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09 Aug 2009, 3:21 pm

This is a thread for forum members to share biographical research on people who have made significant contributions to NTWorld and who have characteristics associated with autism/aspergers.

Please comment AND/OR contribute biographies!

Enjoy!

PS I have a personal interst in where the successful aspie was educated: home or school? Public or private school? In what country?

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09 Aug 2009, 3:26 pm

What diagnosis would you give this child?

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The Biography of Thomas Edison
By Gerald Beals Copyright © 1999 All Rights Reserved

"... Thomas Edison was more responsible than any one else for creating the modern world .... No one did more to shape the physical/cultural makeup of present day civilization.... Accordingly, he was the most influential figure of the millennium...."
The Heroes Of The Age: Electricity And Man



Surprisingly, little "Al" Edison, who was the last of seven children in his family, did not learn to talk until he was almost four years of age. Immediately thereafter, he began pleading with every adult he met to explain the workings of just about everything he encountered. If they said they didn't know, he would look them straight in the eye with his deeply set and vibrant blue-green eyes and ask them "Why?" (http://www.thomasedison.com/biography.html)



Mrs. Goodbody, Tommy’s 1st-grade teacher shared:
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At age seven - after spending 12 weeks in a noisy one-room schoolhouse with 38 other students of ll ages - Tom's overworked and short tempered teacher finally lost his patience with the child's persistent questioning and seemingly self centered behavior. Noting that Tom's forehead was unusually broad and his head was considerably larger than average, he made no secret of his belief that the hyperactive youngster's brains were "addled" or scrambled (http://www.thomasedison.com/biography.html).”


Photo illustrating Edison's large skull circumference:

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Instead, when his beloved mother - whom he recalled "was the making of me... [because] she was always so true and so sure of me... And always made me feel I had someone to live for and must not disappoint." - became aware of the situation, she promptly withdrew him from school and began to "home-teach" him. Not surprisingly, she was convinced her son's slightly unusual demeanor and physical appearance were merely outward signs of his remarkable intelligence. (http://www.thomasedison.com/biography.html)


When completing the Vineland II, Nikola Tesla shared,

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"He had no hobby, cared for no sort of amusement of any kind and lived in utter disregard of the most elementary rules of hygiene" and that, "His method was inefficient in the extreme, for an immense ground had to be covered to get anything at all unless blind chance intervened and, at first, I was almost a sorry witness of his doings, knowing that just a little theory and calculation would have saved him 90% of the labour. But he had a veritable contempt for book learning and mathematical knowledge, trusting himself entirely to his inventor's instinct and practical American sense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison)."


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09 Aug 2009, 7:44 pm

Did you know that Thomas Edison was dyslexic?



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09 Aug 2009, 10:41 pm

Amedeo Avagadro, Tyler Bingham, Renato Curcio, Gottlieb Daimler, Thomas Edison, Michael Faraday, Luigi Galvani, Charles Martin Hall, Igor (Dr Frankenstein's assistant ), Jesus, Immanuel Kant, Lindsay Lohan, Madonna, Paul Gottleib Nitkow, Oprah, Sofia Perovskaya, Q from Star Trek The Next Generation, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, Mary Surratt, Ralph Teetor, Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, Alessandro Volta, William Walker, Xerxes, Francis Parker Yockey, Warren Zevon.



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14 Aug 2009, 2:57 pm

I never thought Q from Star Trek would be considered an Aspie. Hard to say, because he's an alien. And also because he considers himself omnipotent and above human emotions and what he considers flaws.



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15 Aug 2009, 12:50 am

velodog wrote:
Amedeo Avagadro, Tyler Bingham, Renato Curcio, Gottlieb Daimler, Thomas Edison, Michael Faraday, Luigi Galvani, Charles Martin Hall, Igor (Dr Frankenstein's assistant ), Jesus, Immanuel Kant, Lindsay Lohan, Madonna, Paul Gottleib Nitkow, Oprah, Sofia Perovskaya, Q from Star Trek The Next Generation, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, Mary Surratt, Ralph Teetor, Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, Alessandro Volta, William Walker, Xerxes, Francis Parker Yockey, Warren Zevon.


Impressive list, velodog. is there anyway I could talk you into choosing one person from the list and sharing why you think s/he is aspie... (pretty please)?


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15 Aug 2009, 9:59 am

The Wikipedia entry on Nikola Tesla. I also recommend looking further into Tesla's life, particularly during the period when he first moved from Croatia to the US.


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15 Aug 2009, 1:57 pm

DeaconBlues wrote:
The Wikipedia entry on Nikola Tesla. I also recommend looking further into Tesla's life, particularly during the period when he first moved from Croatia to the US.


Thanks Deacon Blues!

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Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
(C) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interest or achievements with other people, (e.g.. by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
(D) lack of social or emotional reciprocity


http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Biographies/TeslaBio.htm wrote:
Tesla shunned physical contact with other people, with a special aversion to touching hair. To avoid shaking hands with people he met, he lied that he had injured his hands in a laboratory accident. He apparently never took part in a romantic relationship of any kind. A female acquaintance who grew enamored of Tesla reportedly once took the initiative to kiss him, causing the startled inventor to flee in agony.


Image Tesla at age 38


DSM IV wrote:
(II) Restricted repetitive & stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

(A) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla wrote:



Tesla engaged in reading many works, memorizing complete books, supposedly having a photographic During his early life, Tesla was stricken with illness time and time again. He suffered a peculiar affliction in which blinding flashes of light would appear before his eyes, often accompanied by hallucinations. Much of the time the visions were linked to a word or idea he might have come across; just by hearing the name of an item, he would involuntarily envision it in realistic detail. Modern-day synesthetes report similar symptoms. Tesla would visualize an invention in his brain with extreme precision, including all dimensions, before moving to the construction stage; a technique sometimes known as picture thinking. He typically did not make drawings by hand, instead just conceiving all ideas with his mind. Tesla also often had flashbacks to events that had happened previously in his life; this began to happen during childhood.[22]


http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Biographies/TeslaBio.htm wrote:
Tesla asserted that it was not until he reached adulthood that he discovered he was an inventor. He discounted his early years as a time of undisciplined impulses, entirely lacking focus. But he did invent a wide array of creations and schemes as a child. The young Tesla created a remarkable machine powered by another natural energy source: June bugs (or, as Europeans call them, May bugs). He glued sixteen of the live insects to the blades of a small windmill-like structure, and they set the rotor spinning vigorously in their vain attempt to fly away.


[quote=”DSM IV”]
(III) The disturbance causes clinically significant impairments in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla wrote:

Tesla's fame rivaled that of any other inventor or scientist in history or popular culture,[5] but due to his eccentric personality and his seemingly unbelievable and sometimes bizarre claims about possible scientific and technological developments, Tesla was ultimately ostracized and regarded as a mad scientist.[6][7]


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15 Aug 2009, 7:55 pm

There is some speculation that Henry Cavendish the discoverer of Hydrogen and discoverer/measurer of
the Gravitational Constant ( which defines the relationship of mass and density to gravitational strength) was autistic or
Had Asperger's syndrome.

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.....Cavendish was silent, and solitary, viewed as somewhat eccentric, and formed no close personal relationships outside his family. By one account, Cavendish had a back staircase added to his house in order to avoid encountering his housekeeper because he was especially shy of women. The contemporary accounts of his personality have led some modern commentators, such as Oliver Sacks, to speculate that he had Asperger syndrome, though he may merely have been painfully shy. His only social outlet was the Royal Society Club, whose members dined together before weekly meetings. Cavendish seldom missed these meetings, and was profoundly respected by his contemporaries. However his shyness made those who "sought his views... speak as if into vacancy. If their remarks were...worthy, they might receive a mumbled reply." He also enjoyed collecting fine furniture exemplified by his purchase of a set of "ten inlaid satinwood chairs with matching cabriole legged sofa" documented to have been acquired by Cavendish himself.......


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21 Aug 2009, 8:30 am

I don't like speculating about Aspies in history, because their society was so much more different from ours. In the past, social competencen was less valued in employment etc. because most people were laborers or farmers rather than human service professionals as they are now, and universities emphasized massive gathering of knowledge far over getting along. Also, society was much less fast-paced and much less laden with massive amounts of stimuli and information in every corner. Estein, Newton, and all other suspected Aspies in history, wouldn't have coped if they'd lived today.



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21 Aug 2009, 11:51 pm

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I don't like speculating about Aspies in history, because their society was so much more different from ours. In the past, social competencen was less valued in employment etc. because most people were laborers or farmers rather than human service professionals as they are now, and universities emphasized massive gathering of knowledge far over getting along. Also, society was much less fast-paced and much less laden with massive amounts of stimuli and information in every corner. Estein, Newton, and all other suspected Aspies in history, wouldn't have coped if they'd lived today.


You are spot on, ChangelingGirl. Reading these profiles gives pause to the theory that the aspie mind is an extremely valuable variant. How do we continue to encourage future “Einsteins,” “Newtons,” & “Agnesis”?

“Experts” now see us as a broken people who need fixing or annihilation. Trying to stamp out autism, aborting autistic fetuses, inhibiting narrowly focused interests, etc. is especially a mistake at a time we need some serious breakthroughs in order to heal our damaged planet.

We need to be described in the DSM and other literature by our strengths, and valued for them as we are supported in our deficits (i.e. reverse the current trend). Autism experts should start looking into how we need to be supported (and your list of now/then differences is a start) so that we can use our minds to best advantage. We can learn from history.

Thanks for contributing some good info on ways to encourage us, ChangelingGirl.


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26 Aug 2009, 6:45 pm

Awiddershinlife wrote:
What diagnosis would you give this child?

Quote:
The Biography of Thomas Edison
By Gerald Beals Copyright © 1999 All Rights Reserved

"... Thomas Edison was more responsible than any one else for creating the modern world .... No one did more to shape the physical/cultural makeup of present day civilization.... Accordingly, he was the most influential figure of the millennium...."
The Heroes Of The Age: Electricity And Man



Surprisingly, little "Al" Edison, who was the last of seven children in his family, did not learn to talk until he was almost four years of age. Immediately thereafter, he began pleading with every adult he met to explain the workings of just about everything he encountered. If they said they didn't know, he would look them straight in the eye with his deeply set and vibrant blue-green eyes and ask them "Why?" (http://www.thomasedison.com/biography.html)



Mrs. Goodbody, Tommy’s 1st-grade teacher shared:
Quote:
At age seven - after spending 12 weeks in a noisy one-room schoolhouse with 38 other students of ll ages - Tom's overworked and short tempered teacher finally lost his patience with the child's persistent questioning and seemingly self centered behavior. Noting that Tom's forehead was unusually broad and his head was considerably larger than average, he made no secret of his belief that the hyperactive youngster's brains were "addled" or scrambled (http://www.thomasedison.com/biography.html).”


Photo illustrating Edison's large skull circumference:

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Quote:
Instead, when his beloved mother - whom he recalled "was the making of me... [because] she was always so true and so sure of me... And always made me feel I had someone to live for and must not disappoint." - became aware of the situation, she promptly withdrew him from school and began to "home-teach" him. Not surprisingly, she was convinced her son's slightly unusual demeanor and physical appearance were merely outward signs of his remarkable intelligence. (http://www.thomasedison.com/biography.html)


When completing the Vineland II, Nikola Tesla shared,

Quote:
"He had no hobby, cared for no sort of amusement of any kind and lived in utter disregard of the most elementary rules of hygiene" and that, "His method was inefficient in the extreme, for an immense ground had to be covered to get anything at all unless blind chance intervened and, at first, I was almost a sorry witness of his doings, knowing that just a little theory and calculation would have saved him 90% of the labour. But he had a veritable contempt for book learning and mathematical knowledge, trusting himself entirely to his inventor's instinct and practical American sense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison)."


Well, Edison seem with his curiosity been a "gifted" child. Nothing hint me for asperger though... That he looked in the people eyes make also lose points to the idea he has aspie. Nikola Tesla seem more likely, he was weird that's for sure. Cavendish could had been asperger, or just shy...
There is Paul Dirac who is quite likely to had been a asperger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dirac



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26 Aug 2009, 9:52 pm

Tollorin wrote:
Well, Edison seem with his curiosity been a "gifted" child. Nothing hint me for asperger though... That he looked in the people eyes make also lose points to the idea he has aspie. Nikola Tesla seem more likely, he was weird that's for sure. Cavendish could had been asperger, or just shy...
There is Paul Dirac who is quite likely to had been a asperger.


Agreed. All one has to do to know this for certain is to read about how Edison manipulated the AC/DC controversy, claiming that AC was a threat, read about the non-synchronous power generator fiasco and the icing on the cake is to read about the situation with hanging electric wires in the streets and exteriors of the second and third floors of New York buildings that caused deaths and electrocutions that were covered up and blamed on competitors whose business he threatened when they tried to get him to clean up his act.

Edison was a master manipulator, avoiding creditors by hiding in closets. He was not an Aspie IMHO. Not to tarnish him further, but it is now common knowledge that the first sound recording was originally done by a Frenchman, that Edison knew this all along but kept it hid, much like he did with the Lumiere Brothers and cinematography.