The dark side of Aspergers: serial killers, sociopathy

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Last edited by frields on 23 Feb 2008, 10:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Hark. You missed my point.

Just as lots of peoples talk on and on and on about the genuius autistics being so cause of their autism, n being great examples of what all autistic people can do. SO THE SAME CAN BE SAID, HARK!, ABOUT THE SERIAL KILLER AUTISTICS! The serial killer, murderers, sociopaths have the exceptions too - many are speculated as autistics Aspergers, JUST LIKE, speculations about Einstein and the other genisus.

My point? Obvious isn't it.

Hark! I laugh at how you cant tollerate this threat. There's equal or more examples of autistic people who were murderers, serial killers, some the most monstroous killers in history, as there are examples of the few genisus autistics!

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None, but I don't think that they all have Aspergers.
I want to ssccrreeaamm!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! Why is the media so biased????? Just because a couple of serial killers have Aspergers, we're all doomed to a lifetime of people hating us!! !! !! !! !!

Quit doing that. It's not clever, it's annoying. Go make your weak point in one of the Einstein threads, but don't keep assuming that every one of us believes the same thing to the same extent about geniuses who might be autistic.

Besides, you refuse to aknowlege how much more harmfull of a stereotype this is. People already treat us bad enough as it is. I wouln't want people to overestimate my intelligence and expect me to be able to do things I'm not capable of. But I'd much rather that than have people think I'm a hatefull freak who's special hobby is torturing puppies and kittens and writing hit lists. And yes, to an extent I do care what some people think about me. People focus on the negative, and to alot of people this would confirm the false "no empathy" stereotype. To most people, the idea that Einstein was autistic is nothing more than an interesting bit of trivia. But saying every Dhamer or whoever was autistic (much much less likely, but you were only using them to make your point after all) and all of a sudden Aspies are having an even harder time being liked and trusted. Self esteem drops even lower. What exactly was the point of your point? Do you have so much of a problem with Aspies being proud of something that you have to look for something else to shame them with? It doesn't matter if neither are really true in your opinion. But they are not equal, one is harmless the other is not.

Likewise the following:

I want to ssccrreeaamm!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! Why is the media so biased????? Just because a couple of GENIUSES/EINSTEINS have Aspergers, we're all doomed to a lifetime of ..... US .... THINKING WE'RE ALL ADVANCED, GENIUSES, SMARTER THAN NORMAL PERSONS!! !! !! !! !!

Har!

EBEC 11, try not to let this person upset you too much...

I'm beginning to think that "frields" is a TROLL.... Don't let trolls upset you = "Don't feed the Trolls"... They enjoy using the internet to upset other people... I guess this one thinks an autistic support forum is a place to have some fun. All his posts try to make fun of our responses.. The serial killer article was probably just "bait". He seems to be all about antagonizing people here.. unless he wants to explain differently.. Why can't someone with Asperger's have a hero (Einstein) like other groups?

Oh, and what I was saying about wondering how many of the 60 serial killers were neurotypical.. is that I think alot of them really could be neurotypical..( but have alot of deep-seated emotional problems, etc..) or they could have other neuro problems besides Asperger's..':wink:'

Troll or not, I have similar views as his(her?).

There seems to be a bias inside certain autistic communities that all autistics are math wizards (geniuses of the highest order) and those who aren't clearly do not fit the autistic criteria. They've created a certain personality upon which all autistics must stand. If you don't, well you're NT for all they care, and your diagnosis was incorrect because you do not fit this ideal.

Am I always correct? No. Am I wrong? Maybe. Am I generalizing? You bet!

Yes. Bop!

If these worthless, incompetent humans really believe that our lacking mental abilities, and those superior traits we poses are likely to lead us all to become serial killers, why aren't they treating us with fear-driven respect? Why are they still picking on us?

Or, like typical monkeys with their sharp sticks, are they just going to keep poking at the snake until they are bitten?

I heard the same claims from the "professionals" at college who tried to "help" me. They all claimed paranoid schizophrenia was the root cause of all the school shootings. Hardly!

If you look at a majority of the cases, the teenage and early twenties shooters are usually coming off the anti-depressant meds, which in actuality make their depression symptoms worse. Furthremore, bullying, peer pressure, and the kind of crap schools didn't tolerate back in the day, which is widespread in today's world, all served as one blow after another.

Any sane NT with enough backbone would eventually realize, just as the school shooters did, that violence was the only way to stop these ret*d "peers" of theirs from pushing them around anymore. Bullies cannot be reasoned with. They can only be eliminated.

While the drugs and the withdrawal symptoms thereof just added fuel to the fire, claiming a person is sick for using force to deal with a neverending problem that cannot be resolved by any other means is insane.

As for serial killers which displayed symptoms of Asperger's, perhaps the symptoms were the results of another cause. Perhaps some who are NTs genuinely don't see other humans as their equals, and therefore, find it pathetic to even interact with them. Perhaps the symptoms of Asperger's and Autism are shared amongst genuinely intelligent NTs, who simply don't give a d***.

What did you score on these test?


Mine were
1)

Your Score: The Enabling One

You scored 54% Enabling, 32% Dependent, and 57% Stable!

2)

Personality Disorder Test Results

Paranoid |||||||||||||||| 66%
Schizoid |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Schizotypal |||||||||||| 50%
Antisocial |||||||||| 34%
Borderline |||||||||||| 42%
Histrionic |||| 14%
Narcissistic |||||| 30%
Avoidant |||||||||||| 42%
Dependent |||||||||||||| 58%
Obsessive-Compulsive |||||||||||||||||| 78%

Ahh, yes, schizoid.



I just wiki'd codependancy, and I'm still confused by it. I will strongly refute that I am an enabler. I cannot stand people being in the "wrong path" and cannot allow such to happen without voicing my opinion. After that, it is left to the person to do what he/she will. I am dependant on my family because I need their financial support. Being a full-time college student with little work experience and ignorant of the city-life I'd more than likely not be able to live on my own right now. Packing up and leaving would drive me to a panic attack.

Autistic/Asperger's disorder and OCD (the disorder, not the PD) here.

Paranoid || 10% 49%
Schizoid |||||||||||||||| 70% 53%
Schizotypal |||||||||||||||||||| 86% 53%
Antisocial || 10% 47%
Borderline |||||||||||| 50% 47%
Histrionic |||| 18% 43%
Narcissistic |||| 14% 41%
Avoidant || 10% 39%
Dependent |||||||||||| 46% 37%
Obsessive-Compulsive |||||||||||||||||| 74% 40%

Here's mine. I get more or less consistent results on such tests (very high schizotypal, high schizoid, moderately high borderline and obsessive-compulsive). Which is slightly strange because there are some sigificant traits of the sch-personalities which I have never exhibited.

On personality tests compiled according to the criteria used in Russia, I have a very high schizoid score (since the corresponding definition of schizoid personality is very broad and encompasses the whole bundle of sch-traits, as well as some autistic traits), a very high cyclothymia score, a high emotive score, quite a number of sensitive traits, a few hyperthymic traits, and almost no epileptoid, histrionic and antisocial traits.

The presence of both high schizoid scores and high cyclothymia scores are supposed to indicate a trait called "personality discordance", which is supposed to be a distinguishing schizoid feature, so the resulting type would be schizoid.

Um...I think there are more people with very high IQs on the mild side of the spectrum than there are serial killers.

Perhaps, but I don't think so. I agree with you that statements like "all aspies are geniuses" are silly. However, in cases where aspies become intellectuals, I think it is due to a mental compensation for social rejection.

Interesting. I scored: "23% Enabling, 12% Dependent, and 95% Stable!"



A previous designation for Asperger's was schizoid personality disorder of childhood. (I also had my highest score in schizoid.)