Arrogance is not a need and other refuges in audacity
Please just stop with the mal-interpretation. I am simply arguing to improve your debate. I personally don't take anything seriously in which someone else calls another person a Nazi. It's an insult to human intelligence and people have grown resistant to propaganda and reverse propaganda of this nature in debate.
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i appologize since I haven't read beyond the 1st page of this thread, but I think an issue that applies to a great many of us is how to effectivly disagree with people. I know that myself I have a tendency to make arguments about the things I am passionate about that can often result in the message being lost in the mannor that I deliver it.
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You have turned from criticizing me for using a cliche for using exaggeration. The word Neo-Nazi is used in order to account for ideologies and political tactics that resemble Nazism. Gross oversimplification in the service of hate, unproven scare stories an egotistical lack of perspective in the highlighting of differences have all been demonstrated here. There is no exaggeration because he did it. Furthermore I used no supposition because it is clear in previous arguments that I have shown he did it and as for productive debate I don't think anything he said was productive or was intended to be debated. All he did was have a fit, spewing lies of various shades in order to intimidate me: I offered him the minimum courtesy of responding to him, and took up the duty of challenging ignorant and dangerous attitudes.
All you had to show for it was some offhand comment that I had exaggerated when I said he was a Neo-Nazi because other people had with tiresome regularity used association with Nazism to lend strength to their argument when it clearly wasn't cogent. If I did invoke it correctly does that mean you can still use the argument? No.
Actually Neo-Nazi referres to anyone who is a member of a neo-nazi organization, though this is not quite the same as the National Socialism in Germany when Hitler was in power....it is based specifically on that. Neo-Nazi does not refer to anyone who has extreme veiws....
Yeah because there are tonnes of different extreme views. I get the idea. But his tactics were fascistic.
I personally don't take anything seriously in which someone else calls another person a Nazi.
Did you read my last message? Are you that blind?
If the only reason you can offer for something is that it has been overused in the wrong situation, then when it is invoked properly against a scare-mongerer you cannot say the argument is 'dis-valued'. The only malinterpretation that is going on here is yours. I already gave reasons for my explanations whilst you just keep churning up the same reason after I have shot it down as inadequate.
I already said this talk with him was not a discussion. I am beating back hatred.
There isn't any propaganda! You assume that I used any propaganda when I have been giving evidence for what I said being correct! The only person who used propaganda was him, by making foul exaggerations of whole groups of people.
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This seems sensible enough.
Actually autism is not a disability and just because autism is included as a quack medical diagnosis still does not make autism a disability. Autism is only a disability because the world we live in refuses to conform to the autistic way of doing things. So is it arrogance to demand that the world change to such a degree as to revolve around the autistic? There is little hope that the autistic will change because autism is so hard wired in the brain. But autistic supremacy teaches that autism in fact a better way of doing things. Once the world accepts autistic supremacy they will become more tolerant of autistics because the world will realize we have a better way. But the other strategy is of compassion and pity which really means we want the world to feel sorry for ourselves. But we do not want pity from the world and we do not want shame from the world. We want the world to be proud of the fact that we are autistics and that we have found genius through autism.
I personally don't take anything seriously in which someone else calls another person a Nazi.
Did you read my last message? Are you that blind?
If the only reason you can offer for something is that it has been overused in the wrong situation, then when it is invoked proerly against a scare-mongerer you cannot say the argument is 'dis-valued'. The only malinterpretation that is going on here is you. How can you psychologically project so much?
I already said this talk with him was not a discussion. I am beating back hatred.
There isn't any propaganda! You assume that I used any propaganda when I have been giving evidence for what I said being correct! The only person who used propaganda was him, by making foul exaggerations of whole groups of people.
Yes I read you message and can see, think and rationalize for myself. I clearly stated that I indeed disagree with arguments that sum up someone to be a Nazi or related when it's just political name calling. I think it is overdone, harms good opinions and I don't find interest in it. Again it's not about supporting the person who was arguing which you disagree with but attempting to create further value in unique opinions.
Look up the meaning of propaganda.
Google Definitions Link
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What is the difference between pity and compassion?
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Actually the concept of Nazi ideology was in fact a competition to the Jewish ideology which states that Jews are God's chosen people (Nazi's claim to be the super race) and Jewish ideology states that they should live seperately in their own promised land which is like Heaven on Earth (Nazi's call their homeland the Fatherland).
This question will be a make or break for people in context to autism who call other philosophies pity.
What is the difference between pity and compassion?
With the answer of this question either social political devastation to organizations and groups within a movement individually will occur or be enhanced. The more members of any movement that fail the question will reflect poorly upon the entire sub-movement such as the pride in the general inclusion and equality autism movement. My suggestion is to answer it and have others be prepared to answer it.
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What is the difference between pity and compassion?
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Urgh... you still didn't read what I said. Twice now.
You again didn't read what I said. Just because other people invoke it incorrectly, doesn't mean that I can't. Trying to ignore the point I made wont make it go away.
I didn't say that you supported him for starts and second none of the hate he said had any value.
I think you like to argue to argue because you don't like being perceived wrong in any regard. I don't care if you think your accusation of him being something related to a Nazi including neo-Nazi is correct whereas the vast majority of others are wrong to accuse others of it. I am simply saying you are removing your ability to be perceived well in opinion by using those statements. It does not mean I am blind, not reading or having a supposition simply for making note of the argumentation style.
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Now you're just making up things. I was defending myself against your accusations. You instigated it. You stop it.
So you don't care if I am right?
You went from saying my invocation was wrong to to saying that I shouldn't use it because people might perceive it as wrong. You haven't perceived much well of me ever since I have been on here. All you have done is mobbed people who you don't understand with unjustified accusations and unspoken assumptions. You have ruined the tone of this thread by inanely and doggedly attempting to prove yourself by ignoring salient points, creating fantastical ideas about what and how people are thinking and coming up with fatuous excuses for why you continued posting.