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KyleClark
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21 Sep 2012, 8:35 pm

http://freestateproject.org/
http://freestateproject.org/101Reasons

I am thinking about joining it, because my passion is libertarianism and I would love to connect to people who share my ideas and passions. I have a only couple friends here and most of my family has disbanded and a community of activism and shared beliefs sounds like a good start, I have always been a loner and I think this will help me meet new friends with people I have a common goal with.

Any other Apsie libertarians think they would be interested?



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22 Sep 2012, 2:19 am

I have heard of it (mostly on Free Talk Live when it used to be on the local talk station), but found quite a few issues with it. Mostly, my issue is that the two states bandied about in it have no access to an ocean harbor. So, it would be impossible to have it be an independent country should there be a decision to secede. Plus, it would still be under the thumb of the Federal government, which could override anything the state wished to do. Of the two possible states, New Hampshire and (I think) Wyoming, I find Wyoming the most tempting. It has a large land mass and low population density and most people live lives of self sufficiency with little need of government. Plus, there is even a movement afoot there to eliminate property taxes. This would mean that you could live without having to pay rent to the government to keep your property. Thus, if you could set yourself up for self-sufficiency, then you could live off your land for the rest of your days without needing to engage in any economic activity (in theory). Even still, there are problems. The biggest one is that the growing season in this part of the country is very short. Thus, you could only realistically garden for a few months out of the year. The rest of the time would depend on hunting and living off of food you canned during the growing season. It can be done, but it's a hard life.

For an idea of just how hard it would be, see if you can find the PBS series "Frontier House". It was a reality show in which 3 modern families were put on a plot of land and had to live like homesteaders from 1877. If it wasn't available in Wyoming in 1877, they could not have it. None of them were able to store enough food and firewood for the winter and all would have perished had they chosen to stay.

I would suggest to the moderators that this topic be moved to the political section as it has nothing to do with autistic issues.


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22 Sep 2012, 7:48 am

They have tried to do this many times. However Libertarians are dymb and wouldent be able to hold a country together. Let them do it and fight over crumbs on some island!



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22 Sep 2012, 11:45 pm

outofplace wrote:
I have heard of it (mostly on Free Talk Live when it used to be on the local talk station), but found quite a few issues with it. Mostly, my issue is that the two states bandied about in it have no access to an ocean harbor. So, it would be impossible to have it be an independent country should there be a decision to secede. Plus, it would still be under the thumb of the Federal government, which could override anything the state wished to do. Of the two possible states, New Hampshire and (I think) Wyoming, I find Wyoming the most tempting. It has a large land mass and low population density and most people live lives of self sufficiency with little need of government. Plus, there is even a movement afoot there to eliminate property taxes. This would mean that you could live without having to pay rent to the government to keep your property. Thus, if you could set yourself up for self-sufficiency, then you could live off your land for the rest of your days without needing to engage in any economic activity (in theory). Even still, there are problems. The biggest one is that the growing season in this part of the country is very short. Thus, you could only realistically garden for a few months out of the year. The rest of the time would depend on hunting and living off of food you canned during the growing season. It can be done, but it's a hard life.

For an idea of just how hard it would be, see if you can find the PBS series "Frontier House". It was a reality show in which 3 modern families were put on a plot of land and had to live like homesteaders from 1877. If it wasn't available in Wyoming in 1877, they could not have it. None of them were able to store enough food and firewood for the winter and all would have perished had they chosen to stay.

I would suggest to the moderators that this topic be moved to the political section as it has nothing to do with autistic issues.


Nobody is expecting perfection or a hunter-gather society, but the core idea is to have the closest thing to a libertarian society humanly possible, to show the rest of this nation and the world there is a choice. Actions are stronger than words and Libertarians like myself are ready for action. Property taxes in New Hampshire are not going anywhere, they fund local governments which is really were all the government revenue comes from besides I believe a 5% dividend tax.



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23 Sep 2012, 8:45 am

This movement started gathering signatures in 2002 and still hasn't managed to get 20,000 over the course of a decade despite there being no legal obligations involved.

Once there the movement, held together by their love of freedom will attempt to band together and assert their collective will over the 1,300,000 residents of New Hampshire.

Good luck with that.