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Do you think an Aspie community is possible?
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Yes 65%  65%  [ 33 ]
No 35%  35%  [ 18 ]
Total votes : 51

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11 Jul 2013, 2:29 pm

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Pepe I don't think you will get consensus on Social Protocol.

I would like to see this happen for AS community only. Where we can self rule and self govern ourselves. It is in New Mexico.


Whitney, are you indicating there is an AS community in New Mexico, or you would like to see one there?


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11 Jul 2013, 2:42 pm

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WhitneyM wrote:
Pepe I don't think you will get consensus on Social Protocol.

I would like to see this happen for AS community only. Where we can self rule and self govern ourselves. It is in New Mexico.


Whitney, are you indicating there is an AS community in New Mexico, or you would like to see one there?


I live close by. I would like to see one AS community there but to my Knowledge there is none. Realistically I would love to see AS community but I don't think it will happen for several reasons someone will have to be PR person to the world. In general the things we need to have self sustaining community does take some social awareness and that is a given. As for sustainable communities granted there is no investment by the government to include AS in other communities this includes basic infrastructure such roads, schools, housing, jobs, and medical facilities.

Someone mention security that will also be problem because crime goes where there is a low jobs and income. Asperger community may be aware of crime but we are far more vulnerable unless you want a closed community with select few people allow in. Social economics is another things. We would need to trade and are we going exclude people off the spectrum but that will be form discrimination.



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11 Jul 2013, 3:21 pm

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Realistically I would love to see AS community but I don't think it will happen for several reasons someone will have to be PR person to the world.


I'm not so sure that's a limiting feature. Most communities get by perfectly well without a full-time PR person.

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Someone mention security that will also be problem because crime goes where there is a low jobs and income. Asperger community may be aware of crime but we are far more vulnerable unless you want a closed community with select few people allow in.


For the same reasons that I outlined in this post: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5334504.html#5334504 , I do not agree with the argument that somehow an Aspie community would have higher crime rates than a comparable community.


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11 Jul 2013, 4:36 pm

AgentPalpatine wrote:
WhitneyM wrote:
Realistically I would love to see AS community but I don't think it will happen for several reasons someone will have to be PR person to the world.


I'm not so sure that's a limiting feature. Most communities get by perfectly well without a full-time PR person.

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Someone mention security that will also be problem because crime goes where there is a low jobs and income. Asperger community may be aware of crime but we are far more vulnerable unless you want a closed community with select few people allow in.


For the same reasons that I outlined in this post: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5334504.html#5334504 , I do not agree with the argument that somehow an Aspie community would have higher crime rates than a comparable community.


Allow me specify what the PR person is. That means someone who conducts the social business of the town where he or she negotiates business deals to have jobs and economic growth in the city. Also to be a spokes person for the town. Like city rep for the capital. Public Relations should retitled social relationships sort of thing.



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11 Jul 2013, 6:08 pm

WhitneyM wrote:
Allow me specify what the PR person is. That means someone who conducts the social business of the town where he or she negotiates business deals to have jobs and economic growth in the city. Also to be a spokes person for the town. Like city rep for the capital. Public Relations should retitled social relationships sort of thing.


How is that any different than what existing communities have now? Are you suggesting that Aspies are somehow incapable of dealing with outside stakeholders?


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11 Jul 2013, 8:07 pm

It is the social cues. I am not good detecting deception and lies. For me words are more intuitive with emotions they seldom mean literal meaning but shades of grey. We can handle situations where the grey is not present and things are clear cut. When grey is present we are not picking up the signals on what the others are saying through body language. I see the details not the big picture. If the human race is logical and analytical where they need emotional reassurance and expect tact which we are not good at. I expresses myself in most blunt and less than tactful terms not a good diplomat or politician. It is unrealistic expect t he world that shaded grey to operate we do so we have to adjust to them. We are in minority and it is about accomadations for other need.



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11 Jul 2013, 8:10 pm

WhitneyM wrote:
It is the social cues. I am not good detecting deception and lies. For me words are more intuitive with emotions they seldom mean literal meaning but shades of grey. We can handle situations where the grey is not present and things are clear cut. When grey is present we are not picking up the signals on what the others are saying through body language. I see the details not the big picture. If the human race is logical and analytical where they need emotional reassurance and expect tact which we are not good at. I expresses myself in most blunt and less than tactful terms not a good diplomat or politician. It is unrealistic expect t he world that shaded grey to operate we do so we have to adjust to them. We are in minority and it is about accomadations for other need.


There is a difference between dealing with people in daily life, and dealing with people in business-related discussions. I do not believe that Aspies are somehow incapable of regular business communication.


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11 Jul 2013, 8:17 pm

I dealt with people who are virtual strangers on the regular people. In the short term I find that I can handle people with no actual relationship. It was my co-workers were incompetent and moronic idiots who couldn't put light bulb in lamp if their life dependent. I ran the inventory and equipment requisition which was not my job but I was good. Nobody could get supplies like I could. However I found that daily interaction is required in business and you have to stroke egos of other people. The stress level of dealing people made me sick several times and being polite all the time is real drain. There was no relief. We as Aspies can handle social situations but not on daily regular bases even though we have no reason.

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04 Aug 2013, 1:52 am

A starting point could be to establish openly Aspie-friendly gathering places and cultural events in a particular town. There are some "gay" cities where not everyone there is gay, but mainstream people expect to see gay culture and both gays and non-gays enjoy the atmosphere. This would not be too :?: difficult to establish - an Aspie drop in/meeting centre, Aspie hang-out cafe or theatre, some relevant businesses eg medical. hobby/IT related shops, gyms. It would take a few key players to start giving an existing town a reputation as an Aspie town. Neurotypical people who enjoy diversity would also be welcome in such a town.



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05 Aug 2013, 12:44 am

eucalyptus wrote:
Neurotypical people who enjoy diversity would also be welcome in such a town.


I have to disagree...
All NTs should be rounded up, neutered and sent off to some island where they can do no further harm...<joke> :P



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05 Aug 2013, 8:54 am

eucalyptus wrote:
A starting point could be to establish openly Aspie-friendly gathering places and cultural events in a particular town.


In theory, I would agree with you. In the roughly 14 years or so since the first known offline gathering (Autreat), there has been very little movement on establishing the "gathering places" discussed in the above quote. The main issues appear to be the population density issue (ie, that Aspies are a comparatively small amount of the general population), and the current level of outreach to Aspies (which has been improving in recent years).


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