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We of the Delta Quadrant have long known the Great Link, the others do not.

What we have, "A differance of thought and perception," is marketable.

Autism and Aspergers are an unknown, but Meyers-Briggs Types have a solid history, and a minority of them, less than 10% of the population, made up of four to six, maybe eight known and documented types that show up on WP year after year.

It gives us a roadmap, a guidebook, and and what the types are good at, bad at, and what types compliment each other, is documented, and done by people who were not pushing drugs, but looking for performance.

What we as a group do not know is how, or if, the other 90% think, and they seem to all have something in common. They understand each other over the mass, then there is the Aspiestan Wall where a closely related sub species exhibits a difference of communication, which makes sense to them, but not the majority.

As such they would just be avoided as other minorities are, except they have a skill set that is in demand. A lot of IT workers here. Meyers-Briggs knew nothing of IT, but defined the Type long ago. They are the best people for some types of work.

Putting Aspies on the block and flogging them to the highest bidder is not going to bring much per pound. Gathering groups with Splinter Skills, and having someone with business skill market the results, will bring a better return.

For a long time I have said this is a natural Think Tank. Other options for problems are what people are looking for, and we are full of other points of view.

Being as we are grouped here, we miss the problems faced by Muggles.

While I often denounce them for the dumb things they do, I also know they are trying as hard as they can, with a 25 Watt bulb in a thousand Watt darkness. We have a different light. Inventors lead the Mass in discovering what was always there. It would not work if it was not there, just no one ever noticed it, that is what you get a Patent for.

More so on the web, an active minority seeking, the cream of the crop of nearly half the mental types, the rare ones. Together they may make up 10% of the population, but those on the web may be 1% of that.

That is a rich concentration of something. It needs to be sorted out, and and not only seeking business where we have a natural advantage, but putting together the management, and the Marketing, that are other skill sets, but needed to make a functioning whole.

Becoming a Community of Function, and the Income that produces, will do more to bind a community than any location.

We are supposed to be The online resource and community for aspergers. As Aspergers is best defined by the people who show up, and their Meyers-Briggs Types, we should be helping each other develop their type.

No one else knows as much about this quarter or more of mental types, we live there. I learned what I was good at through trial and error. What I learned was an exact fit to my Meyers-Briggs Type.

The DSM is over broad, and lacks, What are they good for?

Looking at resources is the first step in business. What do we have, what can it be used for?

I noticed a very strong pattern, Pattern Recognition is one of the things I am good at. It cannot be duplicated, or done in China.

I am working on a more developed sorting system. There is more, general intelligence, level of education, special skills and interests, age, gender, make each the person they are. Even one Meyers-Briggs type is made up of diverse people who share that trait, and maybe some more.

Making the System Serve The People is the first goal. If they find what you are doing is useful to them, they are more likely to dig deeper.

Most humans dislike most humans. Ovecoming that and building trust is needed to develop anything. We also have political parties, The INTP Faction, and a Democratic government is not likely. Afganistan has more tribes, but ours fight just as much, and Tribal Areas must be respected.

Winner take all is alien to our thinking. Enlightened self interest is closer to the mark.

I think this is important. Yes, DSM is mainly pathology and dysfunction oriented. And perhaps Meyer-Briggs is much more positive and potential oriented.

And I do like the approach of playing to strength, being matter-of-fact about any deficiencies.

I've seen descriptions of different Meyer-Briggs types. I haven't really seen 'bridge studies' so to speak, that link strengths of types to different work environments. And I'd be very interested in seeing these. I haven't really had a chance to look for them.

Inventor, if you have some links to some good articles, please by all means, share them with us. And other people, too, if you have links, please share.

Hmmmmmm. Are you suggesting that with multiple skills sets floating around such a location, "adding on" management (back office?) and marketing skills is something that could be done fairly inexpensively for different income generating entities?

Development can be self driven, but logic does not fit Business, Marketing, Tax Law, which are learned sets of local and temporary conditions.

It is a needed gateway to engage the rest.

There are books and web sites, online tests, for sorting people. They are broadly used in business. Meyers-Briggs Types on line seem to have as much trouble sorting themselves out as aspies.

I joined WP because I did see myself in the description of Aspergers, did score high on the tests, and found related thinking and thoughts from the other posters.

While I can agree with some of the DSM about the traits, I strongly disagree about the meaning. Parts of Objects, is how I made my living, Mechanics, IT, which I never went to school for, I just see how the parts go together, and to the point I can see what is not working, by function.

The skill is known differently by Meyers-Briggs, as seeing the overview of how something has to go together to work. I do this 'Whole Picture" thinking also. I have designed several new things from scratch, am a Patent Holder, and in writing, I find the same pattern, all of the data objects get arranged in one pattern.

I am more than a bit mind blind to others, If it does not fit my pattern, I hold it in disbelief. Not rejected, but not functional, yet.

In Business it is why Reports are written, because Engineering has no sense of what Marketing is doing. They do not even speak the same language, but someone has to turn it into a whole pattern, and IT has to be able to measure results.

Management has to exist because Accounting speaks of Tax Laws, that drive the form of business investment. The resulting Plan makes no sense to Engineering, Marketing, IT, but it keeps the company from being raided by the IRS, or sued by Stockholders. Management deals with the Whole Picture, and staying out of Federal Prison.

This overview is needed. Product development is a long cycle, Concept, Development, Marketing, all lose money, and products do not repay it until well into their short life cycle. If someone sends your prototype to China, and the knockoffs come in just as you hit the market, all your work was for their copy.

Patents can be stolen, Trade Secrets can be kept.

Starting from today, the question is, "Where will the market demand be in five years?" By that I mean for the proposed product, and World Economics, the American Stock Market, the Dollar, and General Market Conditions.

I see a tightening of demand, less Margin, more choices. This brings in minor considerations, where making the product 0.25% more profitable, might be half the final post tax profit. The Chinese are already working on such margins.

While some people are hiring Aspies for their superior error checking, which makes the process cheaper, I am looking at a range of skills and joining them in a service. We are a minor corner, we do some things well.

Our differance in thought and perception is like having a whole other world that is untapped. The problem is, having those voices heard, and acting on it.

So first a Meyers-Briggs sorting, then defining the sixteen types, and what is known, then updating it. The main focus would be on the WP Types, but the others do come in with functions we cannot provide. Business seeks to use compatable types, which is why we never get called back. We need a common business model, and those who understand them.

Meyers-Briggs is general. Even the 3% minority Types equal 10 million in the US. They are not clones, and where one may chose mechanics, others might chose art. The Types need to be sub typed, and charted.

Talent Mapping, for the future. Psychometrics is still Science Fiction, but it is coming.

I have some ideas for applications, but it would be a book long story, it is set in the future, and is a trade secret.

The greatest cost reduction of the future is getting the right person to fill a job. Almost good enough is expensive. Employment is a problem, both sides, and Temp, Contract, and filler do not bring pay and benefits. Freelance means overworked, and I see Service Teams being the thing that meets future demand.

Hiring people, training them, it takes months to move on a project. A Service Team with a track record can start today, going full speed, and be fee based. They can charge enough to cover their own income and benefits. They can merge with your Corporate Culture, like a Division, and be gone like they were never there.

Sticking to things where we have a pool of higher function, and obscure knowledge, with the ability to expand or contract a team, nothing else can offer a better deal.

Would the proposed Service Team(s) be geographically mobile, or based out of a particular location(s)?

There would be a need for face to face contact people. They would be chosen for the ability to relate to the customer, likely non aspie.

The rest can be the web based back office pool of skills. Inbetween a sorting system that first defines the problem, as all answers come from defining the problem, then chosing a response, and directing it out to the talent pool.

Then it has to return and be compiled. All different functions.

I think the main product would be reports. Before investing and commiting to long term projects, Think Tanks, Focus Groups, Market Surveys are done to predict the future.

Predicting the future has a very low track record of being right.

Our mental divergence gives a higher chance of being right, because we do not come up with the most common answers.

In some places this has paid off, Inventors as far as I can tell are a sub set of Aspies, where the traits are also found at the Patent Office, NASA, which has been a natural sorting by types. We do group around function.

University Professors deal with all types, but through a very narrow knowledge of one field. It is this narrow focus and special interests that sets us apart from the herd, and even those lacking the special education that makes a Patent Examiner, Professor, Scientist, still have the useful mental process.

This type of thinking has some established social usefulness.

We turn vauge thought into clearly defined thought, based on research and focus. Most types cannot exclude the rest of the world from their thought process. We have narrow focus down to an art form.

In the world in general there are two sides to every story. On WP there seem to be at least eight. Well debated subjects, it is more of a circle. We surround and isolate thoughts. This trait is not seen on general web comments, there it stops at two sides.

The answer to any problem comes from clearly defining the problem. Properly stated, the answer can be found in the problem.

We have the functions of Science, we isolate and define.
We have the functions of higher education, we state the knowledge in understandable terms.
We have the function of a Patent Examiner, drawing a line between the known and unknown.

For a few dollars more we will speculate on the future.

I could do that... you mean to create an Aspie futurist thinktank? So, a private discussion room online which the members could log on to and discuss all the factors, maybe divided into subsections to map out several potential futures. You think aspies will be better at understanding all the factors at work and using that to work out what may happen? A sort of crowdsourcing project for aspies, almost?

If you can produce it and prove that it has better accuracy than other such thinktanks, then...

Yes, then World Conquest, the right way, by providing leadership.

As far as I can tell no one is in the business, because no one would hire the raw material.

A recent example is IBM firing a mass of techs in the 70s, who when offered their jobs back a few years later turned it down, because as a loose network of geek, they were launching the personal computer era.

Gates crew in Arizona are freaky by my standards. I have them, they are low, but I do have them.

The Dotcom bust showed it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for venture capital to enter the electonic frontier.

This is not coal or steel, friends in Congress do not help. Ideas run the future, and nothing has the power of an idea who's time has come.

First off, learning everything about an interest, We are naturals.

Having the best view, being know it alls, is the starting point for new applications.

Since customers would not want to know everything, they can buy a report on what they think they want. The rest goes whole into our data banks for later studies.

I do Patent Searches. First I do want to know if the Prior Art has come up with the same idea. It is by field, related, I learn from the work of others, which helps me define what is New Knowledge, which is required to get a Patent. A secondary study shows the progression of knowledge, Patents Issued, which does have a direction. It can be seen what direction the field is moving, then project where it is going, and what is out there to discover.

It helps to keep up with developments in the materials fields, but combining what could be done with the materials, and the history of products, leaves just needing the Engineers to make it.

IBM had the PC, 8mb, small harddrive, when they fired the geeks. They took each part and made it better, something IBM Accountants would not fund, and drove development to produce a useful and improving product.

IBM was a real company, making a few small computers for their business customers, they missed the personal toy factor of the computer, and thought they might sell a thousand.

The same happened in auto about 1950s, when drag strips and dirt tracks started up, ported, polished, overbored, used big carbs, and the sport done by weekend racers then drove the industry. It left the track and became The Little Deuce Coupe. Then it turned into production cars with muscle, Cameros.

DARPAs vision of a distributed network for many users never considered RPGs, Porn, and the other things that make the Internet great.

The NSA worries about terrorists, because they were told to, but is blind to the danger of minority Meyers-Briggs Types taking over the Hive Mind. For all the good it would do them, I would sell them a study on it.

The difference of thought and perception is because some parts of our brains are overclocked. For other Types to do the same, they have to overclock the whole system, then they are called Tweakers.

We are moving faster, or the future is coming faster, and only some types can adapt. A lack of social and myth dependantcy, a focus on what is, and could be, is what drives the wheel.

Where others burn out, autistics are deeply involved in their hobbies and special interests, and are happy when being themselves.

Life is creative destruction, old ideas fade, new ones take their place. They in turn are replaced, and the rate of change is increasing. It is such a differance that specialists are needed.

Our time has come.

I would ask if there are any factors that would advance the above concepts, or factors that are currently holding them back.

I doubt it will surprise anyone who reads this thread that I think that the lack of an offline location is one of the major factors that is holding the above concepts back.

I don't think we're going to get an offline location until we have enough people who want one close enough to each other. Or unless someone who is successful from something else builds one. Alas, Gareth and Amy never did make that semi-permanent retreat. I still think it would have a shot though.

I don't think we can, or should, wait for some neurotypicals to help out Autists, though, because that just sends the message that Autists are incapable of achieving anything to help themselves.

I'm not so sure the first (or second) limiting factor is individuals living near each other, I really think it comes down to having a geographically-independent income stream, or individuals who can secure employment in the surrounding area. If enough there are enough interested individuals, the numbers start to work out, and from there it's a matter of expanding income streams.

I happen to believe the required number of individuals is lower than most previous proposals believed, which would make for an interesting discussion in it's own right.

As for the retreat proposal, I think that had more to do with red tape and the limits of the local real estate market than anything else. If I was in the UK, I surely would have been interested.

I think something along the lines of AspieBURG is quite key to the Neurodiversity concept, since it (among a great many other things) demolishes a great many myths.