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14 Mar 2008, 12:05 pm

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"Asperger's" is not "a word" - it is the possessive, applied to a surname.


Criticizing his use of the "soft" "g" is one thing, but this is silly.

No. You quote me out of context. I was referring to the attempt at using the fact that it was now "a word" as justification for arbitrarily changing its pronunciation. This is why I placed the two words "a" and "word" in quotation marks. The transition from "Asperger's Syndrome" to "Asperger's" has nothing to do with pronunciation.

Ah that's what you meant :oops: Still, it is entirely possible for "Asperger's" to be derived as a new word.

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(What a strange statement, at the end - I was unaware that there were any recordings from ancient Rome.)

It isn't hard to infer that Latin didn't undergo the Great English Vowel Shift ;)

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I firmly believe there is, in this case, a clear difference between an accented pronunciation and a mispronunciation. The vowel sounds can in part be ascribed to accent, but there is only, so far as I have heard, one reason for the "p"/"b" consonant change: the childlike "humour" of distorting it into a word pair (which pair I steadfastly refuse to type, as I consider it demeaning). In the above, that "joke" is played down by a further, P.C. distortion, leaving only minor connection between the spelling and the pronunciation.


But if the last syllable is pronounced with a soft "g", then this interpretation falls apart (unless "burger" is pronounced with a soft g over there)


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14 Mar 2008, 3:35 pm

The kiwi pronounciation is NOT burger, as in the thing you would eat with a plate of chips. It is is bur-Jer, with a SOFT g, therefore there is nothing remotely close to that 'joke'. Again, if you had read what I wrote (which clearly you haven't), you'd have noticed that I have now said THREE TIMES we do not use the hard g; it is a SOFT g. Again, I hadn't heard it spoken with a hard g until I heard an American say it.

The word is adapted into English - it isn't thought of as something belonging to someone, it's just a word for a sub-group of autistics. Therefore it is said with NZ pronounciation and accent.

As another example, how do you pronounce husband? How do you say envelope?


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14 Mar 2008, 3:38 pm

Also, the 'as' part doesn't remotely resemble the word 'arse', either.

Combine that with primary emphasis on the middle syllable, secondary on the first syllable, and the third/last syllable unemphasised, I fail to see how you get the idea I say anything remotely resembling either someone's posterior, nor an American junk food.


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14 Mar 2008, 4:58 pm

And as usual, you avoid the question: why do you shift the "p" to a "b"?

I have never said that you pronounced the other parts of the word in any particular fashion; you seem to describe various ways. The consensus is that the "g" is hard.

When I have doubts about a correct pronunciation, I research it. I have provided you with such evidence as there is. You ignore it. I am willing to listen to the other opinions on this thread, and have learnt, I believe, the way Hans pronounced his surname. I am willing to pronounce it as closely to that as I can, though I doubt that my German accent will convince anyone.

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But if the last syllable is pronounced with a soft "g", then this interpretation falls apart (unless "burger" is pronounced with a soft g over there)
I wasn't sure what you meant here. "Burger", "bigger", and "Asperger" have the same hard "g", so far as I have been able to learn.


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14 Mar 2008, 6:34 pm

Can I put my two cents in here, because fighting in a meaningless way annoys me. I had a hard time reading this thread. :roll:

Granted one of you is right about how it's TO BE pronounced, but it's also correct that it is pronounced a little differently because of accents. Rolling Rs being done by English people learning Spanish, and Asian people pronouncing 'proper' English Ls is an example.

An Asian lady once stepped up before a mostly Navy audience to sing "Red sails in the sun set" She sang it as "Led sails in the sunset", and the croud loved it.

Let's all deal with with the fact that there is differences, given one's ability to pronounce sounds, and the common useage of an given area. I met some unautistic people that can't loose their accents no matter how hard they try. If someone came up to one of my relatives who use the pronunciation "ass-burgers" (that doesn't mean they are saying "A burger of $#%^") and they said it like this, "I have Ahz-perjurs" or whatever; they'd act like they are annoyingly confused or something "what is Ahzperjurs? I never heard of it."

It's also annoying to explain Aspergers to people who first off don't grasp the pronunciation of the word. Second, when you say it in a form of mouth they can hear, it's even more annoying when they laugh, say "ok so you're ret*d?", or get stupid and accuse us of cussing. I will take the supposed 'proper' pronunciation into account. That is, when I find the right one. I say use the form of wording that will most effectively get your point across to the reciever you speak to.



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14 Mar 2008, 6:37 pm

LeKiwi wrote:
...Again, if you had read what I wrote (which clearly you haven't), you'd have noticed that I have now said THREE TIMES we do not use the hard g; it is a SOFT g. Again, I hadn't heard it spoken with a hard g until I heard an American say it.

Uh...yes you do:

Fergburger

This is a wonderful ad! Be sure to check out Ferg's People down at the bottom of the page. WARNING! Very naughty language.
Very, very funny.
:lol:



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14 Mar 2008, 11:33 pm

Mmmmmm
Off-topic Fergburger Blog
:D



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15 Mar 2008, 5:59 am

Lienda - Amen to that. I'm forever having to spell my name to people in the UK because they don't understand my pronounciation of it. Which isn't particularly strange, and it's a simple four-letter english word, but even so, I spell it automatically now because I know they'll just ask and/or get it wrong!!


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