Am I the only person who wants to be cured?
I often get sick of the whole AS pride thing too but what other choice is there then to try to turn your lemons into some lemonade? I just think trying to be something your not is a good way to be depressed and you don't have to have AS to get stuck in that trap, but you knew that already.
I'll add more to this, I too wanted to be "cured" of Aspergers when I was in my teens as I felt I had no purpose or hope but one day I said "F**k it, I'm different, I need to grow up and deal with it and it's my responsibility to make the best of it" and since then I have and life has been a lot better since I adopted this mentality...
Would I accept a "cure" now? I'd probably lean towards no to be honest because having AS is a part of who I am, I was born the way I am for a reason and I don't think it's my right to play with nature by accepting a "cure" though I truly empathize with those who want a "cure"
Another thing we still don't really know what causes ASD and how can we "cure" something when we don't even know the cause of it??
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I don't really see any reason to change who I am and I can't imagine being anyone else. I don't want to be. My friends and my family like me for who I am, and changing that to be more 'socially acceptable' would only gain me false friends. I've had plenty of ups and downs in my life, but overall I'm glad to be me. I like me.
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I don't understand a lot of you guys' posts ... maybe your form of AS doesn't cause intense loneliness like it does in me? Because I can't connect with anyone, I become sad that I have no friends ... and then I get depressed. THAT'S painful and I hate it. Plus, it hasn't changed with all the passing years ... I'm 58 now.
I definitely want to keep the benefits of AS, i really love those.
What are they? I only seem to get downsides. Some people think my "creativity" is caused by my ASD, but I know that's a load of crap because I got my creativity from my mom who is NT. I got my ASD from my dad who isn't as creative as my mom.
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Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 82 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 124 of 200
You are very likely neurotypical
I like rapidroy's attitude. What we have done has been instrumental in making us what we are.
Anyway, what makes you think being an NT would be a bed of roses.
Cheers
I definitely want to keep the benefits of AS, i really love those.
What are they? I only seem to get downsides. Some people think my "creativity" is caused by my ASD, but I know that's a load of crap because I got my creativity from my mom who is NT. I got my ASD from my dad who isn't as creative as my mom.
High level of focus, higher IQ(likely due to the aforementioned focus), have you ever tried singing? a lot of us have perfect pitch(not sure if I do since I don't sing). I'm leaving out the benefits that could be interpreted as flaws.
Personally I feel no need for a cure as I have learned how to pass for neurotypical in public for the most part(I've considered even going as far as using these skills for acting). I'm of the variety who believes this to simply be a mutation, a natural evolutionary step, one that humanity as a whole has been and will continue to benefit from. To be quite frank, given the ill natured behavior that seems to be more prevalent in NTs than in ourselves, especially when mob mentality becomes a factor, I see little to envy in them. Spock>Kirk
I'm kind of new to the whole forum concept as a whole, so I couldn't quite figure out how to do quotes, but earlier you said:
"I still don't believe there is any NTs that accept people with AS. NTs my age that know I have AS treat me like I'm younger than them. The only time I get treated like an equal is when I can pass as normal."
Speaking as an NT, there are definitely NTs that accept people with AS. Are we few? Yes. Are you likely to meet us? Not easily. But we exist. My sister, my friends with AS, I don't think of them as anything less than equal. Well, I view my little sister as having a lot to learn, but that's the big sister in me, and she's got a lot to teach me, too. (And yes, I do mother her, but that has more to do with my parents being divorced and not having two fully present parents in the picture.) And I think that there are also increasingly more and more of us as understanding increases.
I think - but don't quote me on this - that someone earlier said that family members are more accepting of people with AS. I don't know how much I believe that...it probably played a role in me, but that said, plenty of my own family members aren't terribly accepting of my sister. But you don't have to be related with someone with AS to be NT and accepting. My roommate is super accepting of my sister, despite the fact that my sister doesn't act NT and, in fact, one of the first sentences out of her mouth when she meets people is that she has autism (and, before you say my roommate's accepting just because she's my sister, my roommate was also super accepting of another girl with some strong AS traits, albeit no diagnosis). Another friend with AS has been accepted by our class, even though he doesn't act particularly NT.
I think a lot of it has to do with the time in your life. I don't know how old you are, but one of the things I've noticed is that during middle and high school it's all about fitting in. And those years, for those of us who might not fit in, can be absolutely terrible. Note how I said us here - the title neuroTYPICAL might be a bit of a misnomer, because I am anything but typical. Back then, and now that I'm in college, the first word that people consistently use to describe me is weird. So, although I don't have the specific problems you mentioned, no AS doesn't necessarily mean no weirdness/trouble fitting in, as I can attest to. That said, for both my sister and I, college has been amazing. People are way more accepting. My sister and I (again, one NT one Aspie) both got our first close friends in life when we came to college. Not everyone has this experience, but I am saying that things can get better for some people because others in college have been much more accepting of people who stand out rather than blend in, at least where we are.
Also, another thing is the concept of emerging adulthood. This doesn't apply to friends that might treat you like a child (trust me, I know the people you're talking about, and they drive me nuts, too), but if adults treat you like a child, this may have something to do with it. Basically, it used to be really easy to determine who was an adult - they got a job, got married, and had kids, generally right after high school, all really quickly. But now, we're stretching that out, in favor of getting married and having kids later, and getting higher education (university). So, despite the fact that I'm in my 20s and my sister's not far behind, since neither of us has done any of those things listed, when we're at family gatherings my sister and I both get treated like children and relegated to the kiddie table.
Just my thoughts. You're welcome to want a cure, naturally - but I didn't want you to think that no one NT would like you if you acted AS. We may be few, but we do exist, and we'll like you whether you act AS or NT. If NTs are treating you like a kid, that's their fault, not yours, and they're missing out.
Good luck with everything!
"I still don't believe there is any NTs that accept people with AS. NTs my age that know I have AS treat me like I'm younger than them. The only time I get treated like an equal is when I can pass as normal."
Speaking as an NT, there are definitely NTs that accept people with AS. Are we few? Yes. Are you likely to meet us? Not easily. But we exist. My sister, my friends with AS, I don't think of them as anything less than equal. Well, I view my little sister as having a lot to learn, but that's the big sister in me, and she's got a lot to teach me, too. (And yes, I do mother her, but that has more to do with my parents being divorced and not having two fully present parents in the picture.) And I think that there are also increasingly more and more of us as understanding increases.
I think - but don't quote me on this - that someone earlier said that family members are more accepting of people with AS. I don't know how much I believe that...it probably played a role in me, but that said, plenty of my own family members aren't terribly accepting of my sister. But you don't have to be related with someone with AS to be NT and accepting. My roommate is super accepting of my sister, despite the fact that my sister doesn't act NT and, in fact, one of the first sentences out of her mouth when she meets people is that she has autism (and, before you say my roommate's accepting just because she's my sister, my roommate was also super accepting of another girl with some strong AS traits, albeit no diagnosis). Another friend with AS has been accepted by our class, even though he doesn't act particularly NT.
I think a lot of it has to do with the time in your life. I don't know how old you are, but one of the things I've noticed is that during middle and high school it's all about fitting in. And those years, for those of us who might not fit in, can be absolutely terrible. Note how I said us here - the title neuroTYPICAL might be a bit of a misnomer, because I am anything but typical. Back then, and now that I'm in college, the first word that people consistently use to describe me is weird. So, although I don't have the specific problems you mentioned, no AS doesn't necessarily mean no weirdness/trouble fitting in, as I can attest to. That said, for both my sister and I, college has been amazing. People are way more accepting. My sister and I (again, one NT one Aspie) both got our first close friends in life when we came to college. Not everyone has this experience, but I am saying that things can get better for some people because others in college have been much more accepting of people who stand out rather than blend in, at least where we are.
Also, another thing is the concept of emerging adulthood. This doesn't apply to friends that might treat you like a child (trust me, I know the people you're talking about, and they drive me nuts, too), but if adults treat you like a child, this may have something to do with it. Basically, it used to be really easy to determine who was an adult - they got a job, got married, and had kids, generally right after high school, all really quickly. But now, we're stretching that out, in favor of getting married and having kids later, and getting higher education (university). So, despite the fact that I'm in my 20s and my sister's not far behind, since neither of us has done any of those things listed, when we're at family gatherings my sister and I both get treated like children and relegated to the kiddie table.
Just my thoughts. You're welcome to want a cure, naturally - but I didn't want you to think that no one NT would like you if you acted AS. We may be few, but we do exist, and we'll like you whether you act AS or NT. If NTs are treating you like a kid, that's their fault, not yours, and they're missing out.
Good luck with everything!
I'm sixteen right now. I highly doubt I'll be able to go to college because I just don't have the drive. I can barely get assignments handed in right now. I just don't fit in ANYWHERE. I don't fit in with the normals, alternatives or even the nerds/geeks. Sometimes this makes me think about suicide. I bet I would fit into at least one group if I was NT.
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Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 82 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 124 of 200
You are very likely neurotypical
DevilKisses, thinking back to the AS/music thread, when I was your age I attended like 3-4 3 day folk fests(meny with camping) and about 8-10 concerts a year, all cheap local indie events, I met meny people that I kept in relitive contact with for awhile in that group and a few of the artists got to know me by name. That was the odd eccentric group I fit into and the experence really helped me fight off the depression I got from daily life. perhaps you can do something simular. Maybe learn an insterment if you haven't yet so you can join in the song circles at night. You have interests, although maybe rare you can't be the only one with them.
Okay, I tried to reply to this way back in April, but apparently I did something wrong because it never showed up. Oops.
I promise you, neither my sister nor I fit in anywhere in high school (again, one NT one Aspie). I actually went to a high school just for smart people (seriously, you had to test in) which you would think would be heaven for people who are nerds or might be a bit different (AKA me). Not the case. We still had all the cliques, only there were just 60 people to make up those cliques, and I didn't fit in a single one of them. I ate lunch with the same group of people for years, and not a single one of them would be friends with me or even remotely liked me. (I was frequently met with the silent treatment when I dared speak...) I had one friend early on, but due to my own foolishness, I lost her and spent my remaining high school experience friendless. Just talking about friends was enough to make me break down in tears back in high school. Those were the worst three and a half years of my life (first semester of freshman year wasn't bad, but from then on out it was terrible). But things got a million times better after high school, and now I have one best friend and many more friendly people. I'm sure the same thing would have happened to me even if I didn't go to college and got a job. High school can be a terrible, toxic environment, and freedom from it has been wonderful for me and my sister (who now has one best friend and a whole bunch of other friends, too - way more than me!).
High school sucks, but that doesn't mean that your whole life will suck. If you're sixteen, that means you've probably got two years left to deal with and I'm sure that feels like an eternity, but you've got decades after that to live for.
Good luck! If you ever want to talk, message me - I'd be happy to be your online friend.
Well regardless there is no cure. However I have improved myself significantly buy using my overly analytic mind to be aware of my social interactions. I have personally "taught" myself how to adapt to social situations. I still don't care for them but I can tolerate and even thrive in them now, unlike when I was wallowing in my own AS-ness. This the only way to "get better" and you can only get as better as you want to be and perceive. It might suck getting out of your comfort zone but you could surprise yourself.
You can shut yourself off from other people and make absolutely no effort to meet the world half way and that's fine. However if you want friends, a lover, etc then you're going to have to do some growing on your part. It is grossly unfair to think that just because you are different that everyone else should cater to you completely. That is no way to try to form any kind of relationship with another person.
Also, there really isn't anything to "cure". You are you. They are them. If you want to interact with them you need to speak their "language". It is no different for NT-NT relationships.
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My neurotypical score: 110 of 200
Too weird to be normal, too normal to be weird?
How do you save the world when the world doesn't want to be saved?
I don't want to be cured. I find the idea offensive -I feel like I and my friends on the spectrum have worked so hard to meet the NT world halfway and have been met with ignorance, bullying and abuse. To have that same world turn around and offer me a cure -like 'oh, we can love and accept you now because you're just like us' -and I'm supposed to be honored? Grateful? Happy that they didn't bother to try, just shove some pills at you so you can be pretty and perfect and just like them? If that's the world they've advertised -a world that excludes people that just don't 'fit' -then I don't want a part of it. A world like that has nothing of value to teach me.
I won't give up who I am for a world that never gave a damn about me in the first place.
That being said, if someone else wants a cure for their own reasons then that's their choice and none of my business to criticize. My only hope is that they'd be doing it not to make anyone else happy but for themselves. People who can't accept you for all the things you can and can't do aren't worth it.
Only if it increased my brain's capabilities without them decreasing in any other area. I wouldn't want to give up my Aspie abilities, but pure upgrades are good. If the cure didn't damage my Aspie abilities at all then it technically wouldn't make me NT, it would make me something greater than that. That being said, I doubt there will be a cure in the near future. Neurological conditions are very difficult to cure. It would probably be a lot easier to cure types of cancer that are unrelated to the brain, and that hasn't been accomplished yet. Curing severe autism probably won't be practical until the 22nd century, but curing mild autism might be practical before then, if we're lucky.
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