State persecution in UK

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Firstly I have to say how I admire your solid responses to a determined troll sandbagging.

Discussions on the level of "Tis true" - "Tis not" can obscure the issue. Either this is your imagination, in which case it concerns no one else. Or it is true, and it potentially concerns everybody else.

At any rate having a site highlighting such problems can only be seen as a public service. It is unlikely that you alone in the UK have experienced this. The response looks as if it was intended to silence you, which adds credibility to your position.

Now I am going to change the subject slightly. My Mum once said to me, do you think a member of the Royal Family, or a politician would get the learner doctor? Doctors have to learn on someone. It is improbably that they practice on the highest members of society. Incompetent doctors, likewise. The result is the bad people in every institution, and every insitution has dud, and learners are directed to the people at the bottom of the social heap. Who cant protest.

You say you thought your Aspergers was the reason for your persecution. An alternative explanation was that it was not the reason, but it made you an attractive target. Who would believe you? Your condition destroys credibility. And crime gravitates to opportunity.

Here is a suggestion. Who do learner spies practice on? The Royal Family? Our politicians? Other higher echelon members of society? Dirty tactics are par for the course in espionage. To destroy a target spies have to learn how to manipulate the institutions we all rely on, Tax, Benefits, Medical, etc. And they need to see how their actions have worked. They cant practice on criminals nor on any member of society sufficiently up the social scale who can take action to protect themselves. And reveal their methods. So they choose lower class, non criminals, ideally ones like yourself who have to fight to establish credibility before they even enter the conversation.

Yes. I have had experiences like yours, but not so extreme. But I suspect it is going the way it went with you.

I wish you well.

Thank you, Wiliamson, for your encouraging comments and perceptive observations. I think there must be a lot of truth in what you write, and there may also be other factors at play.
I'm not sure if I started out at the bottom of the heap, particularly where the medical profession is concerned. My father was a senior lecturer in a University Medical School. However, I remember that even he, who was an undiagnosed Asperger person, was so badly bullied by his Professor and Head of Department that he had to take early retirement.
But I think you may have used doctors as an analogy. Your point about trainee spies fits with my experiences. Many of the people who have stuck out as spies have been young, even teenagers and children. Also, as I am a Quaker and pacifist it may be thought that these young spies will not be at risk of retaliation when they practise their abuse on me.
One piece of progress. Last November we won a Court case when the other party withdrew their claim at the start of the hearing. We go from strength to strength!
I can only continue to affirm what I know to be true. I do think it's a pity that some Aspies are willing to give others a "sandbagging". This is why our cause is the last human rights issue to be addressed. We don't stick together.
The film from France http://www.wrongplanet.net/article424.html is truly shocking - these influential people are projecting onto us their own perverse fantasies, or possibly, practices.

I am glad to hear you have made progress with your court case, and keeping your chin up under all the heavy flak you have been taking.

This is a bit of a side item. As I said, I found your account highly believable, mainly because I have had similar experiences. While I was at University, odd events, though not huge in themselves happened to me. A policeman, of rather dodgy character attempted to become "friends". At one point he gave me a large collection of (unwanted) pornography which he said had been confiscated from students. The neighbours became concerned when strange men started to arrive out of nowhere trying to peer in the windows - we lived in a cul de sac. One morning I was awoken by a woman yelling and screaming and banging on our door - I didnt let her in, obviously - the neighbours said she worked at a childrens home further up the lane. I knew neither the woman nor of the existence of the home. When I applied for post-grad, I was turned down months before, my final exams, - a lecturer at the University had commented my grades looked as if I was heading for a first. After Uni when I applied for work I never even received acknowledgement of receipt of application - this was in the '70's before such bad manners became tne norm. I found I could get to interview stage by ommitting my degree from my applications. But at one interview the interviewer commented on gaps in employment saying - you shouldnt leave any gaps, we might think you had been in prison. I was very stupid. I didnt really connect these events at the time, but years later I became suspicious and contacted Freedom Of Information, telling them I thought lies had been spread about me. They suggested writing to the University, which I did, but they only acknowledged my academic record.

Recently, similar events have started again, so that was why I searched the web for state sponsored persecution. Bythe way, I am not Aspergers, but if you know any dedicated site for people who are mildly dyspraxic (if you can call mild not having an effective short term memory - but dyspraxia can be very bad - less so in women, such as myself) severely myopic and medium rheumatic, I'd be glad to hear. All the best.

Zeraeph's opinions in this thread are some of the most ridiculous that I have ever seen.

You're told that police and governments don't abuse anyone, so that must make it true, even in spite of the testimony of direct witnesses to the contrary.

You try to tell us that your beliefs, which are based entirely on hearsay and rumours, rather than direct experience, are not theoretical beliefs. It's difficult to believe that you are not intentionally talking nonsense just to annoy people.

I have personally been abused by police and government officials on numerous occasions. A lot of these people simply join in order to gain the power to treat others badly, and they derive great pleasure from it. This is a fact of life. Police officers are not magically different to all of the other people in the world who get their kicks out of kicking others when they're down. These people show up in all walks of life, the super shiny spotless angelic government is no different, in fact a person probably has to be either insane or sorely inexperienced to believe that government positions do not attract more of these people than every other form of employment put together.

All anyone needs to do to see police brutality these days is click on a youtube video. There must be thousands of such videos on there.

Until these new government laws get them taken down for "piracy" issues, of course.

Zeraeph is no longer contributing to WP.

I take the view that what has happened to Pianorak and myself, though likely sourced in different problems, but similar, cannot be unique. we cannot be the only two people in the entire country who have had these problems. When I searched the web under "state sponsored persecution" this was the only site I could find. So, nobody else is experiencing, or has experienced anything like this? Isnt that too improbable? Given the net is the first port of call for anyone who has a problem, especially unconventional ones. Is there censorship on the web?

I think it would be very unlikely that WP, along with most other organisations, were not monitored and even infiltrated by MI6/CIA/Mossad. I believe members of WP should think very carefully before posting messages on the subject of "Aspies take over the world" and such like. Government "intelligence" agencies are by their nature paranoid, and are very inclined to take such statements literally.

Pianorak, my respect for you increases in leaps and bounds. EVERY time I access the web to try and find sites on arbitrary and gratuitous state persecution of ordinary citizens in the UK, the only sites I find have been placed by you. The latest one I have accessed carries the comment about the US govt being evil. This is interesting. In the "free democratic" West - does it exist? we take for granted that the governments of non free democratic Western countries are corrupt, and are actually seen to be so by their citizens. We pride ourselves that our governments are different. It becomes a shock when we discover the possibility/likelihood that our govts are corrupt too but just better at concealing it/gulling the populace. At the moment I am also chasing censorship links, because it seems peculiar to me that just about everything I try to research there is either no information on or pages and pages of twaddle.