a plan to destroy autism speaks
08 Jun 2012, 9:19 pm
LennytheWicked wrote:
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I'll keep going on them until you stop deceiving the ignorant public.
You can't deceive a public that won't listen because of prejudice.
Who are you trying to convince then?
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Like hell they aren't. Have you ever had a panic attack just sitting quietly? Have you ever had to excuse yourself from a place you actually wanted to be - like a science museum or a party or a lecture - just because the people are making you nervous? Have you ever been told to leave a place you actually wanted to be because the people are making you visibly nervous?
If you want to talk of panic attacks/anxiety disorders, go to a forum somewhere for that. You're off topic now and you know it. Anxiety isn't an inherent lack of ability to do something. That's why I say it isn't a disability.
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Did you know that some people are kicked off of sports teams specifically because they're autistic? How do you figure I'm elitist? I'm asking to be treated fairly and not be written off because I'm 'too normal' for you. Because I am not normal enough for most people, I do qualify as autistic under DSM-V, and my diagnosis has been rectified to suit that.
I didn't hear any stories of that, but there are many autistics who really can't play sports to begin with because of their impairments. I just don't want you to pretend there's some huge success and talent case behind every autistic, with only prejudices and restrictions from others stopping them. That idea could make for a catchy soundbite. But reality checks show that isn't true. I don't think you need to have your privileged position to be treated fairly. You're better off than so many autistics, not due to work of your own, and are vehemently against efforts to bring up other autistics to your level. You don't deserve to get away with that by nobody rebutting you. Some don't think this hierarchy is necessarily a default and just way for society to operate by. I think you're being unfair to others. Nobody is writing you off. You're not "too normal". You're too apt and functional, and therefore successful. You have opportunities that others on the spectrum don't have due to that.
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Exactly. Which is why there need to be better services available to the general public in the first place. If you continuously teach a fourteen-year-old first grade math for eight years, guess what math level he'll be at.
Why would they teach like that? What if the person just couldn't learn the first grade math all of that time? Don't ignore reality.
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Or you could raise awareness about the truth, which is that most "LFA" people will not function at a normal level if they are treated like children their entire lives. Parents of NT children would go berserk if they learned that their child was in the seventh grade and still learning their multiplication tables, but that doesn't seem so for parents of autistic children.
They aren't disabled because of being treated like children. Mental disability is a real phenomenon that occurs in the brain. Seems like Bettleheim is back.
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BS. You try informing your employer that you have an autism diagnosis of any kind and see how that goes. Oh, and if you say, "No, I don't have any disorders," and they find out about it, they can fire you for lying on your application.
What is anyone doing informing their employer they're autistic when they have no need to? When you know they'll misinterpret it. Nobody has to answer questions of mental illness when looking for jobs. There are some autistics who have to work in sheltered workshops or be handed crappy jobs through social services. There are real predicaments out there.
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How is wanting better actual services undermining progress? I would like for my brother to be engaged and happy rather than shoved into a room and treated like an idiot all day long like he has been for most of his life. Of course he's not going to make any progress like this - he's being treated like he won't make any progress.
I'm referring to your opposition to cure. You aren't helping services by claiming that cure is scary and mean.
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Quite honestly, the attitude that LFAs will always be LFAs who lack "basic skills" is much more damaging than that.
Enough with that fulfilling prophesy nonsense. They will remain that way if your side gets what it wants.
08 Jun 2012, 9:58 pm
dalurker wrote:
LennytheWicked wrote:
dalurker wrote:
I'll keep going on them until you stop deceiving the ignorant public.
You can't deceive a public that won't listen because of prejudice.
Who are you trying to convince then?
You, but trying to convince you of anything is like playing chess with a pigeon.
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Like hell they aren't. Have you ever had a panic attack just sitting quietly? Have you ever had to excuse yourself from a place you actually wanted to be - like a science museum or a party or a lecture - just because the people are making you nervous? Have you ever been told to leave a place you actually wanted to be because the people are making you visibly nervous?
If you want to talk of panic attacks/anxiety disorders, go to a forum somewhere for that. You're off topic now and you know it. Anxiety isn't an inherent lack of ability to do something. That's why I say it isn't a disability.
Anxiety is not an inherent lack of ability to do something, but anxiety disorders are an inherent lack of ability to cope with anxiety. My anxieties are caused primarily by stimuli, which would not bother me if not for the autism. It is very relevant.
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Did you know that some people are kicked off of sports teams specifically because they're autistic? How do you figure I'm elitist? I'm asking to be treated fairly and not be written off because I'm 'too normal' for you. Because I am not normal enough for most people, I do qualify as autistic under DSM-V, and my diagnosis has been rectified to suit that.
I didn't hear any stories of that, but there are many autistics who really can't play sports to begin with because of their impairments.]/quote]
Right. Because now autism makes it impossible for a person to shoot goals or dribble.
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I just don't want you to pretend there's some huge success and talent case behind every autistic, with only prejudices and restrictions from others stopping them.
And when did I say that? I never said that everyone with autism is inherently a genius. I said that being underestimated is just as big of an issue as the disability itself.
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That idea could make for a catchy soundbite. But reality checks show that isn't true.
Oh really? And where are your reality checks? Do you have anyone who's been treated like a two-year-old their whole life who turned out successful? Because I'm arguing that such a scenario wouldn't happen with an NT and wouldn't happen with an autistic.
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I don't think you need to have your privileged position to be treated fairly. You're better off than so many autistics, not due to work of your own, and are vehemently against efforts to bring up other autistics to your level.
Are you f*****g kidding me? You're calling me privileged? Welcome to the real world, buddy. I get seizures and migraines related to certain stimuli. And I am not opposed to bringing others up to my level as long as they're not supposed to stay at my level. Because my level still sucks, believe it or not.
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You don't deserve to get away with that by nobody rebutting you. Some don't think this hierarchy is necessarily a default and just way for society to operate by. I think you're being unfair to others.
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Nobody is writing you off. You're not "too normal". You're too apt and functional, and therefore successful. You have opportunities that others on the spectrum don't have due to that.
Right, two seconds ago you wrote this:
"I don't think you need to have your privileged position to be treated fairly. You're better off than so many autistics, not due to work of your own, and are vehemently against efforts to bring up other autistics to your level."
Noooo, that's not writing me of as too normal at allllllll.
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Exactly. Which is why there need to be better services available to the general public in the first place. If you continuously teach a fourteen-year-old first grade math for eight years, guess what math level he'll be at.
Why would they teach like that? What if the person just couldn't learn the first grade math all of that time? Don't ignore reality.
They do teach like that because they don't understand. While I realize the communication block is a major issue, there are ways to get around it. I know that my my little brother is capable of doing basic algebra in a life scenario because I make him do it. But in school, he is still doing single digit addition and subtraction. When I wrote a letter to his teacher telling her about this, she said that Sam was at too low of a level to learn pre-algebra, even though he was already doing it.
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Or you could raise awareness about the truth, which is that most "LFA" people will not function at a normal level if they are treated like children their entire lives. Parents of NT children would go berserk if they learned that their child was in the seventh grade and still learning their multiplication tables, but that doesn't seem so for parents of autistic children.
They aren't disabled because of being treated like children. Mental disability is a real phenomenon that occurs in the brain. Seems like Bettleheim is back.
I never said that being treated like children disabled them; I am however saying that it could quite possibly delay or stunt their academic growth, [and I say academic because I believe that intellectual growth is less definable] as well as their emotional growth in some cases where it may not have been an issue.
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BS. You try informing your employer that you have an autism diagnosis of any kind and see how that goes. Oh, and if you say, "No, I don't have any disorders," and they find out about it, they can fire you for lying on your application.
What is anyone doing informing their employer they're autistic when they have no need to? When you know they'll misinterpret it. Nobody has to answer questions of mental illness when looking for jobs. There are some autistics who have to work in sheltered workshops or be handed crappy jobs through social services. There are real predicaments out there.
They ask on some job applications if you have any disabilities that may hinder your performance. In my case, I would have trouble at a help desk if it meant dealing with angry or yelling customers, because I smile and giggle when people are mad at me which seems to make them angrier.
Autism isn't just a mental illness, it's a neurological disorder. There's no antidepressant that you can take to shoo your autism symptoms away. [Except the ones that are actually sedatives, but yuck.]
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How is wanting better actual services undermining progress? I would like for my brother to be engaged and happy rather than shoved into a room and treated like an idiot all day long like he has been for most of his life. Of course he's not going to make any progress like this - he's being treated like he won't make any progress.
I'm referring to your opposition to cure. You aren't helping services by claiming that cure is scary and mean.
When did I do that?
I don't believe in forcing a cure, and I don't want a prenatal test. It doesn't mean that it won't happen. I think it's generally better to work through issues than to take a magic pill and make them poof.
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Quite honestly, the attitude that LFAs will always be LFAs who lack "basic skills" is much more damaging than that.
Enough with that fulfilling prophesy nonsense. They will remain that way if your side gets what it wants.What I want is to not be written off, and to not have to face prejudice simply for being autistic.
How is that damaging? How is it damaging to think that people with LFA aren't empty-headed husks like so many people seem to imply?
I never even said that I had a special ability. So how do you figure I'm better off?
08 Jun 2012, 10:33 pm
LennytheWicked wrote:
Right. Because now autism makes it impossible for a person to shoot goals or dribble.
What if someone with autism can't handle the team aspects of sports?
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I just don't want you to pretend there's some huge success and talent case behind every autistic, with only prejudices and restrictions from others stopping them.
And when did I say that? I never said that everyone with autism is inherently a genius. I said that being underestimated is just as big of an issue as the disability itself.
There are too many implying that. There is lots of stuff in the media emphasizing occasional success stories.
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Oh really? And where are your reality checks? Do you have anyone who's been treated like a two-year-old their whole life who turned out successful? Because I'm arguing that such a scenario wouldn't happen with an NT and wouldn't happen with an autistic.
I think some are treated like 2 year olds after not being successful.
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Nobody is writing you off. You're not "too normal". You're too apt and functional, and therefore successful. You have opportunities that others on the spectrum don't have due to that.
Right, two seconds ago you wrote this:
"I don't think you need to have your privileged position to be treated fairly. You're better off than so many autistics, not due to work of your own, and are vehemently against efforts to bring up other autistics to your level."
Noooo, that's not writing me of as too normal at allllllll.
I don't see your point. You are the one obsessed with the word normal. I don't know what you mean by it. I'm talking of the distinction between strong and weak, competent and impaired.
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They do teach like that because they don't understand. While I realize the communication block is a major issue, there are ways to get around it. I know that my my little brother is capable of doing basic algebra in a life scenario because I make him do it. But in school, he is still doing single digit addition and subtraction. When I wrote a letter to his teacher telling her about this, she said that Sam was at too low of a level to learn pre-algebra, even though he was already doing it.
Why don't you show him how to do it on paper?
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They ask on some job applications if you have any disabilities that may hinder your performance. In my case, I would have trouble at a help desk if it meant dealing with angry or yelling customers, because I smile and giggle when people are mad at me which seems to make them angrier.
There isn't really an objective way to deal with angry customers. And if someone has disabilities that really do hinder performance, they're vulnerable anyway. Quote:
Autism isn't just a mental illness, it's a neurological disorder. There's no antidepressant that you can take to shoo your autism symptoms away. [Except the ones that are actually sedatives, but yuck.]
Antidepressants? Who is even talking of them?
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I'm referring to your opposition to cure. You aren't helping services by claiming that cure is scary and mean.
When did I do that?
You say things to undermine the goal of cure. Like the next things you are saying.
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I don't believe in forcing a cure, and I don't want a prenatal test. It doesn't mean that it won't happen. I think it's generally better to work through issues than to take a magic pill and make them poof.
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What I want is to not be written off, and to not have to face prejudice simply for being autistic.
How is that damaging? How is it damaging to think that people with LFA aren't empty-headed husks like so many people seem to imply?
I never even said that I had a special ability. So how do you figure I'm better off?
How is that damaging? How is it damaging to think that people with LFA aren't empty-headed husks like so many people seem to imply?
I never even said that I had a special ability. So how do you figure I'm better off?
Prejudice is pre judging. Some judge after observing autism symptoms. All you do is whine that some acknowledge that LFAs aren't doing well. Your fairy tales aren't a solution.
08 Jun 2012, 10:47 pm
dalurker wrote:
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Like hell they aren't. Have you ever had a panic attack just sitting quietly? Have you ever had to excuse yourself from a place you actually wanted to be - like a science museum or a party or a lecture - just because the people are making you nervous? Have you ever been told to leave a place you actually wanted to be because the people are making you visibly nervous?
If you want to talk of panic attacks/anxiety disorders, go to a forum somewhere for that. You're off topic now and you know it. Anxiety isn't an inherent lack of ability to do something. That's why I say it isn't a disability.
So, you complain about our others misrepresenting Autism as being not so bad and yet willing to do that very same argument to people who suffer other disorders. And how you think people who suffer from OCD and Anxiety will feel when they hear that from other people? The same way you feel about how others talk about Autism most likely, offended.
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08 Jun 2012, 10:52 pm
dalurker wrote:
LennytheWicked wrote:
Right. Because now autism makes it impossible for a person to shoot goals or dribble.
What if someone with autism can't handle the team aspects of sports?
In my experience, teens can't handle the team aspects of sports.
And that's what tennis, badminton, golf, swimming, and track are for. They still kick kids off of those teams.
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There are too many implying that. There is lots of stuff in the media emphasizing occasional success stories.
Really now? The emphasis I see is, "WOW. They did this cool thing even though they have autism!"
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I think some are treated like 2 year olds after not being successful.
Which is a problem.
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I don't see your point. You are the one obsessed with the word normal. I don't know what you mean by it. I'm talking of the distinction between strong and weak, competent and impaired.
And you're acting like I cannot have some degree of strength coupled with some degree of weakness, or some degree of competence as well as some degree of impairment.
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Why don't you show him how to do it on paper?
His handwriting is worse than mine. That puts a wrench in it.
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There isn't really an objective way to deal with angry customers. And if someone has disabilities that really do hinder performance, they're vulnerable anyway.
Yes, but most normal people can sit calmly through and say, "Sir, please calm down and I'll do X to solve Y." I can not do that.
It's actually illegal to discriminate against people for having disabilities in the USA. But if you lie about it then you ARE fair game to fire.
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Antidepressants? Who is even talking of them?
Probably too specific of an example, but I meant meds. My brothers and I were all shoved on antidepressants upon diagnosis to 'treat' our autism, and they gave us all rage flashes, raised our blood pressure to an unusual level for otherwise healthy people, and made us really tired.
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You say things to undermine the goal of cure. Like the next things you are saying.
How dare I oppose forcing a cure. Me, you disgust me.
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Prejudice is pre judging. Some judge after observing autism symptoms. All you do is whine that some acknowledge that LFAs aren't doing well. Your fairy tales aren't a solution.
Keyword "some." SOME.
And what the hell is wrong with you? Can you make an argument that isn't a damn strawman? Or is that beyond your comprehension of rhetoric? I didn't say that all LFA's are doing well, I said that maybe if we, gasp, try acknowledging them as human beings with potential instead of empty husks then they'll do better. Maybe not "POOF. MAGIC." But better.
09 Jun 2012, 12:47 am
You present a hodge-podge of rebuttals to me, aghogday, yet in my opinion, I don't think I should
need them. Why not? Because many of its supporters underestimate how vicious and vile Autism Speaks really is
to the autistic community. You may claim it's OK'd by the BBB and the IRS, but so is Scientology and God Hates Fags. Those
fall on the category of hate groups. And based on its activities and advocacies, past or present, Autism Speaks is so
off the charts for being a hate group, equating with Neo-Nazis and the KKK. And excuse me, please, don't be
a presumptuous somebody and put words into my mouth. It'd be better if they would jump off the Golden Gate
bridge rather than be hypocrites and claim to advocate for autistics, which they actually don't. Oh,
and by the way, I know of cases where your favourite group has harassed self-advocates, so they could
kill off the voices of their opponents. I'm not saying that they can put anyone to death, but I think otherwise. And you
yourself have said that they issue cease-and-desist letters. Isn't it categorised as harrassment and litigation in anyone's books? Oh,
you say those accusations are false. I think their words and rebuttals are false. Sad to bring this to you, but I'm no
moron to buy their false reasoning. By the way, thank you for bringing those third-party links up, aghogday,
because I can use them to further incriminate the already-incriminated clandestine criminal organisation that
you appear to support. (Does this sound like a tongue twister? Perhaps.) And as for my signature, you like it,
don't you? It's more like an in-your-face statement. For goodness' sakes, the Internet is a free world, don't
make it like North Korea or Somalia or something. I am a member here, and it is my privilege to say
any thought, however offensive it may be to others. I can only do so much if it offends some poor souls. Maybe they needed
sense that is enlightening and authentic. Again, I don't claim to be clean -- but if in any case we need to arbitrate this
at some other venue beside this forum, I would say, "Bring it." Personally, it's a pleasure having to discuss
all these things with you, aghogday, but in the name of consistency, I believe we need to continue this discussion.
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09 Jun 2012, 2:45 am
LennytheWicked wrote:
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You say things to undermine the goal of cure. Like the next things you are saying.
How dare I oppose forcing a cure. Me, you disgust me.
Who is forcing a cure? By the way, why are so many forced to be disabled in the first place?
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And what the hell is wrong with you? Can you make an argument that isn't a damn strawman? Or is that beyond your comprehension of rhetoric? I didn't say that all LFA's are doing well, I said that maybe if we, gasp, try acknowledging them as human beings with potential instead of empty husks then they'll do better. Maybe not "POOF. MAGIC." But better.
You have no solutions, so you really should seek real information from those who are actually working on the problems.
09 Jun 2012, 2:48 am
Nexus wrote:
So, you complain about our others misrepresenting Autism as being not so bad and yet willing to do that very same argument to people who suffer other disorders. And how you think people who suffer from OCD and Anxiety will feel when they hear that from other people? The same way you feel about how others talk about Autism most likely, offended.
I didn't misrepresent any disorders. I shouldn't even be talking of them here, because they're not the same thing as autism.
09 Jun 2012, 4:21 am
theimperiousdork wrote:
You present a hodge-podge of rebuttals to me, aghogday, yet in my opinion, I don't think I should
need them. Why not? Because many of its supporters underestimate how vicious and vile Autism Speaks really is
to the autistic community. You may claim it's OK'd by the BBB and the IRS, but so is Scientology and God Hates Fags. Those
fall on the category of hate groups. And based on its activities and advocacies, past or present, Autism Speaks is so
off the charts for being a hate group, equating with Neo-Nazis and the KKK. And excuse me, please, don't be
a presumptuous somebody and put words into my mouth. It'd be better if they would jump off the Golden Gate
bridge rather than be hypocrites and claim to advocate for autistics, which they actually don't. Oh,
and by the way, I know of cases where your favourite group has harassed self-advocates, so they could
kill off the voices of their opponents. I'm not saying that they can put anyone to death, but I think otherwise. And you
yourself have said that they issue cease-and-desist letters. Isn't it categorised as harrassment and litigation in anyone's books? Oh,
you say those accusations are false. I think their words and rebuttals are false. Sad to bring this to you, but I'm no
moron to buy their false reasoning. By the way, thank you for bringing those third-party links up, aghogday,
because I can use them to further incriminate the already-incriminated clandestine criminal organisation that
you appear to support. (Does this sound like a tongue twister? Perhaps.) And as for my signature, you like it,
don't you? It's more like an in-your-face statement. For goodness' sakes, the Internet is a free world, don't
make it like North Korea or Somalia or something. I am a member here, and it is my privilege to say
any thought, however offensive it may be to others. I can only do so much if it offends some poor souls. Maybe they needed
sense that is enlightening and authentic. Again, I don't claim to be clean -- but if in any case we need to arbitrate this
at some other venue beside this forum, I would say, "Bring it." Personally, it's a pleasure having to discuss
all these things with you, aghogday, but in the name of consistency, I believe we need to continue this discussion.
need them. Why not? Because many of its supporters underestimate how vicious and vile Autism Speaks really is
to the autistic community. You may claim it's OK'd by the BBB and the IRS, but so is Scientology and God Hates Fags. Those
fall on the category of hate groups. And based on its activities and advocacies, past or present, Autism Speaks is so
off the charts for being a hate group, equating with Neo-Nazis and the KKK. And excuse me, please, don't be
a presumptuous somebody and put words into my mouth. It'd be better if they would jump off the Golden Gate
bridge rather than be hypocrites and claim to advocate for autistics, which they actually don't. Oh,
and by the way, I know of cases where your favourite group has harassed self-advocates, so they could
kill off the voices of their opponents. I'm not saying that they can put anyone to death, but I think otherwise. And you
yourself have said that they issue cease-and-desist letters. Isn't it categorised as harrassment and litigation in anyone's books? Oh,
you say those accusations are false. I think their words and rebuttals are false. Sad to bring this to you, but I'm no
moron to buy their false reasoning. By the way, thank you for bringing those third-party links up, aghogday,
because I can use them to further incriminate the already-incriminated clandestine criminal organisation that
you appear to support. (Does this sound like a tongue twister? Perhaps.) And as for my signature, you like it,
don't you? It's more like an in-your-face statement. For goodness' sakes, the Internet is a free world, don't
make it like North Korea or Somalia or something. I am a member here, and it is my privilege to say
any thought, however offensive it may be to others. I can only do so much if it offends some poor souls. Maybe they needed
sense that is enlightening and authentic. Again, I don't claim to be clean -- but if in any case we need to arbitrate this
at some other venue beside this forum, I would say, "Bring it." Personally, it's a pleasure having to discuss
all these things with you, aghogday, but in the name of consistency, I believe we need to continue this discussion.
Aghogdays posts are reasoned and detailed with many specifics, whereas yours are unspecific, emotive, and contain misrepresentations.
E.g. describing Austim Speaks as a "criminal organisation" look it up, does it fit? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_crime
or a "Hate group" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_group
Somewhat ludicrous. But I'm all ears if you want to try and back up those statements somehow.
09 Jun 2012, 5:02 am
dalurker wrote:
LennytheWicked wrote:
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You say things to undermine the goal of cure. Like the next things you are saying.
How dare I oppose forcing a cure. Me, you disgust me.
Who is forcing a cure? By the way, why are so many forced to be disabled in the first place?
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And what the hell is wrong with you? Can you make an argument that isn't a damn strawman? Or is that beyond your comprehension of rhetoric? I didn't say that all LFA's are doing well, I said that maybe if we, gasp, try acknowledging them as human beings with potential instead of empty husks then they'll do better. Maybe not "POOF. MAGIC." But better.
You have no solutions, so you really should seek real information from those who are actually working on the problems.
So let me get this straight. You think that everyone with autism is severely disabled and needs to be cured, because they are too disabled to make that decision? And if they are children who can function at a verbal level and say that they do not want it, they are children and too young to make a decision? And yes, I am aware that this is an if, but this is my impression of what you believe from your previous posts.
And this somehow means that they are subhuman, and should not be treated like people, because that won't "fix" them? That the current practice of treating autistic children and adults like empty husks is ok and should be encouraged because they're not normal?
That's a pretty f****d up way of seeing the world.
09 Jun 2012, 5:06 am
LennytheWicked wrote:
So let me get this straight. You think that everyone with autism is severely disabled and needs to be cured, because they are too disabled to make that decision? And if they are children who can function at a verbal level and say that they do not want it, they are children and too young to make a decision? And yes, I am aware that this is an if, but this is my impression of what you believe from your previous posts.
And this somehow means that they are subhuman, and should not be treated like people, because that won't "fix" them? That the current practice of treating autistic children and adults like empty husks is ok and should be encouraged because they're not normal?
That's a pretty f**** up way of seeing the world.
And this somehow means that they are subhuman, and should not be treated like people, because that won't "fix" them? That the current practice of treating autistic children and adults like empty husks is ok and should be encouraged because they're not normal?
That's a pretty f**** up way of seeing the world.
Everyone with autism? No. You? Probably.
09 Jun 2012, 5:33 am
Nexus wrote:
LennytheWicked wrote:
Rainy wrote:
Everyone with autism? No. You? Probably.
Come again?
Sounds like a snide remark aimed at you I presume...
I thought so too, but that doesn't make much sense in the context.
Unless Rainy is a certain relative of mine incognito. Then it would make a lot of sense. Freakin' Autism Speaks Dad. <.<
09 Jun 2012, 6:38 am
theimperiousdork wrote:
You present a hodge-podge of rebuttals to me, aghogday, yet in my opinion, I don't think I should
need them. Why not? Because many of its supporters underestimate how vicious and vile Autism Speaks really is
to the autistic community. You may claim it's OK'd by the BBB and the IRS, but so is Scientology and God Hates Fags. Those
fall on the category of hate groups. And based on its activities and advocacies, past or present, Autism Speaks is so
off the charts for being a hate group, equating with Neo-Nazis and the KKK. And excuse me, please, don't be
a presumptuous somebody and put words into my mouth. It'd be better if they would jump off the Golden Gate
bridge rather than be hypocrites and claim to advocate for autistics, which they actually don't. Oh,
and by the way, I know of cases where your favourite group has harassed self-advocates, so they could
kill off the voices of their opponents. I'm not saying that they can put anyone to death, but I think otherwise. And you
yourself have said that they issue cease-and-desist letters. Isn't it categorised as harrassment and litigation in anyone's books? Oh,
you say those accusations are false. I think their words and rebuttals are false. Sad to bring this to you, but I'm no
moron to buy their false reasoning. By the way, thank you for bringing those third-party links up, aghogday,
because I can use them to further incriminate the already-incriminated clandestine criminal organisation that
you appear to support. (Does this sound like a tongue twister? Perhaps.) And as for my signature, you like it,
don't you? It's more like an in-your-face statement. For goodness' sakes, the Internet is a free world, don't
make it like North Korea or Somalia or something. I am a member here, and it is my privilege to say
any thought, however offensive it may be to others. I can only do so much if it offends some poor souls. Maybe they needed
sense that is enlightening and authentic. Again, I don't claim to be clean -- but if in any case we need to arbitrate this
at some other venue beside this forum, I would say, "Bring it." Personally, it's a pleasure having to discuss
all these things with you, aghogday, but in the name of consistency, I believe we need to continue this discussion.
need them. Why not? Because many of its supporters underestimate how vicious and vile Autism Speaks really is
to the autistic community. You may claim it's OK'd by the BBB and the IRS, but so is Scientology and God Hates Fags. Those
fall on the category of hate groups. And based on its activities and advocacies, past or present, Autism Speaks is so
off the charts for being a hate group, equating with Neo-Nazis and the KKK. And excuse me, please, don't be
a presumptuous somebody and put words into my mouth. It'd be better if they would jump off the Golden Gate
bridge rather than be hypocrites and claim to advocate for autistics, which they actually don't. Oh,
and by the way, I know of cases where your favourite group has harassed self-advocates, so they could
kill off the voices of their opponents. I'm not saying that they can put anyone to death, but I think otherwise. And you
yourself have said that they issue cease-and-desist letters. Isn't it categorised as harrassment and litigation in anyone's books? Oh,
you say those accusations are false. I think their words and rebuttals are false. Sad to bring this to you, but I'm no
moron to buy their false reasoning. By the way, thank you for bringing those third-party links up, aghogday,
because I can use them to further incriminate the already-incriminated clandestine criminal organisation that
you appear to support. (Does this sound like a tongue twister? Perhaps.) And as for my signature, you like it,
don't you? It's more like an in-your-face statement. For goodness' sakes, the Internet is a free world, don't
make it like North Korea or Somalia or something. I am a member here, and it is my privilege to say
any thought, however offensive it may be to others. I can only do so much if it offends some poor souls. Maybe they needed
sense that is enlightening and authentic. Again, I don't claim to be clean -- but if in any case we need to arbitrate this
at some other venue beside this forum, I would say, "Bring it." Personally, it's a pleasure having to discuss
all these things with you, aghogday, but in the name of consistency, I believe we need to continue this discussion.
A cease and desist letter is not litigation, it is a formal request to notify someone that they are infringing upon legal rights, advising them not to infringe upon those rights. As long as the infringement is discontinued there is no legal problem.
There is no freedom of speech that allows one to break the site rules on this privately owned site, that are enforced by moderators. One of those rules does not allow personal attacks against other members. Your offensive personal comments, in your signature line against the owner, is against the site rules; you won't face any consequences from me for breaking that rule, but there are others here that enforce them. If you remove the comment, it's not likely there will be a problem, in the future, in regard to it.
It appears you have a great many posts here, so I suspect that you have already read the rules, but if not they are clearly delineated at the top of each forum.
I have already refuted all the accusatory statements you have made here in regard to autism speaks, with third party evidence. If you can provide any evidence to back up your accusations against the organization, you are welcome to attempt to do so.
Or, if you can't find any of the links, I have provided in this thread, to refute your accusatory statements against the organization, I will be happy to provide them to you.
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