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04 Oct 2019, 1:14 pm

My current pdoc is far more amiable than others I have had . He acts in a friendly but professional manner . He obviously has something the others lacked as he didn't give short shrift to my bringing up the question of autism like previous mental health professionals had.



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04 Oct 2019, 4:04 pm

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The above is one of many differences between autistic brains and NT brains that I've seen mentioned in scientific literature.

Be that as it may, if the above is indeed a significant cause of autism, it implies that a total "cure" is not even theoretically possible, short of some extremely revolutionary scientific breakthrough in brain science in general (not just autism in particular).

Moving all those stray nerve cells belatedly into the grey matter area would be extremely difficult if not impossible to do at all, let alone do it without disturbing/damaging already-existing connections between the nerve cells already there in the grey matter.

Moreover, if such radical and extensive brain re-wiring were ever to become possible, it would raise all manner of ethical questions for society as a whole.

Frankly I don't see how it would be possible at all at any point in the foreseeable future. In short: Regardless of whether you personally want a total "cure" or not, it is clearly a pipe dream, at least within the lifetime of anyone living today, even if billions more dollars were to be poured down that rabbit hold.


It’s much more than a marker its almost certainly the cause of autism the way its presented and evidenced from multiple highly credible sources.

It just takes time for science to reach an official consensus. Obviously, the cause of the Neuronal migration problem is unknown. But it looks like the beginning of the end of “natural difference” theory along with silly comedy statements like “we`re all on the spectrum”, or so & so celeb thinks he`s autistic blah blah blah, so autism can be taken seriously as a life limiting pathology again.

While it might seem impossible now, given the recent advancements made in neuro science its not impossible that in the not too distant future treatments will be available.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 124518.htm

https://www.biospace.com/article/new-re ... ged-brain/

The following youtube video explains the theory in more detail & later how TMS therapy from reputable sources can reduce anxiety & improve symptoms in autistic people, it looks like it’s been endorsed by the well known John Robison 40.25.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCMzRMzi6oA

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitn ... -emotions/

Finally the ND movement may have overlooked the law of unintended consequences in its desire to have autism given "special untouchable status". Such a thing would lead to a de facto split in how humans are viewed.

Such a split wouldn’t be equal. Let’s say 98% of the population are NT and 2% are ASD, almost nobody who's NT would want to be autistic but a substantial number of autistics would want to be NT. A bit like no US citizens want to live in Afghanistan but plenty of Afghans (not all) would gladly move to the US.

So, you would have a numerically superior group looking down on the 2% as inferior humans as a de facto biological underclass! What would be the consequence of this? Would we be treated better? Would we be given equal treatment? Would schools bother educating us to our full potential? Would we be more likely to attract a partner /friends? Or more likely would we be left to rot?

History gives us a clue on this kind of thing with the Indian caste system, it’s not much fun being one of the Dalits at the bottom class from what I understand, those from the other higher castes are forbidden to marry them and are reluctant have anything to do with them. They tend to get the worst jobs in society too.

The thing is Eugenics works both ways positive in helping humans be the best they can be and negative isolating and persecuting the outclass group by herding them into one big group where they will simply be discriminated against.

ND worries about positive Eugenics while being blindsided into drifting into the negative territory.

Looks like out of the frying pan and into the fire. Personally I`d rather be considered a normal human with a medical condition not a member of a de facto genetic underclass.

Be careful what you wish for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-18394914


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04 Oct 2019, 4:41 pm

The intelligent approach would be to improve the things people on the spectrum struggle with , rather than adopt a broad 'cure' approach that doesn't distinguish between the positive and negative effects of being on the spectrum .



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04 Oct 2019, 6:05 pm

carlos55 wrote:
Such a split wouldn’t be equal. Let’s say 98% of the population are NT and 2% are ASD, almost nobody who's NT would want to be autistic but a substantial number of autistics would want to be NT. A bit like no US citizens want to live in Afghanistan but plenty of Afghans (not all) would gladly move to the US.

Whether it was called, autism, brain damaged or mental cripple has it not always been that way for small minorities? Recently other groups have made things less bad via advocacy altering perceptions to a less negative and yes and even positive. If we chose to go back to defining autism as horrifying pathology or science proves that it is, why would one expect the mistreatment not to ratchet up to the way it was? Unless masochism is an unknown autistic trait why do so many autistics voluntarily forgo benefits of more positive view that other groups have?


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