wrong; a minority of individuals do seek negative attention through negative actions. Sometimes the negative attention they receive is bullying.

This is not a black and white issue. Bullying is negative attention. And seeking negative attention is wanting or asking for negative attention which could range from a frown, to ridicule, to bullying, to a place in jail now, that which may finally be the negative attention for Chris Chan that motivates him to change his behavior in the future.

From the history of Chris Chan, it is a reasonable opinion that he is seeking negative attention, not necessarily a wrong one or a right one, but just an understanding of the reality that some people do seek this kind of negative attention, and he may be one of them.

This doesn't make the bullying morally correct, but the potential that Chris Chan is seeking this negative attention, would explain in part explain why he continues to be the subject of ridicule and bullying.

I'm not telling you what to do. When someone disagrees with your opinion it doesn't mean they are telling you what to do or you have to change your opinion.

And it can be received as a bit offensive to tell people they are wrong or a megalomaniac, when they disagree with another's opinion in a civil discussion or debate.

It's a more civil method of discussion to provide facts and examples to back up one's opionion and let the facts speak for themselves, rather than placing a personal judgement of wrong or any other adjective on the individual, because one disagrees with another individual's opinion.

Most of the time when discussing opposing opinions there are points of merit and demerit in both opinions, rarely is an intelligent person entirely wrong or right in their opinion.

I am disagreeing with your opinion that everyone who suggests in this thread that he is asking for the bullying are necessarily wrong in their opinion, and providing simple reasons why they are expressing a reasonable opinion, considering the history of this individual, and the potential that he may be seeking negative attention.

My personal opinion is he could be asking for the bullying, if he is seeking negative attention, and from what I can see it clearly appears that he has been highly motivated to continue his negative behavior for sometime now, which, unfortuantely now has landed him a place in jail.

Well I don't know how it means you were doing good unless you decided to accept that this guy never asked for bullying. Ridcule yes, but not stalking/bullying.

Because there is a potential for people to want negative attention you try to use this as anargument for chris wanting negative attention is the inference you are making.
I could easily say that since some people want sex changes Abraham Lincoln is actually a pre-op transsexual. Of course that's a load of garbage, but when you are trying to argue such a thing in the right social climate you can slide it in and it somehow sounds like you're proving something.

No there isn't.

No it doesn't.

I said that a person who tries to come to intrusive conclusions about me without definitive and actual evidence is a megalomaniac.

one doesn't need to be intelligent to be right. At the same time bullying isn't justified, full stop.

No, you're not providing reasons. You keep talking about how bullying is wrong but say that these people are justified in allowing or even liking bullying of him because they say he is asking for it and then you say that you provide reasons why he is asking for it, but you simply say that there are reasons. Saying that there are reasons is not a reason. That's reporting a reason. Ergo you haven't provided any.

Of course. It couldn't be because he is simply socially incompetent and the only advice he has been given is by psychopathic stalker trolls or people who find the activities of such people funny.

Sociopaths are considered 1 to 3 percent of the population, some have suggested that both honest Abe and Chris Chan are sociopaths, I'm in no position to diagnose the condition but I am in no position to prove another person wrong that suggests that it is true either. All I could do is offer an opposing opinion based on available evidence.

You can disagree all day long that Chris Chan is not asking for bullying by seeking negative attention, through unacceptable behaviors, and receiving it by being bullied; unless you can provide a psychologist/psychiatrist report that states it's not a problem that he has, you can't prove that anyone else is wrong for holding an opposing opinion.

On the other hand unless another individual becomes privy to a professional analysis of his mental condition, no one else can prove you as wrong for holding your opinion that he's not asking for bullying through seeking negative attention.

I'm certainly not suggesting it is a morally correct thing for someone to bully anyone, or that he deserves the bullying, but it doesn't change the reality that some people seek negative attention through their behaviors, the response they receive is bullying, and there is the potential that this could be the case, in this situation, with Chris Chan.

It is pretty obvious to me that Chris Chan has extremely serious issues, I feel sorry for him as a human being and wish him no harm; by the grace of what may be any of us could find ourselves in his same shoes.

Ever have an Aquarium? There are fish in the aquarium that falter and are destroyed, by other fish if given ample opportunity. It's a reality of nature, that I don't like, but it is the one we live in. The best we can do is help others that falter, to the dismay of others that would enjoy seeing them fail.

What intrusive conclusion has anyone made about you here that can be quoted that is evidence someone is a megalomaniac? Unless you can provide evidence of it, there is no proof that it has happened. Concluding something about another person, has nothing specifically to do with the definition of megalomaniac, so I'm not sure what the basis of your premise is to suggest something like that.

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Do you remember, I messaged him suggesting computer animation? That's outreach.

It's a random suggestion, but yeah. Hmn, to be honest what should happen is that you not say he's asking for it. It's the best I can do really.